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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2008.10.06 17:40:00 -
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We’ve had a number of Dev blogs recently regarding infrastructure improvements, such as StacklessIO and EVE64. But what does this all mean for Tranquility? Mindstar has written a new blog post detailing the results and gives some insight into future improvements.
You may read about it here.
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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BlackHorizon
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.06 17:44:00 -
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<3 Mindstar
Keep up the good work!
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.06 17:50:00 -
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mmm server ****.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:01:00 -
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Sexy! 
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blh 42
Exotic Dancers Club
Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:09:00 -
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I heard that the EVE cluster should be listed on the Top 500 list but never found it. Would someone be able to provide a link to the correct cluster?
http://blh.scorpionshops.com/blh42_sign.gif
http://sigs.griefwatch.net/phpbbsig.php/h4xx/argentblue/blh 42.jpg
Please only use one image in your signature and make sure that it adheres to the 24000 byte filesize limit -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Moon Kitten on 06/10/2008 18:31:10
How do we know you won't leak the location to the enemy?
As per the Player Guide on this website
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TREAT EVERYONE AS HOSTILE unless you know otherwise, i.e. if you don't know someone as a friend or acquaintance assume they are planning to kill you and watch them at all times.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:27:00 -
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Very interesting last paragraph, I wonder how this is going to play out. The news about the new blades is very welcome though, I can't wait until all of TQ has been upgraded!
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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mechtech
Deep Space Productions
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:31:00 -
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Shouldn't you wait for Nehalem to come out?
Those processors are about 50% faster in server based applications.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:42:00 -
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This whole project is a testament to the fact that CCP is a game developer and not just money-grubbing executives that the rest of the MMO-industry seems to be made of. No other company would set a goal like "eliminate all lag", it's simply considered an acceptable evil and they just buy more a few more booths to house their players.
CCP, I applaud you. Not for setting insane goals, but for finding solutions to problems that some turn a blind eye to.
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Kerdrak
3B Legio IX
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:43:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? 
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mindstar
my node was equipped with the following...
</eve>
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech
Shouldn't you wait for Nehalem to come out?
Those processors are about 50% faster in server based applications.
This is an interesting question, and one we have talked with our suppliers at length about. Essentially, it comes down to the fact that the Nehalem will not be running at speeds that will be useful for EVE until late next year. It is true that Nehalem makes some good advances in for server applications, however the nature of the current EVE process being mostly single threaded means that going with higher clock speeds and less cores gives us a much greater performance gain.
In the future we may be able to better utilise the Nehalem (or some subsequent technology), however for what EVE needs at this point, we really can't find something that tops the Wolfdale.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ishina Fel on 06/10/2008 19:01:36
Yeah, the EVE server needs clock speed, clock speed, clock speed!
In fact - did you know that even today, 95% of all home computer applications run faster on a high-clocked dual-core than they do on a lower-clocked quadcore? Hardly anything uses multiple cores, and even less really need it. The hardware industry is way way ahead of the OS and software industry in this matter.
So yeah, once those Wolfdales start to roll in... OC them to 4GHz and try an armageddon day, see how many people you can cram into Jita and DD at the same time without the node dying 
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OV Marius
Gallente
Core Antum
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:03:00 -
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Really great stuff
Good to see you guys are still working hard on delivering a playable game experience.
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DogTyred
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:07:00 -
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Although I applaud the efforts to improve server performance, I can't help feeling that somthing needs to be done to modify the game mechanics that requires 700 pilots to attack a system held by 500 + titans.
Once you get the servers capable of dealing with 1000-1200 players in a single fight you just know you are going to have us trying to squeeze in 2000 instead. I have no idea how you deal with that.
The notion of mailing a dev to get a system reinforced prior to a fight is interesting, There will be musch use of misdirection I'm sure and the losing side is almost certain to shout devsploit with many tears in caod.
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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:16:00 -
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Do you seriously thing that anyone is going to report a fleet battle that they are going to have 24 hours in advance when there are know players of this game working for CCP? there should be a more secure method so this only sees the eyes of People in CCP that don't play on Tranquility.
A GM isn't really someone that should be seeing these kinds of things.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:20:00 -
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Interesting...
Fail at you guys being stuck on single cores, though. I can only imagine what EvE would be like on a 3Ghz quad-core.
~Solo
Hoist The Colors. (CEO)
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ishina Fel on 06/10/2008 19:26:10
Originally by: Solomon XI
Fail at you guys being stuck on single cores, though. I can only imagine what EvE would be like on a 3Ghz quad-core.
Linkage This thread might interest you. It has reasons for the single thread stuff and all. So yeah, Devs can also only imagine what EVE would be like on a quadcore 
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Moon Kitten on 06/10/2008 19:38:40
Since there is a limited amount of Intel Xeon 3.0Ghz Woodcrest blades there is a possibility that players will abuse this system. Scarcity of resources and so forth.
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You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
- Would it violate the EULA to petition to reinforce a system that you would intentionally would avoid in order to create a misdirection for your opponents?
- Players could petition several decoy systems and/or real target systems in order to deny their opponents the use of the faster blade computers. This would force their opponent to either use less players, not attack at all or if they attack cause node crashes and lag.
- Players could also potentially do the above and at the same time ask to have a real target system reinforced. In essence grabbing all the fast servers for themselves.
- Players could also potentially petition to reinforce several systems that they know will be empty in order to use up all the Intel Xeon 3.0Ghz Woodcrest blades in order to ensure lag for their real destination.
- How will you ensure that the Intel Xeon 3.0Ghz Woodcrest blades are distributed fairly among the players and systems? If the answer is yes then will it be on a first come, first serve basis?
- Will you stop players from abusing this system?
I would hope and prefer if CCP dealt with the rules regarding use and abuse of this system before the system is abused rather than after.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: DogTyred
Once you get the servers capable of dealing with 1000-1200 players in a single fight you just know you are going to have us trying to squeeze in 2000 instead. I have no idea how you deal with that.
Well, theoretically, once they hit 15,000 vs. 15,000, that's the peak (users logged in) number in a typical day, so they can call it done with cause there aren't going to be more people than that in the fight.
As far as waiting for a faster processor, you're not thinking fourth-dimensionally: they don't wait, they just upgrade 10% of their machines immediately, and when the next better processor hits, they'll upgrade another 10%, and so on. They aren't upgrading the whole datacenter at once.
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:42:00 -
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To clarify the fleet fight notifications.
When we receive a petition indicating that there is likely to be a fleet fight in a certain place, at a certain time - this will be escalated to the Virtual World Administration team (we are the guys that run the EVE Cluster itself). During the next day at downtime, we will look at all available information and decide based on that as to which systems we will allocate onto this hardware. Things such as current conflicts - what areas have been "hot" in the last few days and weeks.
It should be clarified that this is not a way to simply "ask and ye shall receive a dedicated node". It is a way of telling the people that make the decisions that you are planning something. In short - we are listening if you wish to tell us there will be a big fight. If we can, we will make sure it is running on the best hardware it can.
If you are worried about people abusing this system of notification, please understand that we have ensured both the lead Game Masters and Internal Affairs have been involved in every step of this process. Every petition and any action (such as putting a certain system on a dedicated sol server) is under their watchful eye.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Moon Kitten
Stuff.
I'd guess that their answer to any of these exploits is to watch the node where the fight ends up taking place, let it crash, and then move it to the 3 GHz blade as soon as it crashes. Players on both sides of the fight will experience a brief downtime, but it's their fault, they reported the wrong system.
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Jags
Minmatar
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:49:00 -
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Why not look at POS coming out of reinforced + is it in a station system as being one of your guidlines apart from petitions.
Apart from that excellent dev blog , cant beat a bit of server ****.
BTW are you guys using IBM kit ? was having an interesting discussion with one of their dudes a wee while back about eve
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Vorononv Circut
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Aprudena Gist
Do you seriously thing that anyone is going to report a fleet battle that they are going to have 24 hours in advance when there are know players of this game working for CCP? there should be a more secure method so this only sees the eyes of People in CCP that don't play on Tranquility.
A GM isn't really someone that should be seeing these kinds of things.
This. Without good policy details there's no way a large alliance (only people that would need to report a 250+ fleet) would trust you enough to report future encounters.
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Siepie
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 20:03:00 -
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I love these technical dev blogs 
Good work so far xD
Keep em coming.
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Danny Centurai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.06 20:15:00 -
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Great read and itÆs nice to see that the $$$'s CCP is being invested in all the right places, not just CCP staff beer allowance for fanfest. I have only one small concern; and this is with which systems will be dedicated hardware to improve performance. Right now this is at a rather crude level, sort of like monkeys with hammers there is just so much that could go wrong.
This is an awesome start guys at CCP, but start looking into ways of automating the system. Would be great to have a feature where only the CEOÆs of corporations can request a node to be dedicated for a fleet fight. They put in a request and the system name and then small program adds up all the numbers to see where resources should be dedicated.
So for example being a NC member imagine every RAWR and RZR corporation CEO says we are going to M-O for pewpew today; along with that every BOB and Axiom CEO say we are making a stand in our mighty fortress of M-O and tonightÆs the night! However down the road TRI have decided to go pewpew our mighty IRON allies, but oh noes Goonswarm have come to help out the NC. All the corporations CEOÆs have said where they think they are going to pewpew and bam simple spreadsheet magic a list of priority systems is formed. This then <insert real techie knowledge here> reallocates hardware as a pre-emptive measure for the up and coming fights.
This system means several things:
-No one can claim Dev intervention, this covers CCPÆs ass!
-There is a system that can be understood and is open for everyone to see.
-If your whole alliance isnÆt going to show for an op you can self regulate by getting only so many ceoÆs to say they are going to fight in x,y,z system.
-Allows for multiple battlefronts within the same alliance/coalition.
-DevÆs can blame lack of hardware if something goes wrong, something we know they are doing something about.
-Did I mention that itÆs hard to claim Dev intervention?
Things this system doesnÆt allow for:
-General conflict zones having increased hardware.
-A large alliance doing something stupid and dedicating resources to somewhere it isnÆt needed.
-Probably more stuffs.
-My limited technical knowledge.
What could also be put in place is a region/constellation standby report, something like ok we know BOB are going to invade Tribute but we donÆt know where they will hit next. This would mean DevÆs monitoring Tribute and doing their wizardry if necessary, this is open to some omg dev intervention comments but its then at the alliances discretion do we want things monitoring or do we want it to remain 100% secret.
Automation is the future! (the question is: Is it possible now?) Also on a side note automation doesnÆt count as copy pasting stuck petition replies. ;)
Much love for all the great work at CCP, looking forward to a less laggy future.
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DogTyred
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.06 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Danny Centurai
What could also be put in place is a region/constellation standby report, something like ok we know BOB are going to invade Tribute but we donÆt know where they will hit next. This would mean DevÆs monitoring Tribute and doing their wizardry if necessary, this is open to some omg dev intervention comments but its then at the alliances discretion do we want things monitoring or do we want it to remain 100% secret.
Damm caod said we're going to Fountain
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Danny Centurai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.06 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: DogTyred
Originally by: Danny Centurai
What could also be put in place is a region/constellation standby report, something like ok we know BOB are going to invade Tribute but we donÆt know where they will hit next. This would mean DevÆs monitoring Tribute and doing their wizardry if necessary, this is open to some omg dev intervention comments but its then at the alliances discretion do we want things monitoring or do we want it to remain 100% secret.
Damm caod said we're going to Fountain
I honestly can't believe you managed to read my whole post and get far enough to quote this bit. Thanks for sticking with me dude.
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Derdre Esme
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Posted - 2008.10.06 21:04:00 -
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"If you are worried about people abusing this system of notification, please understand that we have ensured both the lead Game Masters and Internal Affairs have been involved in every step of this process. Every petition and any action (such as putting a certain system on a dedicated sol server) is under their watchful eye."
And how you control MSN ? amongt other means to contact ppl anonymously , this is a dangerous move to say the less
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.10.06 21:08:00 -
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Quote:
Over the last weekend, the GM's did not receive a single "Stuck Character" petition from Jita!
this is the best part of the whole blog :)
So wait are you going to use the new CPUs on every blade or just the super blades?
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