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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 04:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Luke Lor'aul
Also, CVA used mercs to take down UNITY.
Is that what they're telling folks these days? Wowee.
Butter Dog got it right. It was a long, messy campaign. I don't know if it was so much a matter of CVA wanting it more than U'K...or rather all the alliances arrayed on the CVA side wanting it more than all the alliances arrayed on the U'K side. At the outset of our invasion of 9uy in particular, we were facing supercaps at a time when we had none, as well as the likes of 0utbreak and Establishment. At the end of the campaign, those folks fell by the wayside (mostly because they had gotten what they wanted: lots of CVA-and-friends killmails) and those with a vested interested in lowly Providence hung about with CVA. Ushra'khan was indeed badly outmanned at that point.
There's no real need for smack for sure...that better not have been a CVA alt a few posts above. When we speak on forums, it better be in a tone that doesn't need to be hidden behind an alt.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Those days, Hardin actually helped UK (secretly) by hunting said pirates in their lowsec points and camping the pipes for us.
Oh we made no secret of it 
The issue was one of roleplay style. I have always felt, and always preached, that roleplay MUST have meaning. There is no difference between roleplay and nonroleplay organizations. If CVA loses a fight, it's not because we are lolrpers...it's because we were outfought. If Ushra'Khan retained its space, it should've been through better planning and fighting, not because CVA decided to pat them on the head and say "you're smaller, but for the sake of roleplay we're gonna let you live." That's horrible roleplay. The conflict between loyalists and terrorists is bitter and no-holds-barred. There's no reason to ever hold back.
Ushra'Khan didn't hold back...they had some of the best pvp organizations in the game helping 'em out at the beginning of the 9uy seige. We didn't hold back...we brought our allies as well.
If we lost rp credibility for playing hard and fast and not making our "roleplay" some jokey little slapfest where everybody's alive and okay at the end of the day and nothing ever changes...then it's credibility we didn't want or need, to be honest. That's seriously the silliest thing I've heard...that we don't have credibility as roleplayers because we made our roleplay actually matter.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
I don't want to play CAOD tit-for-tat with you, but CVA started it. Before a shot was fired you brought along all the Providence residents and you had no idea Outbreak or Evoke were going to get involved. There was no 'plan' to involve them at all, but without their intervention the seige would have lasted as long as the reinforced timers.
You're arguing a point that doesn't matter. There's no accusation being levied here. Of course CVA started it...it was us seiging them. That has to start with us.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
You made the point that you brought all of the non-RP allies because UK brought everything to the table, so you had to. That was the clear implication. That is incorrect. You set the tone. You made the call.
I see what you mean.
You're wrong: U'K brought in the Providence community by expanding their target selection on their patrols beyond CVA. This, again, was good roleplay: "neutral" targets operating inside CVA space make realistic targets for folks roleplaying terrorists. It was a good dynamic rp move for U'K to make.
But as with anything in Eve, it had consequences: it became the Providence community's interest to see U'K lose their powerbase in Providence. Hence their involvement. It was not random, it was not a bunch of outsiders. It was victims of U'K actions who helped us remove them from Providence.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
UK maintained NRDS until they lost 9UY to you. How do I remember this? Because they forced my corp to practice NRDS in Providence as a condition of our docking rights.
Not sayin' they weren't NRDS. They just set people in CVA space red I guess. If it was terribly relevant years after the fact, I suppose I could dig up plenty of threads from Providence neutrals telling U'K to take their roleplay somewhere else or IGS threads where PIE and CVA condemned U'K's attacks in Providence and Amarr space against targets deemed to be slaver sympathizers...
These discussions really never get anywhere, though, because the feelings are too strong for whatever reason...and then folks such as yourself who have been around the conflict only from the time of the perceived wrong onward claim to have better knowledge than those who have been around the conflict from years beforehand.
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