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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:18:00 -
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From someone beginning in the field of ECM (and has taken a liking to it very quickly)
Assume that you are in a Blackbird with Tech II jammers...
I have been told 3 multispecs on target gives a 90% chance of jamming. I suspect that maybe 2 multiĘs and 1 race specific may be better, but I am not entirely sure at this point.
I would like a second opinion on this, and some clarification. Also, could I expect a BB to be at all effective against a ship fitted with ECCM?
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:24:00 -
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Wow, I'm far from the most knowledgable in ECM and it's mechanics, but I can tell you this, the figure you've recieved is pretty much useless.
What happens is this, the strength of the first jammer you activate is compared to the strength of the opponent, if yours is stronger he's jammed if it's less there's a chance he'll be jammed, equal to the comparisson between your strength and his.
So even if the 90% figure is true to SOME target somewhere, it's not a generic figure you can base anything on. ECCM drops you to about half effectiveness per jammer, by doubling the opponents strength.
Yes, racials will always be more effective than multispectrals if you're using the right one for your opponent. That is all.
Parrots, commence!
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DubanFP
Caldari
Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:37:00 -
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Like he said about that number being useless. The likelyhood of you jamming someone is "Your jam strength / Their Sensor Strength". If you have 6 jam strength and they have 12 sensor stregnth 6/12 is 1/2 or 50% chance of jam.
Additional jammers do not stack. So if 1 jam gives you a 50% chance 2 jammers will give you two chances of 50% to jam. What's 50% of 50% ".5 * .5"? 25%. So they wind up with a 25% chance of not being jammed. You may also notice the use of racial jammers. A minmitar jammer may look to have double the strength but that becomes exponentially more efficient.
say a multispec has 6 strength, racial 12, and your enemy sensor is at 13.
Multispec: 6/13 "slightly less then half"
Racial: 12/13 "nearly 100%".
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:48:00 -
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OK I think I get it now...
ECM's are like just like salvaging scanners on a wreck. Thx...
So 2 racial will always be better then 3 multi, or perhaps even 1 racial and 2 multi? Is that a correct?
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
OK I think I get it now...
ECM's are like just like salvaging scanners on a wreck. Thx...
So 2 racial will always be better then 3 multi, or perhaps even 1 racial and 2 multi? Is that a correct?
In theory 1 racial can be better than 8 multis, 2 multis can be better than 1 racial.
Parrots, commence!
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DubanFP
Caldari
Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
So 2 racial will always be better then 3 multi, or perhaps even 1 racial and 2 multi? Is that a correct?
Nothing is definate because of the endless combinations of ECM, ECCM, and sensor strength. A Raven for example has 22 gravimetric "caldari sensor type" strength while a rupture has 12 Ladar "minmitar sensor type" strength.
A single gravimetric jammer will beat out a multispec against the Caldari ship but the multispec "being equally efficient across all types" is much more efficent against the Minmitar ship. Again a 12 gravimetric strength will have a 6/11ths chance against the Raven, but the 6 multispec just a 3/11ths of a chance.
There's too many variables and multispecs aren't completely outclassed by their racial counterparts, but generally speaking a mix of racials will fair better in a gang then all multispec.
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Eternum Praetorian
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:15:00 -
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Nothing is definate because of the endless combinations of ECM, ECCM, and sensor strength. A Raven for example has 22 gravimetric "caldari sensor type" strength while a rupture has 12 Ladar "minmitar sensor type" strength.
I gather that
What I mean is on a ship of a single race with a given sensor strength (for simplicities sake).
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DubanFP
Caldari
Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
I gather that
What I mean is on a ship of a single race with a given sensor strength (for simplicities sake).
In that case yes, but I wouldn't count on that being the case. You're ignoring too much.
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Eternum Praetorian
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 08/10/2008 14:45:03
Just trying to put my finger on the basics....which I think I have. So thank you.
Blackbird fits anyone?
The one I am playing with goes like:
Meds: 1 (of each racial jam) and 2 multi specs.
Low: 2 signal distortion amps.
Not sure if its really worth it to put much in the high's at this point. It is after all disposable and has no DPS.
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Multimorph
Gallente
NailorTech Industries
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 08/10/2008 14:45:03
Just trying to put my finger on the basics....which I think I have. So thank you.
Blackbird fits anyone?
The one I am playing with goes like:
Meds: 1 (of each racial jam) and 2 multi specs.
Low: 2 signal distortion amps.
Not sure if its really worth it to put much in the high's at this point. It is after all disposable and has no DPS.
Thats how I fit my blackbirds:
Lows:
2x Signal Distortion Amplifier
Mids:
1x Sensor Booster (both Scripts, change if needed)
1x Microwarpdrive (10mn)
4x Racial Jammer (usually one of each race)
Highs;
Nothing.
Mostly, i did not use tech-2 stuff but the second best named versions. They are a lot cheaper and Blackbirds will explode a lot.
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