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Michiko Kat Sterling
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.01 15:26:00 -
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Call me uninformed but your leader was just a leader of a small percentage of people who play this game. Your interests do not in any way shape or form represent Eve in it's entirety. If it were more people in high sec would be in null, as such your motives are purely geared towards your own enjoyment and not for the rest of the gaming population of eve.
I don't go to null sec because that is how I see the sandbox of Eve to be, and why the hell would I want somebody who cant even hold his drink tell me what to do and how to play and enjoy. Mittens must be a democrat. |
Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.01 16:46:00 -
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I don't go to null sec because that is how I see the sandbox of Eve to be, and why the hell would I want somebody who cant even hold his drink tell me what to do and how to play and enjoy. Mittens must be a democrat.[/quote]
I bet he doesn't care who you marry or who you have sex with. That's a republican obsession.
disclaimer: I did not just bite on this bait. I didn't respond. This is just what I would have said if I did.
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:58:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:oops I did it too
Look
There were two incredible public learning moments. First, we watched the alliance presentation where we saw a player beg and beg to be left alone. Then after the presentation, speaker went on to call for players to finish this guy off in RL by continuing to grief him in game.
That is the conversation you need to have.
What is griefing? Why are you doing it? Do you see how this affects your RL behavior now?
We watched on film how ingame behavior leaks out into RL. FREE him? He's in RL as tho that is a prison and he is being kept from his REAL life in EVE?
The lines are really blurry. That you should consider.
And, do I need to point out that you all feel a little bit of what you have been handing out? And now you going to just step it up?
What is this? EVE jihad? Take the 30 days and reflect...that is what the 30 ban is for. I suggest a course correction, but I don't expect it. Good luck with this convo
what is greifing?
This is a game about blowing up spaceships. Give it, its a bad joke to make about trolling a flunky though suicide (that broke the line, where as other people causing mayham limited mainly to the game).
Are people who blow up capitals and jump freighters and capitals going to stop because someones feelings will get hurt. |
bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
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Posted - 2012.04.01 22:13:00 -
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Funny founder of Hulkegeddons banned for DIF comment yet Mitts gets 30 days and you guys act like hes being beaten on... Good thing theres Goon devs then aint it... Talk about a slap on the wrist its pathtic they are so biased... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.02 01:27:00 -
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Pisov viet wrote:Gloomy Gus wrote:It is tough being a goon these days. The common goons have largely lost faith in The Mittani, and rarely log in anymore. Dear Leader's current battles with the directorate are legendary, and now I hear the corp wallet has gone missing,. I hear there's a term for what I'm seeing but I can't remember it I heard you guys spent the week end losing fleets after fleets to abaddons and archons, never able to reinforce any structure. Yeah, taking Raiden. space is a total failure. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.02 02:38:00 -
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[quote=Sephiroth CloneIIV][quote=Coda Grimoire]oops I did it to
Loo
There were two incredible public learning moments. First, we watched the alliance presentation where we saw a player beg and beg to be left alone. Then after the presentation, speaker went on to call for players to finish this guy off in RL by continuing to grief him in game
That is the conversation you need to have
What is griefing? Why are you doing it? Do you see how this affects your RL behavior now
We watched on film how ingame behavior leaks out into RL. FREE him? He's in RL as tho that is a prison and he is being kept from his REAL life in EVE
The lines are really blurry. That you should consider
And, do I need to point out that you all feel a little bit of what you have been handing out? And now you going to just step it up
What is this? EVE jihad? Take the 30 days and reflect...that is what the 30 ban is for. I suggest a course correction, but I don't expect it. Good luck with this convo[/quote
what is greifing
This is a game about blowing up spaceships. Give it, its a bad joke to make about trolling a flunky though suicide (that broke the line, where as other people causing mayham limited mainly to the game)
Are people who blow up capitals and jump freighters and capitals going to stop because someones feelings will get hurt.[/quote
I have said before
Historically, games have been the place to teach teamwork, respect, honor, sportsmanship, etc. Games demanded you leave your griefer stuff off the playing field. Thousands of years
Now video games have turned that around. 'We know how to be civilized. Screw that. Let's get funky.
The problem is that being a great person in RL and a savage sadist in the game clearly can get you a big wakeup call on film in public. *shudder
I get that honor and stuff are not your thing. What is puzzling is the hostility toward people who are still using the sportsmanship they learned as kids and growing up. We still expect our professional teams to be honorable
To the point: killing unarmed ships is not only morally offensive to some players, but in my opinion this is the last stop in leaving honor behind. This level of sadism was the stage for the tragedy of calling for a suicide in real life, using the game to send him there
Everyone knows what griefing is and everyone knows where the line is between competitive fighting and personal attacks
I saw a Goon suggest that the ice-field exploitation was a mistake. I agree. (I notice killing barges is up a bit today .)
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Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.02 02:53:00 -
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sorry that post was technical fail
P.S. There are plenty of miners who are sick in bed, dying, with blood pressure problems, emotional problems...all who love the game and feel they are part of the community and contributing by their mining. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.02 03:21:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote: To the point: killing unarmed ships is not only morally offensive to some players, but in my opinion this is the last stop in leaving honor behind.
Ohh, ~e-honoure~
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.02 03:30:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Coda Grimoire wrote: To the point: killing unarmed ships is not only morally offensive to some players, but in my opinion this is the last stop in leaving honor behind.
Ohh, ~e-honoure~
you don't have to choose honor, I'm just amazed by the hatred of it.
Too hard? LOL
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.02 06:29:00 -
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Since when does a zombie herd need leadership? Just dangle a fresh peice of meat in front of them and they zerg... Asking them to plan is just too complicated. |
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Mallak Azaria
Dominus Nex Angelus
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Posted - 2012.04.02 07:56:00 -
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Gloomy Gus wrote:He seemed popular enough at the polls
With out Mittens at the helm of CSM, EVE will become a boring carebear haven. I shudder to think of what will happen this year. |
Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.02 14:02:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Gloomy Gus wrote:He seemed popular enough at the polls With out Mittens at the helm of CSM, EVE will become a boring carebear haven. I shudder to think of what will happen this year.
AHA!! Here we are people. We have arrived.
carebear, the not-so-new N-word.
You bored, bro? Is it your gameplay that is boring you? Oh no, it must be my fault. I took the EVE personality test and scored PVE Extraordinaire. Hmmm, let's see. My 1942 Webster's dictionary defines sadism as a secksual prevershun. Not surprised that you fear being bored. : )
I'm okay with being called a carebear. I'm not bored either. heh.
Nothing personal to you, but you did drop the carebear word. We are just as bad. Some of us call you a**holes. \o/
EVE: One World, One War!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.02 23:52:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Gloomy Gus wrote:He seemed popular enough at the polls With out Mittens at the helm of CSM, EVE will become a boring carebear haven. I shudder to think of what will happen this year. I wouldn't worry quite so much. Internet Spaceships Democracy is not yet in need of a regime change.
It'll not degenerate into endless mining and clothes, despite what certain people might enjoy.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2012.04.03 18:00:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:sorry that post was technical fail
P.S. There are plenty of miners who are sick in bed, dying, with blood pressure problems, emotional problems...all who love the game and feel they are part of the community and contributing by their mining.
i think this deserves more discussion and attention. This is an aspect that I don't think has occurred to many of my brethren, what are your feelings regarding this? Can you expound? "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |
Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:35:00 -
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Thank you for hearing
This gets tricky, doesn't it
Suicide ganking mining barges is allowed. I'm guessing that was not expected. I'm guessing the personal/emotional attacks were never expected to reach the moment they did at the fanfest presentation
So there is the issue of personal harassment and sadistic behavior. I'm not in any position to act on that
What I am doing is crying out, and standing up for the player who is on some kind of medical equipment, or half blind, or epileptic, or you name it
I would ask you to consider where such amazing, but limping members of our community can comfortably play in EVE
Goons say "nowhere". But the truth is that many miners do everything in the game and when it is time to pew pew pew, they get their crap together and go kill something. Maybe they can't get it together every day. Maybe no pvp at all
It would be great if nothing but a barge could even get into an ice field (hello, whoever has sovereignty over an ice field). That would be akin to keeping kids from bringing guns to school. But I'm not asking for that
I'm not really asking for anything. Who could ever have wished or planned or hoped for what happened? It's incredibly painful
You have been handed this moment to yourselves from yourselves. What I hope is that goon leadership have a discussion about how they affect the gaming and personal lives of their members. We know what it did to mittens
If people want and need leaders in this game, what do they get in return? They are following the example you set
What is your goal? Some say it is to destroy the game. glw
Eve is not advertised as a "SUPER SADO/MASOCHISTIC TERRORIST SPACE GAME FOR TEENS
If you have a goal that requires fighting, then fight. What kind of goal is "licking your tears?" Why do that to people who are already ill and crying and maybe hanging on; and enjoy mining so they can have some social experience? You have dehumanized players. In doing so, you have dehumanized yourselves before all of EVE
But hey! You get to. \o/
Thank you for letting me try to help. I hope I can.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.04 02:25:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:It would be great if nothing but a barge could even get into an ice field (hello, whoever has sovereignty over an ice field). That would be akin to keeping kids from bringing guns to school. But I'm not asking for that Excellent idea. Even with CONCORD in belt, they still can't stop that big alpha strike suicide gank.
There's no reason for tornados to the mining anyway. You shouldn't discount such an idea, I think many miners would approve of it, should you bring it before the omnipotent police (CCP, of course, CONCORD is just a game mechanic)
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:10:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:
If you have a goal that requires fighting, then fight. What kind of goal is "licking your tears?" Why do that to people who are already ill and crying and maybe hanging on; and enjoy mining so they can have some social experience? You have dehumanized players. In doing so, you have dehumanized yourselves before all of EVE
But hey! You get to. \o/
Thank you for letting me try to help. I hope I can.
You maybe heard about thing called Psychological Warfare,and while it may surprise you this is one of strongest weapons in eve,and griefing is in fact nothing else than it,even more,its not only strong but quite universal,it makes us both feared (which is offensive quality of weapon) and hated (which is defensive,because it makes our bonds towards our community stronger,while weakens the possible bonds toward rest of eve).Futhermore,you can think about ganking and griefing as about some kind of ritual of maturity within our community,because it makes that person identified with CFC culture.
As you see griefing is not some kind of perversion or social dysfuncitonal behaviour,but rational choice,both in sociological and defense scale,which im not sure of mining,because it lacks any social functions. |
Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:46:00 -
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Psychological warfare? Okay, you wish to be feared and hated. Okay. Fine with me.
The question is this: why did your leader get so lulled by the lulz of griefing that he called for using your ingame psychological warfare to get this guy to off himself in real life?
That is is the issue.
That is the question: do ingame leaders have any responsibility for the human mental hygiene of their members? Are your members cannon fodder? Didn't this psychological warfare cut down your leader? Are you committing psychological warfare on yourselves?
And nice try. Sadism is sadism. That is the tool you choose to call psychological warfare. Fine with me.
How's that working out for you?
I'm raising the question. I don't have the answer...well unless you think the Golden Rule is viable. Some of us do.
"EVE: Our Dress Rehearsal for the Future, Should Humanity Survive." I'm quoting myself.
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:52:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:Psychological warfare? Okay, you wish to be feared and hated. Okay. Fine with me. The question is this: why did your leader get so lulled by the lulz of griefing that he called for using your ingame psychological warfare to get this guy to off himself in real life? That is is the issue. That is the question: do ingame leaders have any responsibility for the human mental hygiene of their members? Are your members cannon fodder? Didn't this psychological warfare cut down your leader? Are you committing psychological warfare on yourselves? And nice try. Sadism is sadism. That is the tool you choose to call psychological warfare. Fine with me. How's that working out for you? I'm raising the question. I don't have the answer...well unless you think the Golden Rule is viable. Some of us do. "EVE: Our Dress Rehearsal for the Future, Should Humanity Survive." I'm quoting myself.
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Mikaella Storm
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:50:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:Psychological warfare? Okay, you wish to be feared and hated. Okay. Fine with me. The question is this: why did your leader get so lulled by the lulz of griefing that he called for using your ingame psychological warfare to get this guy to off himself in real life? That is is the issue. That is the question: do ingame leaders have any responsibility for the human mental hygiene of their members? Are your members cannon fodder? Didn't this psychological warfare cut down your leader? Are you committing psychological warfare on yourselves? And nice try. Sadism is sadism. That is the tool you choose to call psychological warfare. Fine with me. How's that working out for you? I'm raising the question. I don't have the answer...well unless you think the Golden Rule is viable. Some of us do. "EVE: Our Dress Rehearsal for the Future, Should Humanity Survive." I'm quoting myself.
Surrely the only answer to anything in this forum is that if a player commits a slip, he should kill himself.
If for anything else, because some members of the comunity wont stop harassing the man even after all the steps taken to remedy the situation.
Its interesting that some people that call other griefers are social griaefers themselves in this forum, but are blind to it out of arrogance and self entitlelment to the truth. |
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Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:52:00 -
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my dictionary says sadism is taking joy in causing someone else to suffer.
You went for the sexual arousal, I didn't. Apparently there are various degrees. lol
You say you are using this tactic to gain fear and hatred in the game.
You say under the guise of psychological warfare you are using griefing, or "licking tears" but that is not who you really are?
I'll bite. Who are you really?
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:42:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:my dictionary says sadism is taking joy in causing someone else to suffer.
You went for the sexual arousal, I didn't. Apparently there are various degrees. lol
You say you are using this tactic to gain fear and hatred in the game.
You say under the guise of psychological warfare you are using griefing, or "licking tears" but that is not who you really are?
I'll bite. Who are you really?
It wasnt,me it was the definition of sadistic personality disorder,which is think what is usually described as sadism...
I wont tell you,because honestly,i dont want my gf to recieve life-threats,my dog poisoned,or some pubbie to call to my job and claim that i am not working an i play eve instead of it (do you remind it something?and you claim that WE are pathologic?). But i can tell you what i am not.
I am not space immortal space pilot contributing in giant conflict in north side of another galaxy,i dont fly fastest spaceships on the world,i dont tackle people and dont restrain them from warping away.
Edit:And you know what?I am perfectly happy with it... |
Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:00:00 -
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Good answer...thanks
You are correct about one thing...this is an internal goon affair going forward.
My gut feeling is that there noone is doing any happy dance (well not for more than a nanosecond) over what happened.
Game play and real life do mix, are we still riding the hobby horse that says it doesn't? All hearts are going out . You may not realize it, but all of the community is solidly behind goons in your intent to enjoy the game. Any one of us could have done this. I believe that.
Thank you all for letting me try to nudge the issue of tactics.
I accept that the old rules of sportsmanship are not gone, but not present.
I want this to be a win-win.
And off I go, like a herd of turtles.
This was my first real visit to the forums. I am encouraged!!
Byeeeee!! |
Cosmic Fart
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:27:00 -
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Well... good news!
I had not logged on or even visited the forums since the CSMs were announced. Today is the first I've cared to log on and to my surprise and pleasure I see someone has resigned! Hooray for EVE!
Guess I'll start playing more now. (Snoopy-Dance)
I'm happy happy joy joy! |
Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
12
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:58:00 -
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P.S. I saw this remark and I did some real digging around and self reflection.
"What saddens me is the fact that you,in opposite to average cfc member,and our leaders clearly cant tell the difference between game and real life"
This is psychological warfare, the griefing is griefing.
There is no line. There is real life and you are bringing yourself to whatever you are paying attention to.
The opinion is that there is no real life and game life, just life.
Your plea that there is a difference and gaming is somehow some secret no-holds-barred magic kingdom is a lie.
Maybe you can get away with stuff in a game you can't get away with in RL...oh wait...we just sat that happen.
You are pleading a false construct.
Okay, ta ta and thank you for prompting me to settle the issue for myself. ROCK ON!!!
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SeaBassSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:17:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:P.S. I saw this remark and I did some real digging around and self reflection.
"What saddens me is the fact that you,in opposite to average cfc member,and our leaders clearly cant tell the difference between game and real life"
This is psychological warfare, the griefing is griefing.
There is no line. There is real life and you are bringing yourself to whatever you are paying attention to.
The opinion is that there is no real life and game life, just life.
Your plea that there is a difference and gaming is somehow some secret no-holds-barred magic kingdom is a lie.
Maybe you can get away with stuff in a game you can't get away with in RL...oh wait...we just sat that happen.
You are pleading a false construct.
Okay, ta ta and thank you for prompting me to settle the issue for myself. ROCK ON!!!
Well, I guess I'm happy for you for doing whatever it is you have done. Shine on you crazy diamond, shine on. |
Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
12
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:03:00 -
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: ) thanks.
I just finally realized that this false construct of game vs real life is truly your psychological warfare, player on player and metagaming CCP.
Hell the whole world has bought this idea of two different worlds...
I'M FREE!!!
I bought this for some five years in EVE.
I have to give you credit for brainwashing your members and a bunch of EVE itself.
I'm FREE!!!! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:01:00 -
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Coda Grimoire wrote:: ) thanks.
I just finally realized that this false construct of game vs real life is truly your psychological warfare, player on player and metagaming CCP.
Hell the whole world has bought this idea of two different worlds...
I'M FREE!!!
I bought this for some five years in EVE.
I have to give you credit for brainwashing your members and a bunch of EVE itself.
I'm FREE!!!! Wait you really believe that eve is real? In that case i will let you live in new eden,but i rest my point and i will still prefer Prague over Jita...
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Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:27:00 -
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Brace yourself, dood. Ready?
EVE is real.
ooOOooOOoo Prague \o/ How nice that Frank Zappa inspired the downfall of 40 years of Communist rule in your country.
Hmmmm...could there be the same kind of wakeup call in EVE as there was in Prague in the velvet revolution?
Screw the Cult of Eternal Suffering!! EVE is real! Come out into the sun! Let's dance!!
Every game is real and real people play them...really.
[url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRNleKBDCNw[/url] |
luav
a associacao dos Smurfs imundo
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:16:00 -
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hey, dudes, it' s a ******* game
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