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Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.10 02:05:00 - [91] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Letifer Deus For the record, I never said transversal. 250m/s velocity doesn't not necessarily mean 250 m/s transversal. Hmm, my mistake - but chances are they're not going to be headed directly towards you so you can count on a very non-trival amount of transversal. At any rate, did you enjoy the thread once you got into it? -Liang I haven't read more than the third page. WTs showed up in local, then dinner. And yes, I doubt a target would purposely give you low transversal. However, it also doesn't mean you have to allow them 250 (or more, for that matter). 9 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.10 02:10:00 - [92] Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Letifer Deus For the record, I never said transversal. 250m/s velocity doesn't not necessarily mean 250 m/s transversal. Hmm, my mistake - but chances are they're not going to be headed directly towards you so you can count on a very non-trival amount of transversal. At any rate, did you enjoy the thread once you got into it? -Liang I haven't read more than the third page. WTs showed up in local, then dinner. And yes, I doubt a target would purposely give you low transversal. However, it also doesn't mean you have to allow them 250 (or more, for that matter). 9 ;-) True enough... but only a fool plans for anything better than the worst case. Of course, my friends always call me the world's biggest pessimist.... At any rate, the last half of the thread is far more interesting than the first. Even still, the whole thing is very much worth reading for anyone flies blaster ships. It's a whole different game once the patch comes through - in good ways and bad. The problem is that (from a Gallente/Minmatar perspective) there's alot more bad than good. -Liang --
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.10 02:37:00 - [93] Originally by: Liang Nuren ;-) True enough... but only a fool plans for anything better than the worst case. Of course, my friends always call me the world's biggest pessimist.... At any rate, the last half of the thread is far more interesting than the first. Even still, the whole thing is very much worth reading for anyone flies blaster ships. It's a whole different game once the patch comes through - in good ways and bad. The problem is that (from a Gallente/Minmatar perspective) there's alot more bad than good. -Liang Well, if you're planning for the worst you should be planning for more than 250 trans. =P I generally plan for a little better than the average. I consider myself to be above average in piloting skill, so I go halfway between. =P ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.10 02:47:00 - [94] Originally by: Letifer Deus Well, if you're planning for the worst you should be planning for more than 250 trans. =P I generally plan for a little better than the average. I consider myself to be above average in piloting skill, so I go halfway between. =P Yeah, that's more of a realistic way to look at it, and in the end I usually end up having to cut corners based on the likelihood of something happening... but if it's at all possible I like to not be surprised. ;-) -Liang
Hardtail Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.10 03:32:00 - [95] back to the era of the lazerthron then? >.>
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.10 03:45:00 - [96] Originally by: Hardtail back to the era of the lazerthron then? >.> Oh hellz no baby, we're back to cavalry ravens and gankageddons -Liang --
Hardtail Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.10 03:46:00 - [97] Ravens evaporating bses in one hugemongous volley and no dmg mod stacking Megapulse geddons? what else could a guy want lol
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.10 04:03:00 - [98] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 10/10/2008 04:02:57 Originally by: Hardtail Ravens evaporating bses in one hugemongous volley and no dmg mod stacking Megapulse geddons? what else could a guy want lol Well, I dunno, but I'm sure I could think of something. -Liang Ed: I know! I know! I want my Kessie to fire cruise missiles! --
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.10.10 13:46:00 - [99] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: whisk Originally by: Burn Mac webber drones they will act as the second web so the only thing you need to drop is the drones. ah, only 20% of my dps? sure thing! I don't think you have to give up all 5 heavy drones - maybe have 2 webbers and 3 ogres? I'll be honest, I have both blaster and missile skills, and I'm hard pressed to find a situation where I'd prefer my Rokh over my Raven for small gang pvp. I'd be happier with a blaster DEE PEE ESS boost. Just re-quoting myself about trading 2 of 5 large drones for webbing drones for a Mega. Sometimes I wish more than just 2-3 people would argue a point in these threads. If I'm in a situation with my blaster BS in web range of another BS, I usually align my ship in the same direction the hostile ship is anyways to minimize transversal. Seems this blaster issue will be most pronounced vs AB ships smaller than BC within web range - in which case my gang should have ships designed for dealing with them. Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.11 08:04:00 - [100] but, its not always about gangs, man.. I like to fight alone sometimes too.. ----- TCODA corporation is recruiting! TCODA is awesome!
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.10.11 08:21:00 - [101] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: whisk Originally by: Burn Mac webber drones they will act as the second web so the only thing you need to drop is the drones. ah, only 20% of my dps? sure thing! I don't think you have to give up all 5 heavy drones - maybe have 2 webbers and 3 ogres? I'll be honest, I have both blaster and missile skills, and I'm hard pressed to find a situation where I'd prefer my Rokh over my Raven for small gang pvp. I'd be happier with a blaster DEE PEE ESS boost. Just re-quoting myself about trading 2 of 5 large drones for webbing drones for a Mega. Sometimes I wish more than just 2-3 people would argue a point in these threads. If I'm in a situation with my blaster BS in web range of another BS, I usually align my ship in the same direction the hostile ship is anyways to minimize transversal. Seems this blaster issue will be most pronounced vs AB ships smaller than BC within web range - in which case my gang should have ships designed for dealing with them. Oh just trade away 2 heavy drones for webbers. Thats smart, just trade away the tiny dps advantage you get to even be competitive at your optimal range while still having a huge range disadvantage? Thats just stupid.
Jaffnar Borg	Posted - 2008.10.11 09:37:00 - [102] They should just increase Neutron Blasters optimal to 12 km. Would still be 50% of Pulse Lasers and would help a lot. And maybe replace the rep bonus of the hype with a web range bonus (10% per level). And while they at it, they could also replace the dam bonus of the mega with a optimal range bonus and increase the drone bay to 150 m¦. ^^
whisk Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:06:00 - [103] what blaster need to account for huge cap, and short range and now crappy tracking is TONS of damage...and i just dont see ccp doing it... Adapt or Die
Gavin Darklighter THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:29:00 - [104] Originally by: whisk what blaster need to account for huge cap, and short range and now crappy tracking is TONS of damage...and i just dont see ccp doing it... lol, if they did that, I wouldn't feel so bad for the tempest pilots anymore signature picture exceeds the size limit.~WeatherMan
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:39:00 - [105] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Hardtail back to the era of the lazerthron then? >.> Oh hellz no baby, we're back to cavalry ravens and gankageddons -Liang This is why I have amarr bs 5 and large energy turrets 5. Almost without fail, it seems, if gallente is crap, amarr is good. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:41:00 - [106] Originally by: Letifer Deus This is why I have amarr bs 5 and large energy turrets 5. Almost without fail, it seems, if gallente is crap, amarr is good. Crap is a bit strong of a word for TQ... but with the incoming speed "balancing", it may not be strong enough. Sigh. -Liang --
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.11 22:31:00 - [107] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Letifer Deus This is why I have amarr bs 5 and large energy turrets 5. Almost without fail, it seems, if gallente is crap, amarr is good. Crap is a bit strong of a word for TQ... but with the incoming speed "balancing", it may not be strong enough. Sigh. -Liang post "balancing" is what I am referring to. Oh well. I'll just start flying my "lolplates" pulse aba. 290K eff. HP is very fun. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"

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