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Wetumpka	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:52:00 - [1] The Giant Secure Container is not secure. If a player moves items into a GSC, names and password protects it, then trades it to another player either by contract or by direct trade the receiving player can empty the GSC by placing the container in his hanger and repackaging the GSC. This happened to me today I moved many items into a GSC in the Teshkat station. These items were put in a GSC in Teshkat and the GSC was contracted to another player. The contractee moved the GSC from his carrier to his station item space and clicked on the REPACKAGE key for the GSC, and the GSC promptly emptied itÆs contents in his station item space, he had the nerve to tell me what he did, just to rub salt into the wound. Is this an exploit (repackaging the GSC to get the contents) or just one more way to rip off people in the game? If the container is named, password protected or has items inside (like a ship), and LIKE A SHIP, it should not be able to be repackaged, The repackage option is not available in space(of course), and I found out that another player said that someone connected with EVE told him that this was not an exploit. Does "Secure Container" mean secure everywhere? If it doesn't the name needs to be changed. Maybe changed to "REPACKAGE TO OPEN" or "PASSWORD NOT NEEDED JUST REPACKAGE" OK now start flaming me for my stupidity. I lost a lot of costly items. I've been told "Sorry about your loss and hope you recover soon, have a nice day"
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:59:00 - [2] So, in other words, you were not setting your collateral high enough? Or was a cheapskate trying to get an expensive package transported cheap? The containers are secure WHEN ANCHORED. Nobody can break into them then. The other mechanic is for your benefit, ie. if you forget the password for a container in your hangar, or accidentally repackages a container, you get your items back. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:01:00 - [3] Giant Secure Container is secure. As long as it is anchored. I though that part was quite clear to people... Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Asestorian Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:13:00 - [4] The container is secure. However, the password is only one part of that. The other part is anchoring in space. What he did wasn't an exploit, you gave him the container yourself, even though one of the major parts of it's security is the anchoring, which means he wouldn't have been able to get it any other way. Also, just to correct you, a ship can be repackaged regardless of what is fitted on/contained within the ship. A ship cannot be repackaged if it is damaged, however. You can't repackage it in space, but you can't repackage a secure, anchored container in space either. It is a lesson learned, I hope, but there is nothing you can do about it now. --- Originally by: CCP Atropos Destiny Balls
Wetumpka	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:22:00 - [5] SO, change the name to "ONLY SECURE WHEN ANCHORED IN SPACE" Calling them Secure container is misleading as Hades.
McBrite Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Wetumpka SO, change the name to "ONLY SECURE WHEN ANCHORED IN SPACE" Calling them Secure container is misleading as Hades. What, and break with CCP's tradition of mislabeling everything, calling percent normal numbers and vice versa, having no descent item description anyway and generally misleading all players by not having ANY accessability or even rhyme/reason?
Wetumpka	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:32:00 - [7] Ok, Ok, somethings need labeling CORRECTLY, like "remove baby before folding baby carriage" or " CAUTION GLASS DOORS open before entering" But SECURE should mean SECURE!
spanky herman Viziam	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Wetumpka SO, change the name to "ONLY SECURE WHEN ANCHORED IN SPACE" Calling them Secure container is misleading as Hades. Isn't it easier to just change the definition of things - Wetumpka - /:noun:/ To use a partial understanding of mechanics and whine in internet space ship forums when some that understands mechanics uses them. Also see ~ setting collateral on courier contracts (:as in "do not be a wetumpka")
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.09 01:46:00 - [9] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 09/10/2008 01:50:23 First of all, how the hell did you even get into a situation where you gave someone a GSC full of stuff in such a way that they were able to do this? Think of a container hiding things as the big red button with the sign 'don't touch' next to it. You're just asking for trouble. Second, I think you are missing the point of secure containers. They are not for protecting things inside a station. As has been pointed out, they are for protecting things outside of a station (and for saying **** you to physics and risking the erasure of the universe). Hell as a noob I made a fortune running around scooping the things up all over Domain and reselling them. I suspect I even caused one of these types of threads back then when I scooped one that was sorta in use at the time. Last, try an audit log container next time if you insist on doing this ass backwards approach. I'm not sure the specifics on them but I've found they complain more when asked to return to packaged form (disobedient little bastards).
Moria	Posted - 2008.10.09 01:51:00 - [10] GSC passwords are only activate after it is anchored if traded in a station to another player it can be opned even without repackage. Audit containers while yes they retain there pasword even when traded but once the other character has possession he can just right click request password and eve sends it to him. So nothing is secure in eve inside the station.

DubanFP Caldari Kylia Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 01:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Cpt Branko Giant Secure Container is secure. As long as it is anchored. I though that part was quite clear to people... This --plus-- Lol. Op got owned for assuming something. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely and utterly outclassed.
Caledas Teller Gallente Teller Exploration and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:40:00 - [12] Don't intend to be mean but I haven't been playing more than a week and I knew that GSCs were only secure when anchored. I'm relatively sure that's explained in about 8 dozen places including in-game help. Consider it lesson learned, don't use or buy something until you know just how it works.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:37:00 - [13] Giant secure can. The only thing that makes sense in it's name is CAN. It is neither giant nor secure. I'd really love a real giant can that is 10,000m3 and like 15,000m3 inside or something. That would be more appropriate. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
Shin'Tor Varikior Minmatar Tactical Information Tribunal	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:48:00 - [14] Originally by: spanky herman Originally by: Wetumpka SO, change the name to "ONLY SECURE WHEN ANCHORED IN SPACE" Calling them Secure container is misleading as Hades. Isn't it easier to just change the definition of things - Wetumpka - /:noun:/ To use a partial understanding of mechanics and whine in internet space ship forums when some that understands mechanics uses them. Also see ~ setting collateral on courier contracts (:as in "do not be a wetumpka") /THREAD

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.10.09 06:44:00 - [15] Courier contracts ftw? Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar

Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:01:00 - [16] Just as a thought... You could take your GSC out into space, spend a little while shooting at it and give it some armour damage, that prevents it being repackaged... at least until it gets repaired... -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Doctor Remulak	Posted - 2008.10.09 14:40:00 - [17] I'm sure the game manual fully explains secure containers.
wdwjhdw	Posted - 2008.10.09 19:19:00 - [18] I would think that being listed under the heading "deployable equipment" would be enough insight.
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.10.09 20:02:00 - [19] Maybe a mission that requires the player to assemble and anchor a GSC in space should be included in the tutorial? At least it would be something different other than 'shoot this' or 'fly here' or 'mine that'. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.10.09 20:29:00 - [20] I thought you couldn't repackage a container if it's log has been used within 2 weeks. I also thought secure cans can be put into hangars and used as personal vaults with passwords. I can see where the op assumed it was secure, and I can see where he should get his items back. It's a misleading game mechanic that isn't properly explained. So yes, it was a mistake, and yes he should get items back. It's a game, it takes hard time and work to get items... situations like this are far from the normal scams. This is a real issue that needs clarification, and simply for that, his items need to be returned. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.

supr3m3justic3 Caldari Hakata Group	Posted - 2008.10.09 20:40:00 - [21] so sorta on topic to this.....i recently got the hacking skillz, and just wondering. can you hacking into the secure containers when they are anchored in space? I tried yesterday and it just keep telling me that the container needs the anchoring skill which i have that too?? __________________________________________________
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.09 20:46:00 - [22] Mistake? yes Get stuff back? Are you sure you're in the right forums? These are the forums for EVE Online. Maybe if CCP renamed them Secureonlywheninspaceandanchored Containers this problem would be solved. The thing I'm wondering still is why is this even an issue? Why was someone that was not trusted transporting a secure container full of stuff for someone? Why were the items not in courier wrap? I mean CCP doesn't need to change the damned things considering you really shouldn't run into a situation where a person you don't trust has access to the container to begin with.
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers Soldiers Of New Eve	Posted - 2008.10.09 21:16:00 - [23] I suggest you read the description of anything you plan to use. If CCP were to label things in such a long-winded way so as to help lazy people who can't read 5 lines of text in a description, then everyone'd need wider monitors. IE: Warp Core Stabilizer or Warp Core Stabilizer which is only really effective if you want to move through systems and not get warp scrambled because it gimps your locking speed and range, so don't use them for PVP, also fill your lows with them because some people use multiple scramblers or you might run into more than one person with a scrambler. Watch out for Heavy Interdictors though because they can perma-scram you! I know which one shouldn't be the item label. Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.10.09 21:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Pithecanthropus I thought you couldn't repackage a container if it's log has been used within 2 weeks. That would be some kind of audit log container, GSC are not that kind of can. Originally by: Pithecanthropus I also thought secure cans can be put into hangars and used as personal vaults with passwords. That would be a Station Container or Station Vault. You know, the audit log cans that are too big to fit in a ship. Originally by: Pithecanthropus I can see where the op assumed it was secure, and I can see where he should get his items back. It's a misleading game mechanic that isn't properly explained. Never, ever assume anything or you make an ass out of u and somebody else. He shouldn't get his items reimbursed any more than a noob who loses a hauler in low sec should get it reimbursed coz he didn't know what low sec is. RTFM -- The future is Black. Brace for Impact!
randomname4me	Posted - 2008.10.09 21:54:00 - [25] Edited by: randomname4me on 09/10/2008 21:54:45 Originally by: Irongut RTFM That would work if the manual wasn't written by drunken Icelandic guys with no economy. EVE Online: Rated RRR- For Explicit Breakfast Piercing Bullets.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.09 22:08:00 - [26] this game is for darwinism... the problem will sort it self out... if your lesson has been learned then challenge complete, please move to queue 2 where it ninja salvaging and the possible not exploits of those pesky devils. if you havent learned your lesson.. you will do in time or your wallet will become very very small carebears are flying pinyatas
DNSBLACK Gallente Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:42:00 - [27] LLOOOOLLLLOOLLL Man you are one dumb arsh i see you havnt gotten any better at this game can i have your stuff
Bull Frog Amarr Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:46:00 - [28] Wow.... Just ...wow. Were the GSC's blues the same as your blues? Or did you rant incoherently at it for being a spy? Your signature has been proven to be the cause of node crashes and immense lag. -Kreul Intentions
Eigof Tahr Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:52:00 - [29] Edited by: Eigof Tahr on 10/10/2008 00:54:18 This thread delivers. I agree, rename them as: "Wetumpka proof container". Everyone else can repackage them to access contents, but him... Then make "Giant Secure (Wetumpka Secure) Container" where no one can open it after locking it. Edit: In before the lock.
Graic	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:59:00 - [30] A silly mistake - I feel for poor old Wetumpka a bit. But getting screwed is a part of the EVE universe.



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