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Keren Dahl
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Posted - 2008.10.10 14:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Maglorre
Not quite. We are discussing the practice of extending the aggression timer without the victim being aware of it by shooting at his wrecks.
Maglorre's correct.
That was my main concern (other than that I couldn't get there to assist in the PVP, but that was my own fault / clone jump timer). I won't judge whether scanning down mission runners and ninja-salvaging is ethical... Since I run missions and sometimes probe scan people down for giggles (though I pretty much don't loot the cans -- where's the challenge in PVPing someone set up for PVE? ).
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Buyus Stuffius
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Posted - 2008.10.11 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Buyus Stuffius on 11/10/2008 02:46:13
Originally by: Keren Dahl
Originally by: Maglorre
Not quite. We are discussing the practice of extending the aggression timer without the victim being aware of it by shooting at his wrecks.
Maglorre's correct.
That was my main concern (other than that I couldn't get there to assist in the PVP, but that was my own fault / clone jump timer). I won't judge whether scanning down mission runners and ninja-salvaging is ethical... Since I run missions and sometimes probe scan people down for giggles (though I pretty much don't loot the cans -- where's the challenge in PVPing someone set up for PVE? ).
the linked post was all about shooting pilot and cans BEFORE player logs off. this trick is done while the player is still logged on and it does not stop the player from dissapearing in space. two very different tricks. and its not about the challenge, its about one very simple thing. money....and lulz...and maybe more tears to fuel my ship. i still dont see any official word on this. even the other trick i would argue against being an exploit since its normally a low/null sec trick and is done well within game mechanics. if you want to be ure you cant be agressed before logging, log in your own space or know where everyone is in that system.
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Moya81
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Posted - 2008.10.11 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Keren Dahl
Edited by: Keren Dahl on 09/10/2008 00:50:39
Do I understand this right?
If I ninja salvage someone, they shoot and then dock up...
I can prolong our flags by shooting cans --
And they won't see it anymore?
Their flag ticks away --
But they're still fair game?
The timer will be updated for both parties but it may take up to 30 secs time to update for the aggressor, depending on lag situation in the system this is taking place in.
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Buyus Stuffius
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Posted - 2008.10.11 21:26:00 -
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for both, really. lag can make it take a lil, or it will happen right away. the best bet for the person trying to kill the mission runner is to do it when theres very little time left. also, if the person who is being hunted leaves system, it clears aggression...kind of. see, the hunter can keep attacking a wreak or can (until it dissipates of course) but they can ONLY attack the person in that system then, if the original aggression timer has run out. the person being hunted and leave and come back later and still be killed. i ought to be given some money for all this info. most people dont get the full intricacies of the aggression system like this.
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Ryyn Echita
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Posted - 2008.10.11 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Buyus Stuffius
Edited by: Buyus Stuffius on 11/10/2008 02:46:13
the linked post was all about shooting pilot and cans BEFORE player logs off. this trick is done while the player is still logged on and it does not stop the player from dissapearing in space. two very different tricks. and its not about the challenge, its about one very simple thing. money....and lulz...and maybe more tears to fuel my ship. i still dont see any official word on this. even the other trick i would argue against being an exploit since its normally a low/null sec trick and is done well within game mechanics. if you want to be ure you cant be agressed before logging, log in your own space or know where everyone is in that system.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:43:00 - [11]
If you are talking about shooting his containers or wrecks to cause agression, then no, it is not allowed. This is an exploit and it will be fixed ASAP.
If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Seems pretty black and white to me. Shooting player is legit. Shooting anything else to prolong aggression, not so much.
Sure you may try to argue the reference to logging out, however I highly doubt you will be able to support an arguement which states you can exploit(stated by a Dev) an aggression timer on a person logging out and doing to the same to a person docked or otherwise untouched is not the same thing.
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Jeesa
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Posted - 2008.10.12 14:40:00 -
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CCP Jiekon:
"If you are talking about shooting his containers or wrecks to cause agression, then no, it is not allowed. This is an exploit and it will be fixed ASAP."
this is 1.5 years ago.
If this is "ASAP", i cant imagine what it will be if he says "in the near future".
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