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Allandi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:52:00 -
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So he enters a highly public (at least to the gaming community) political position, gets trashed and calls for the harassment 'till suicide of a fellow player. Then complains that people are calling him a cyber bully. Wha-what?
He apologized, and you have to give him credit for that, but he gave up the rights of anonymity when he willingly ran for CSM. He gave up the right to not be called a cyber bully when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
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Allandi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:28:00 -
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Zirise wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Zirise wrote:Allandi wrote:when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
If you can't differentiate between a drunken 'ha hah' gone wrong and a genuine inttent to cause harm then I'm truly sorry for you. The legal system (and common sense) does not differentiate drunk vs sober when rendering decisions of this nature. e.g.: "i was drunk, and being an *******, but I swear she was 18 Your Honor". Drunkenness aside, someone who was trying to make a funny in bad taste is not the same as someone genuinely advocating someone to kill themselves.
You're right, and it's likely a joke watching the video (I don't pretend to know the guy's thoughts). Some people can even get away with this type of behavior. But refer back toward the political position part of my post.
Why is it so surprising there were political attacks on the guy? He's a political figure (and a polarizing one) that made a huge political mistake on camera. Were the roles reversed (for someone that goons hate) you can bet the same attacks would come.
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Allandi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:34:00 -
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Then whats the problem? Do you complain this much about real life political commercials which expose another candidate's youthful indiscretions? |
Allandi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:49:00 -
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Zirise wrote:Allandi wrote:Then whats the problem? Do you complain this much about real life political commercials which expose another candidate's youthful indiscretions? Please point to all my 3 or 4 posts of complaints confined to this thread, I am so sorry if I have overburdened the EVE community. The problem is people are waving banners of ~moral outrage~ when it has a lot more to do with axes that need grinding.
Question was more rhetorical and not necessarily directed at you.
Regardless, some people ARE morally outraged at his behavior. By some moral standards, he stepped pretty far over the line in his dealings with another human being.
Personally, I would never do what he did, drunk or not, and I don't know anyone personally that could act so callously in real life. Again, it may be a joke, but someone was on the ass end of a very hurtful and hateful joke.
I'm the type of person that doesn't watch shock videos because I don't like to see other people in pain, so I'm far more squishy than the average EVE player. |
Allandi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:07:00 -
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Zirise wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Zirise wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Zirise wrote:
People tell people to kill themselves all the time on the internet, it's virtually never intended to be taken as serious. The Mittani, in a moment of drunkenness forgot that this culture doesn't extend to the world at large. It really is that simple.
First point, agreed. However, telling a large group of individuals to harass a very specific person with the specific goal of that person committing suicide is not even close to being similar. Drunkenness or levity is not an invokable defense here. google: incitement to suicide. It's very similar. 'Kill yourself' is supposedly edgy or cool or something in many online communities. I can't profess to know what the hell Mittens was thinking (and neither can he, most likely) but it certainly came across as him trying to be ~edgy and ~cool. It did not come across as threatening or literal. Do you actually believe that Mittens was genuinely trying to incite people to harass a person into committing suicide? Really? Except he did not say "kill yourself". He specifically directed other individuals (potentially thousands) to harass a specific EVE player with the objective so that that player would kill himself. He setup an entire slideshow and presentation beforehand. "I was drunk and an *******" is not a positive defense here. You and I both know there would be the same level of outcry had he even 'just' said kill yourself. It's simply an alien concept to anyone outside some areas of internet culture. Anyways we can keep debating this but obviously you think The Mittani implied he wanted people to encourage this guy to kill himself and I don't. vOv
I doubt his goal was to see the guy seriously off himself. But at the same time, he had to be aware that a huge chunk of his alliance-mates would actually do what he said and endlessly harass the fellow (had there not been warnings made about it). |
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