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enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2012.04.21 08:11:00 -
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every weekend, plex price collapse. Tuesday will be back over 500 mil. The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one.
-«enterprise-psi |
Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putain
Remanaquie Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:07:00 -
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Hamaa Kazula wrote:The great RMT isk purge will likely crash PLEX prices in my opinion.
Tens of trillions removed from economy. - Less demand for PLEX
People worried about using RMT to aquire ISK - More people converting GTCs to PLEX to acquire ISK. (especially those trying to fix their neg wallet balance)
CCP found a good way of reducing PLEX price and controlling inflation.
How do you manage to derive that conclusion from those premises? How can you understand so little about so much... |
Arugas Koken
Peregrine Guard
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:30:00 -
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Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putain wrote:How do you manage to derive that conclusion from those premises? How can you understand so little about so much...
CCP bans numerous bots and removes RMT isk.
1. Less people use RMT for isk and sell PLEX instead. Supply of PLEX goes up. 2. Less botting accounts using PLEX. Demand goes down.
Supply increase + less demand = conclusion. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:46:00 -
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enterprisePSI wrote:every weekend, plex price collapse. Tuesday will be back over 500 mil.
I think you have a good point. Do weekly averages of PLEX prices support it? I have noticed monthly prices oPLEX sorta follow used car prices too in opposite. Interesting hypothisis 8/10 To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.23 04:16:00 -
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I would just like to point out that, over three weeks after this thread was posted, plexes have not once been appreciably* lower than they were when this thread started and then only "plummeting" they've seen was when people who did not get graphics cards were selling them off.
*The average was 500.5 million on 3/31 and has never to date dropped before 491.7; this is within daily variation. |
Hamaa Kazula
Peregrine Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:12:00 -
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corestwo wrote:I would just like to point out that, over three weeks after this thread was posted, plexes have not once been appreciably* lower than they were when this thread started and then only "plummeting" they've seen was when people who did not get graphics cards were selling them off.
*The average was 500.5 million on 3/31 and has never to date dropped before 491.7; this is within daily variation.
Had I said PLEX prices would plummet within 3 weeks you would have a valid point. I did not.
I would actually be surprised if the behavior of the majority of people engaged in RMT changed in that period of time.
Once people realize that RMT isn't a good idea they will start dumping PLEX on the market to get their ISK and prices will plummet. |
enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:34:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:enterprisePSI wrote:every weekend, plex price collapse. Tuesday will be back over 500 mil. I think you have a good point. Do weekly averages of PLEX prices support it? I have noticed monthly prices oPLEX sorta follow used car prices too in opposite. Interesting hypothisis 8/10
I don't keep charts or spreadsheets. Don't like them. I hate numbers But i've been trading plexes (spell?) since the beginning , and it kinda grows on me. Not that i can predict future trends , i still sometimes loose ISK..
There is a group of players, that are so busy in RL , that they wait for the weekend, converting $$ to plex, for quick cash to have fun That group lowers the prices . Which they get back to where they where when the new week begins.
I know that for most of you that's common sense, but dammit i'm a doctor not an economist (literally) The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one.
-«enterprise-psi |
Prophet Avater
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:07:00 -
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Prices are dropping due to rmters getting banned thus stopping them from manipulating prices, I expect prices to drop even more when the plexes that the rmters own are put on market, prices won't stabilize for quite some time due to the popularity of plexs, I expect them to even be more popular in the coming 3rd and 4th quarters of the year due to new taxes and fees being put in place, speculations and demand will most likely increase the prices in the 3rd and 4th quarters. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:07:00 -
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Hamaa Kazula wrote:corestwo wrote:I would just like to point out that, over three weeks after this thread was posted, plexes have not once been appreciably* lower than they were when this thread started and then only "plummeting" they've seen was when people who did not get graphics cards were selling them off.
*The average was 500.5 million on 3/31 and has never to date dropped before 491.7; this is within daily variation. Had I said PLEX prices would plummet within 3 weeks you would have a valid point. I did not. I would actually be surprised if the behavior of the majority of people engaged in RMT changed in that period of time. Once people realize that RMT isn't a good idea they will start dumping PLEX on the market to get their ISK and prices will plummet. Predictions like yours without a timeline are boring and utterly meaningless. |
Hamaa Kazula
Peregrine Enterprises
9
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Posted - 2012.04.23 23:47:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Predictions like yours without a timeline are boring
And yet, here you are. Again. |
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:05:00 -
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Yep. And I'll be back again and again until (and if) plex prices do drop, at which point I'll be sure to be here to lay out why their drop actually has nothing to do with what you predicted.
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Hamaa Kazula
Peregrine Enterprises
9
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:25:00 -
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Well I'm sure that when you "lay out" your reasons for why PLEX prices dropped they will be as nonsensical as following a thread that bores you.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:36:00 -
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i predict plex will go up
at some time in the indefinite future |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:36:00 -
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behold, i am nostradeveus, seer of the eve universe everything i predict has come true or will come true |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
185
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:53:00 -
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when did I ever say the thread bores me? |
Hamaa Kazula
Peregrine Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:31:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Predictions like yours without a timeline are boring |
Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:27:00 -
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err your prediction means nothing. and you let the goons troll you for the good entertainment of the rest of us.
If you make a prediction without a time line, you're not making a prediction. If prices go up, you'll just say "wait for it", if prices go down you'll say "i told you so".
in other words, in your own world you'll always be right.
if you want to validate your point, state right now when is this "about" time frame going to happen.
tl;dr(in case you're that lazy), in order to make a prediction you need two things, a time line and a magnitude. having neither makes this topic.. pointless? |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:16:00 -
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Hamaa Kazula wrote:corestwo wrote:Predictions like yours without a timeline are boring
oh, right, that.
your prediction is boring. the thread, however, is not. |
Hamaa Kazula
Peregrine Enterprises
9
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:28:00 -
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Johnny Frecko wrote:err your prediction means nothing and you let the goons troll you for the good entertainment of the rest of us
If you make a prediction without a time line, you're not making a prediction If prices go up, you'll just say "wait for it", if prices go down you'll say "i told you so"
in other words, in your own world you'll always be right.
One of those goons made that exact same point just a few posts ago but in a much less tedious way
Johnny Frecko wrote:if you want to validate your point, state right now when is this "about" time frame going to happen.
Ok. It'll happen between now and the time you post something original. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
186
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:40:00 -
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Hamaa Kazula wrote:Ok. It'll happen between now and the time you post something original.
i made no argument regarding magnitude, only timeline, making his call for magnitude something original, so plexes must have just fallen!
wait, no. |
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Hamaa Kazula
Peregrine Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:44:00 -
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corestwo wrote:i made no argument regarding magnitude, only timeline, making his call for magnitude something original, so plexes must have just fallen!
wait, no.
The goon i was referring to was Retar Aveymone. Sorry bro but your posts are just as tedious as Johnny's. |
XEcuTioneRUK
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.25 16:00:00 -
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PLEX have dropped quite a bit over last 2 weeks, a B/O of mine for 2 @ 471 was swiftly exchaned just 2 days ago... ...but they have risen again today to 482
ONE of the main problems is the ISK junkies in the game with B/O's for 10, 15 and more just bumping price up, just pure greed! ...and this has spoilt EVE for quite a few players, I know of at least 7 players that have stopped using alts as isk to be earnt doing missions, mining is just not viable - unless you are some sort of jobless idiot that spends his/her entire life on EVE (very sad)
For those that have jobs and RL family commitments, this just isnt viable anymore. - And before the muppets start saying pay for it, get a better job, millions of isk when you scam like me, just keep quiet as I have heard it all before.
Along with the recent nerf to loot, this will drop even more players from EVE, which everyone (players) will feel in good time no doubt Oh ....it is to help manufactures they say- that is a loada bullcrap, its just another ISK SINK, as most real manufacturers relied on the HS/T1 loot to melt down for the rare minerals to actually build items that were worth building, selling and making ISK from, now they will have to either; move in and out of LOW/NULL space and risk losing ships (ISK SINK) - (FUN for LOW/NULL sec RL cash players that dominate those areas), or they now buy from market at higher prices as there will be less of these minerals in high sec space (ISK SINK).
It's all about mathematics at the end of the day, and the sums all come down to ISK which spins off from PLEX, which spins off from GTC, which spins of from RL CASH, which spins off profit for CCP! simple to work out if you have any brain cells
Ohh and before anyone says CCP don't control the prices, players do, and all tht crap, wake up just a tad and u will see the light at the end of the tunnel!, It's all about profit for CCP, it is a game, and if they didn't make profit the game WOULD NOT bve running Hence the recent splurt of PLEX advertising, "you could be GOD", spend your "RL cash", and buy an army, become a PLEX trader and make "MILLION" on the fastest selling item in EVE, you can do all this, just give us RL CASH! CASH CASH CASH, cha ching, cha ching, cha ching -ú-ú-ú's just racking up! |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:53:00 -
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XEcuTioneRUK wrote: ... stuff ...
With rants like that you should go join the occupy hippies. I'm sure it'd make sense to them.
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Moto Akimoto
Tengu and Cash
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Posted - 2012.04.26 06:38:00 -
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Hmm.... Dr E's super secret weapon for stable PLEX prices could be something like FOMC. Selling and buying PLEX in the market instead of bonds of course. If they were to use a few alts for their operations without public knowledge, we wouldn't know what they were up to.
This wouldn't do much for balancing supply/demand issues but it would definately spoil manipulation attempts.
Sure this goes against the "hands off" in a sandbox ideals but for CCP it would be the difference between hiring or firing employees. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.26 07:08:00 -
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Moto Akimoto wrote:Hmm.... Dr E's super secret weapon for stable PLEX prices could be something like FOMC. Selling and buying PLEX in the market instead of bonds of course. If they were to use a few alts for their operations without public knowledge, we wouldn't know what they were up to.
This wouldn't do much for balancing supply/demand issues but it would definately spoil manipulation attempts.
Sure this goes against the "hands off" in a sandbox ideals but for CCP it would be the difference between hiring or firing employees.
For every PLEX CCP would sell for isk they would lose 15 Real Dollars.
For every PLEX they buy they would inject a lot of isk directly into EVE, creating another isk faucet.
That is why it is bad and why they won't do it. Fix FW ! |
Moto Akimoto
Tengu and Cash
11
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Posted - 2012.04.26 09:10:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Moto Akimoto wrote:Hmm.... Dr E's super secret weapon for stable PLEX prices could be something like FOMC. Selling and buying PLEX in the market instead of bonds of course. If they were to use a few alts for their operations without public knowledge, we wouldn't know what they were up to.
This wouldn't do much for balancing supply/demand issues but it would definately spoil manipulation attempts.
Sure this goes against the "hands off" in a sandbox ideals but for CCP it would be the difference between hiring or firing employees. For every PLEX CCP would sell for isk they would lose 15 Real Dollars. For every PLEX they buy they would inject a lot of isk directly into EVE, creating another isk faucet. That is why it is bad and why they won't do it.
Yes, that's the whole idea mate.
As long as the bottom line is 0, no damage is done because 1-1=0. (Buy 1 PLEX, Sell 1 PLEX)
So 0*(15 Real Dollars)=0 Real Dollars and 0*ISK=0 ISK
That said though, this would be a very bad idea since CCP would have the upper hand and crush the PLEX traders.
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DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
225
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Posted - 2012.04.26 09:16:00 -
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Moto Akimoto wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Moto Akimoto wrote:Hmm.... Dr E's super secret weapon for stable PLEX prices could be something like FOMC. Selling and buying PLEX in the market instead of bonds of course. If they were to use a few alts for their operations without public knowledge, we wouldn't know what they were up to.
This wouldn't do much for balancing supply/demand issues but it would definately spoil manipulation attempts.
Sure this goes against the "hands off" in a sandbox ideals but for CCP it would be the difference between hiring or firing employees. For every PLEX CCP would sell for isk they would lose 15 Real Dollars. For every PLEX they buy they would inject a lot of isk directly into EVE, creating another isk faucet. That is why it is bad and why they won't do it. Yes, that's the whole idea mate. As long as the bottom line is 0, no damage is done because 1-1=0. (Buy 1 PLEX, Sell 1 PLEX) So 0*(15 Real Dollars)=0 Real Dollars and 0*ISK=0 ISK That said though, this would be a very bad idea since CCP would have the upper hand and crush the PLEX traders.
What you say is wrong.
To go further on yoru example: lets say CCP creates a plex and sells it throught an alt. Result : they lose 15$ Then they buy a plex with an alt. they have to create isk to buy it. Result : +-500mil isk get injected into the economy.
Total results of the 1-1 action: They lose 15$ and have created 500mil out out thin air in the game -> inflation. 2 bad effects that don't cancel each other out. Fix FW ! |
Corporate Envoy
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:31:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:XEcuTioneRUK wrote: ... stuff ... With rants like that you should go join the occupy hippies. I'm sure it'd make sense to them.
With rants like that you should go join the evolution denying, abortion doctor murdering, teapartying Christian Right. I'm sure it'd make sense to them. |
Florestan Bronstein
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
536
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Posted - 2012.04.26 12:54:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:What you say is wrong.
To go further on yoru example: lets say CCP creates a plex and sells it throught an alt. Result : they lose 15$ Then they buy a plex with an alt. they have to create isk to buy it. Result : +-500mil isk get injected into the economy.
Total results of the 1-1 action: They lose 15$ and have created 500mil out out thin air in the game -> inflation. 2 bad effects that don't cancel each other out.
you seem to forget that CCP gets ISK for the PLEX it sells and a PLEX for the ISK it sells.
CCP sells a PLEX: -1 PLEX, +500m ISK CCP buys a PLEX: +1 PLEX, -500m ISK
net value of transactions: zero
either the 500m or the PLEX only exist temporarily (depending on whether CCP starts by buying or selling) and gets deleted after the second transaction is complete. the other component (ISK or PLEX) is taken from players and returned to players. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
225
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Posted - 2012.04.26 13:03:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:DeBingJos wrote:What you say is wrong.
To go further on yoru example: lets say CCP creates a plex and sells it throught an alt. Result : they lose 15$ Then they buy a plex with an alt. they have to create isk to buy it. Result : +-500mil isk get injected into the economy.
Total results of the 1-1 action: They lose 15$ and have created 500mil out out thin air in the game -> inflation. 2 bad effects that don't cancel each other out. you seem to forget that CCP gets ISK for the PLEX it sells and a PLEX for the ISK it sells. CCP sells a PLEX: -1 PLEX, +500m ISK CCP buys a PLEX: +1 PLEX, -500m ISK net value of transactions: zero either the 500m or the PLEX only exist temporarily (depending on whether CCP starts by buying or selling) and gets deleted after the second transaction is complete. the other component (ISK or PLEX) is taken from players and returned to players.
The whole point of CCP trying to manipulate the plex market is reducing the amount of plex ingame or increasing it. If they just buy one for 500mil and sell it again for 500mil they have accomplished nothing... Fix FW ! |
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