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Vital Frax
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Posted - 2008.10.10 12:14:00 -
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Hello all,
So I am a 1 month Rooky and looking for some excitement,despite all i read about the dangers I took the risk and went into 0.4 to see if i could mine some Jaspet .
1 guy in local who didnt have a bad standing but was the one who called in the real bad guys i guess hehe,no time to escape,no ransom asked,podkilled and lost all my limited implants,but hey i knew the risk.
Now what i would like to know if there are any coordinated attacks organised by anti pirate corps,all i evr read is about gate camps,no go areas,no go low sec ,no go solo, etc etc. Where are the stories about pirates getting chased to the end of space?
So far all i learned is to mine in high sec stay put to avoid damage, mine veldspar till eternity, and use the money to buy the rest ya need,with pirates blocking effectively most 0.4 systems that often are the acces to deep space the way to move around in this game kinda very hard if not impossible for new players.
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Vital Frax
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Posted - 2008.10.10 12:14:00 -
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Hello all,
So I am a 1 month Rooky and looking for some excitement,despite all i read about the dangers I took the risk and went into 0.4 to see if i could mine some Jaspet .
1 guy in local who didnt have a bad standing but was the one who called in the real bad guys i guess hehe,no time to escape,no ransom asked,podkilled and lost all my limited implants,but hey i knew the risk.
Now what i would like to know if there are any coordinated attacks organised by anti pirate corps,all i evr read is about gate camps,no go areas,no go low sec ,no go solo, etc etc. Where are the stories about pirates getting chased to the end of space?
So far all i learned is to mine in high sec stay put to avoid damage, mine veldspar till eternity, and use the money to buy the rest ya need,with pirates blocking effectively most 0.4 systems that often are the acces to deep space the way to move around in this game kinda very hard if not impossible for new players.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.10 12:15:00 -
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anti-pirates must die
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.10 12:15:00 -
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anti-pirates must die
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 12:19:00 -
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There are sometimes Anti-Pirate actions going on, but I haven't heard of a dedicated AP corp. Lowsec pirates are an essential part of the gameplay, not just some jerks ganking people because they can (although most do it for that exact reason). In any case, I would strongly advise trying to find a corp dedicated to AP. You'll get bored easily...
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 12:19:00 -
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There are sometimes Anti-Pirate actions going on, but I haven't heard of a dedicated AP corp. Lowsec pirates are an essential part of the gameplay, not just some jerks ganking people because they can (although most do it for that exact reason). In any case, I would strongly advise trying to find a corp dedicated to AP. You'll get bored easily...
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Korizan
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Posted - 2008.10.10 13:13:00 -
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Welcome to EVE.
Just some information.
In 0.0 there are basically 2 policies for engagement.
NRDS ū Not Red DonĘt Shoot
NBSI ū Not Blue Shoot It.
Now the 0.0 Alliances use routes they frequent to get to lowsec and highsec.
These are called pipes and tend to be patrolled by 0.0 alliances.
So if you enter a pipe patrolled by a NBSI alliance you will be shot on site.
And a vast majority of 0.0 alliances use this policy.
But if you are in a NRDS pipe (CVA is one alliance who uses this policy) you will not be shot by CVA.
Now that doesnĘt mean there are not pirates along the pipe it just means you will not be shot by the alliances using NRDS.
So when you are in low-sec you could be in danger from 0.0 alliances or pirates.
And in most places the politics and the way low-sec pirates are handled is determined by the closest 0.0 alliance.
As you can see pirate is a relative term in EVE.
You could be killed by an alliance who is protecting there space or just by someone who wants to kill anybody.
There are corporations that are NOT in alliances that will attempt to take over an area of low-sec and protect it from pirates but they may be running NBSI and neutrals get shot as well in the name for system stability.
So the best way to survive and function is to watch local and have friends.
And above all learn who the locals are and what there policies are towards neutrals and pirates.
Good luck and enjoy EVE.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.10.10 14:17:00 -
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Anti-pirates are pirates that pirate other pirates.
I couldn't fit anymore pirates into that line. |
Charles Kuralt
Caldari
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 14:19:00 -
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Indeed AntiPirate corps are few and far between. The irony is that if people are in game for the pew-pew, being AntiPirate is one of the best ways. There's always some griefer or noob hunter to shoot at. |
Lucia Warbler
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.10.10 14:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Vital Frax
went into 0.4 to see if i could mine some Jaspet.
You'll earn more mining Veldspar or Kernite in high if the mining is the way to go for you.
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So CCP, added something worth mining to low sector yet? Mayhaps pirates would catch more miners if you did, no? |
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.10.10 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lucia Warbler
Originally by: Vital Frax
went into 0.4 to see if i could mine some Jaspet.
You'll earn more mining Veldspar or Kernite in high if the mining is the way to go for you.
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So CCP, added something worth mining to low sector yet? Mayhaps pirates would catch more miners if you did, no?
Indeed, Jaspet and Omber are trash to mine unless you are just after the minerals. |
Flash Bombardo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.10 14:58:00 -
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Personally I like to annoy pirates by uncloaking at unfeasible distances from theit gate camps and slagging them off in local, or stealing their bait from their cans and whizzing off right quick. I made 4 million like that just yesterday. So I'm not anti-pirate more pirate antagoniser.
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Spigoe
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Flash Bombardo
Personally I like to annoy pirates by uncloaking at unfeasible distances from theit gate camps and slagging them off in local, or stealing their bait from their cans and whizzing off right quick. I made 4 million like that just yesterday. So I'm not anti-pirate more pirate antagoniser.
Getting smacked in local is often "teh lulz" for the pirates. And 4 million is hardly that much if you can afford to bait with it (which is "baiting" and not "yarring"). |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:12:00 -
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The game design actively works against anyone who wants to be an anti-pirate.
And this is weird because the dev keep trying to limit what pirates can do by means of game mechanisms.
A good start in fixing this would be to give no penalty hit for attacking anyone with sec lower than -.1
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
The game design actively works against anyone who wants to be an anti-pirate.
The game design actively works against anyone who wants to be a pirate tbh.
That's why you've got so little targets. So you just want everyone with lower then -.01 sec status a target now to expand your target list? 
How about you start pirating?
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EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
The game design actively works against anyone who wants to be an anti-pirate.
And this is weird because the dev keep trying to limit what pirates can do by means of game mechanisms.
This
What are the incentives to become a lowsec gatecamper? that's what the OP really meant when writing pirates -pirates are mostly nonexistent, since lowsec is barren and very few people go in belts-.
- Easy turkey shooting
- Killboard stats padding
- Hatemail, QQ in local (the real treat for most of them)
- Opportunity to fap/drink/forum while waiting for sound of gate activation
- Opportunity to run missions on your positive security status alt
- A few hour's work = a dozen millions, or MUCH MUCH MORE, on a quite regular basis
- Riskless, as you have security in numbers, and gatebusting gangs are very few. Ships fitted with t2, nothing expensive.
What are the incentives to go against lowsec gatecampers?
- Spending time roaming around in a 4 to 10 people gang, size must be adapted to each gatecamp in order for the gatecampers to stay and fight (they mostly won't, as they expect a trap)
- T2 loot at best, assuming gatecamp gang stays and fight
- No thanks from anybody
- Watching freebooters set up shot in systems you police (thanks to The Parrot Shoppe for this hindsight: htey used to be vigilantes, now they can't be bothered because of that)
Gatecamping pays (a lot), requires zero effort. Just look at the recruitement forums, and see how many "pirates" are looking for brethren. Now try looking for "antipirate" corps or individuals.
There is absolutely ZERO incentive to go "antipirate" or rather antigatecampers, antigankbears. If you and a demi-dozen of good buddies can play six hours or more a day, and have a grand idea of spatial retribution, then you can go for it. Assuming you can finance it. You'll need huge amounts of time to effectively police the lanes, and a steady isk supply as the T2 loot won't cut it. Also, you'll be more deterring than actually fighting.
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Rudy Metallo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:53:00 -
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Anti pirates always turn into pirates themselves.
Pirates outnumber anti-pies about 100:1, how do you expect to chase us to the ends of the universe? I have never once come across a competent group of anti-pies, but I know a lot of A-Class pirates.
Welcome to EVE, the "bad guys" triumph here.
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Atlas Oracle
Minmatar
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:38:00 -
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many truths in this thread
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:31:00 -
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Even non-piracy outfits like ours sometimes work with pirates in order to combat other pirates. It's all a matter of perception, we view our pirates are privateers in the cause for the duration.
What I'm saying is that it's more or less shades of grey, puritan pirate hunters are a rare breed. Find a good corporation that are not inclined to gank just about anyone for them lulz and I assure you they'll have a long list of legit targets to persue, call them pirates if you will.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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StrangeWill
Gallente
United Freelancers Organization
Trinova
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Posted - 2008.10.10 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vital Frax
no ransom asked
What poor pirating.
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emf
Amarr
Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.10.11 00:16:00 -
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Main problem really is the lack of targets. It's hard enough to find something to shoot in low sec while shooting EVERYTHING. Same reason why lots of pirates shoot each other.
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murder one
Gallente
Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.10.11 00:28:00 -
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The best antipirates in Eve are other pirates. As a whole, antipirates are some of the worst PVPers in all of Eve.
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[07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2
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Vital Frax
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Posted - 2008.10.11 11:55:00 -
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Wooow hehe nice to see so many detailed answers and insights into the piracy and anti piracy thoughts,if pvp is what pirates are really good at,then same as in other mmorp s you would expect a kind of balance to keep it interesting for the pirates as well.Since the pve players or the RP players might also want to find a place or already have they can stay in high sec without being forced into pvp.So actually what i meant to say is EVE has 2 worlds, high sec safe pve and low sec pirate pvp,it splits the community,and then yes pirates will start to shoot eachother out of boredom,I learned my lesson in the first week,but in future when skilled enough would like to
seek my revenge cause it does add excitement to the game .
Be any thing ya ever wanna be was the line that attracted my attention when i bought the game,seems this game has alot of pirates already,so maybe we need to change the numbers a bit and make them feel a little bit less confident if they know "Vendetta Fleets" are roaming low sec as well instead of those kinda ***** Concord police that even allow stealing (weird Police ).
Well i think i got my wanna be plan almost worked out , now just the skills and thats gonna require alot of patience......
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Niivvy
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.11 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rudy Metallo
Anti pirates always turn into pirates themselves.
Pirates outnumber anti-pies about 100:1, how do you expect to chase us to the ends of the universe? I have never once come across a competent group of anti-pies, but I know a lot of A-Class pirates.
Welcome to EVE, the "bad guys" triumph here.
their are areas in eve where the anitpies outnumber the pirates, if you want to join a pirate corp with tonns of antipie targets hit me up with a convo ingame
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DubanFP
Caldari
Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 11/10/2008 12:42:45
Originally by: Vital Frax
Wooow hehe nice to see so many detailed answers and insights into the piracy and anti piracy thoughts,if pvp is what pirates are really good at,then same as in other mmorp s you would expect a kind of balance to keep it interesting for the pirates as well.
That's your problem. You're thinking it's pirate v anti pirate but it's not a unified group like that. Pirates can kill pirate.
These thoughts are why most Anti-piratse are complete newbies, why? Not because you have to be a newbie to Anti-pirate but because by the time they start to get good they almost always have realized one fact.
Fact: The difference between a pirate and an anti-pirate is that the anti-pirate gives up half their targets, and the best targets at that too. They know that if they just went pirate they could still kill other pirates, but now they can shoot easier targets as well as their pirates.
Pirates can do anything an anti-pirate can do. The difference is anti-pirates are weighed down by useless rules as to what they can and can't shoot.
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DrefsabZN
Caldari
Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 13:07:00 -
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My corp technically is Anti-Pirate, we like to go out into low sec and find people who are up for pew pew. We arn't really about doing the super hero thing rushing in to save noob's, or busting camps, instead we just like to shoot those that wanna fight and don't wanna pick on those who are doing their own thing.
We are friendly with a lot of corps but at the end of the day people who chase pirates all over the place for their Yarring ways are few and far between.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.10.11 13:20:00 -
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My corporation, the Drekla Consortium, was originally 100% anti-pirate. Now we just shoot stuff kind of on the fly.
There were several reasons for our transition to "anti-pirate" to "pirate" to "loony toons" in EVE. Yes, right now we are in the loony toon phase because EVE needs to be kept up to date with spice and crack *******. Either way...
Anti-pirating gets extremely boring when all you want to do is actually shoot things. You also find out very quickly that, well, pirates don't pirate that often. This is strictly referring to 0.1 - 0.4 (low-sec) space. Sometimes you can just fly around forever in a frig and not really run into anything.
When you do actually find pirates it becomes a tactical decision on both ends on whether or not to engage. Can you win? Chances are they won't engage. Can they win? Chances are you won't engage. Are you a loony toon? Chances are you'll engage and scream "FOR THE EMPEROR!!!" in local as you lose your ship.
Let me see if I can stop rambling and put this into a bullet format...
-Boring (Snore snore snore...someone say contact? Where???? Oh...just a hauler...an innocent newbie hauler hauling 100+ mil in cargo...ooooooo how I wish I wasn't anti-pie and could take that away from them)
-Logistics Issues (Are we all in a position to actually do this?)
-Information Issues (Is this information legit?)
-Identification Issues (Pie or no pie? Are you sure they are?)
-Number Game (Can we win?)
-Tactical Layout Issues (Can we get there in a reasonable amount of time?)
-Paranoia Issues (Do they have others logged off in system? Are the other people in local with or against them? Do they have assistance 1, 2, 3 jumps out? Do they have a carrier?)
-SECURITY STATUS ISSUES (Can the people who are able to respond to the pirate threat, afford to take security status hits? Pirates don't typically go -5.0 because they enjoy sentry guns helping once in a while)
-MONEY ISSUES (Can we afford to do this anymore? Who will endorse our activity if anyone? Should we run missions for isk?)
-Friend Issues (Do we get along with the locals? Should we charge for our services?)
-Purpose in game issues (Is this really the best way for me to enjoy the game? Do I really want to do this?)
And I'm sure there's a bunch more.
Being a loony toon, you don't have these issues! There is only one issue you worry about...
-Emperor...for him or not?
The answer is usually
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.10.11 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rudy Metallo
Anti pirates always turn into pirates themselves.
Pirates outnumber anti-pies about 100:1, how do you expect to chase us to the ends of the universe? I have never once come across a competent group of anti-pies, but I know a lot of A-Class pirates.
Welcome to EVE, the "bad guys" triumph here.
unfortuantely, something like this is true, my corp is supposed to be Anti Pirate (not dedicated, but when we go on pvp ops) and its very difficult finding good targets that are flashy flashy, and when we do, the pirates we are chasing call in twice our numbers
it was me, and a corp mate, both in cruisers, and an alliance m8 in a nighthawk
they call in backup, and find us at our safespot, and it goes like this
first:
a tempest, a hac and a cruiser (we could deal with this, we engage)
then, a vaga and an ishtar warp in (now were starting to worry)
then, a drake, an onyx, another hac, and a command ship (eos) drop in on us
so, 3 guys, 2 in t1 ships and they drop a total of
1 battleship, 1 battlecruiser, 1 commandship, 3 hacs, and 1 cruiser
more than twice our numbers with 4 t2 ships
its hard to get small gang warfare, or solo, so, anyway, im not saying dont join and anti-pie corp, just if you do, expect to get blobbed alot of the time, and to lose alot of ships as result of blobbing
for the record, im not complaining about getting blobbed, they had the numbers, and they are a pure pvp corp, we are like 75% industrial, and 25% mission running/pvping, so we were obviously outmatched, but they had 3 in system, that would have been a good fight, 3 vs. 3, i wouldnt have minded so much, because we would have gotten more than one kill (we were only able to get the vexor, lol we knew we were dead, we had to get SOMETHING, the t1 ship was the easiest target)
oh, and like someone said, Pirates are part of the low sec, and pretty much by themselves provide the risk of low sec, but anti-pirates are also a necessity, even though a minority
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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wdwjhdw
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Posted - 2008.10.11 14:32:00 -
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My corp doesnt allow piracy. (ie ransoming)
However shooting up random people is encouraged.
Go figure.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.11 17:10:00 -
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Fighting real "pirate for profit" pirates sucks - they just run away and dock up if at risk of losing.
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