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Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:16:00 - [31] Is this another Falcon thread?
Garth Delladandra Caldari Arbitrary Freedom	Posted - 2008.10.13 00:53:00 - [32] ECCM is a must for your fleet. Example(Won't be in proportion, but it is fairly close to actually events): 1.) You have a fleet of 6 battleships, no eccm. One falcon flies in. Falcon has 6 jammers and successfully jams all 6 of your bses due to their relatively low targeting strength vs falcons jammers. Your fleet puts out 0 battleships worth of dps. 2.) Your 6 battleships all fit eccm. One falcon flies in. Falcon jams first battleship but it takes 3 of his jammers. Falcon jams second battleship but it takes 2 of his jammers. Falcon fails jam on last battleship. Your fleet puts out 4 battleships of dps. 4 battleships of dps vs 0 battleships of dps - Is ECCM worth it? ECCM is not a one hundred percent success button. It is a fleet tool to increase the burden on the enemy's ecm. Remember the people you are helping by fitting your eccm. Each person jammed with ECCM is most likely keeping 2 other people unjammed. Trust me, as an ECM pilot, I can tell when people are using ECCM on their ships.
Am Li Caldari Dominion Gaming	Posted - 2008.10.13 01:24:00 - [33] GOD DAMN IT YOU ALL WHINE WAY TO MUCH its a game, you invest your time and spends your money; you gets your choices. A falcon is not an iWin button and is more than stoppable. get over yourselves. DOMINION GAMING, LAID BACK GAMING CLAN Recruitment Thread Homepage
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.13 02:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Am Li GOD DAMN IT YOU ALL WHINE WAY TO MUCH its a game, you invest your time and spends your money; you gets your choices. A falcon is not an iWin button and is more than stoppable. get over yourselves. Translated: "I have a falcon alt, don't nerf it.". Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
The Vixen Gallente DataPipe Industries	Posted - 2008.10.13 02:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Am Li GOD DAMN IT YOU ALL WHINE WAY TO MUCH its a game, you invest your time and spends your money; you gets your choices. A falcon is not an iWin button and is more than stoppable. get over yourselves. Translated: "I have a falcon alt, don't nerf it.". ...And my main is a Snaked'out Nanoboat. Pliz don't nerf that either. If it wasn't for my alt and my exploit-style-of-play I might have to actually learn the PvP system as CCP intended.
Kailiao MisInterpreted Teddy Bears	Posted - 2008.10.13 02:52:00 - [36] Answer: Not even close to working. Next Question ?
Kailiao MisInterpreted Teddy Bears	Posted - 2008.10.13 02:53:00 - [37] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Am Li GOD DAMN IT YOU ALL WHINE WAY TO MUCH its a game, you invest your time and spends your money; you gets your choices. A falcon is not an iWin button and is more than stoppable. get over yourselves. Translated: "I have a falcon alt, don't nerf it.". LOL Very True
Falcon Alt	Posted - 2008.10.13 03:18:00 - [38] Working as intended, by which I mean not working. CCP has intentionally created an overpowered ship that is simple enough to use that it can be operated by one person alongside his or her main, thereby making it necessary to pay for a Falcon alt account to be competitive in pvp.
The Vixen Gallente DataPipe Industries	Posted - 2008.10.13 03:25:00 - [39] CCP should add a new error message: "You cannot pilot this Falcon, because your cognitive concentration is currently piloting another ship on a separate account." If people couldn't duel-box Falcons, then a lot less people would complain against them. Thus the problem being the duel-boxing. CCP couldn't do that though. Too many players have multi-accounts running simo and they would cancel those subscriptions.
Eros Schui	Posted - 2008.10.13 04:27:00 - [40] against a non-ewar specialized pilot, yea.

fightnkill Violent Fury	Posted - 2008.10.13 05:43:00 - [41] I keep hearin ppl say "Use ECCM" YES I DID USE ECCM! 3 of them in fact, in addition, using heat on those modules. and the damn thing still jammed me The fact that i have to fit a special module to counter againt a certain ship is a problem itself.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.13 05:47:00 - [42] Originally by: fightnkill I keep hearin ppl say "Use ECCM" YES I DID USE ECCM! 3 of them in fact, in addition, using heat on those modules. and the damn thing still jammed me The fact that i have to fit a special module to counter againt a certain ship is a problem itself. I fit shields to protect me from bullets. I fit a MWD that often never needs to be activated. I fit missiles to blow stuff up. Why shouldn't you have to do SOMETHING to defend yourself against a certain ship? I may side with you if you change the nature of the arugment (i.e. why should I fit a module that's only situtionally useful when it's relatively weak in it's actual effect?)
Tefkros The Dead Pod Society Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.13 05:56:00 - [43] Volkswagens suck and are horrible cars because a friend of my friend¦s friend had an oil leak. I hear another person in another country also had a problem with his Volkswagen. I read it on the internet. Some Volkswagens even lose traction when taking a tight turn at 130mph. I mean how broken is that? They really do suck and the company must fix them. Or maybe it¦s your circumstantial evidence and your need to ***** about something, becoming one of the cool kids that find broken things.
Multimorph Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.13 06:36:00 - [44] Edited by: Multimorph on 13/10/2008 06:37:36 Originally by: fightnkill I keep hearin ppl say "Use ECCM" YES I DID USE ECCM! 3 of them in fact, in addition, using heat on those modules. and the damn thing still jammed me The fact that i have to fit a special module to counter againt a certain ship is a problem itself. If you put a weight into the "one" at a dice you cannot expect to roll a "six" every time, can you? Same with ECCM, it alters chances, but it guarantees for nothing. Now one could start to argue, that ECCM does not alter the chances enough, but this has nothing to do with ECCM not working or being broken.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 06:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Leeluvv I have a Raven with 1 ECCM. The last Falcon to target me was flashing red for ages, but he didn't get a succesful jam and had to warp off when he started losing armour to my cruise missiles. As ECM is chance based it's impossible to say if it was the ECCM working well or just bad luck for the Falcon... Nononono you dont understand a Falcon automatically permajams everything from 250km regardless of how many ECCMs you have also they are completely invincible and never ever die its true I tell you NERF NERF NERF. -----------
Delichon The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.10.13 07:37:00 - [46] I can fly a maxxed-out Falcon. I am currently skilling up for an double ECCMed Megapulse-Arma to play undock games with random nanogangs. Amidoinitrite? ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next. EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.10.13 08:41:00 - [47] Damps would be an effective Falcon counter if they could be effective from as long a distance. Maybe they should just buff them. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Delichon The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.10.13 09:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Wet Ferret Damps would be an effective Falcon counter if they could be effective from as long a distance. Maybe they should just buff them. Damps at 150km = Lachesis being uber-pwnage in fleets (disabling Fleet BS per damper with 100% chance) Not going to happen. ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next. EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.13 11:53:00 - [49] Originally by: The Vixen CCP should add a new error message: "You cannot pilot this Falcon, because your cognitive concentration is currently piloting another ship on a separate account." If people couldn't duel-box Falcons, then a lot less people would complain against them. Thus the problem being the duel-boxing. CCP couldn't do that though. Too many players have multi-accounts running simo and they would cancel those subscriptions. So make proposals for ECM to be more attention-intensive rather than being nerfed. I'm all in favour of that, because flying falcons is pretty dull most of the time.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.13 11:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Delichon Originally by: Wet Ferret Damps would be an effective Falcon counter if they could be effective from as long a distance. Maybe they should just buff them. Damps at 150km = Lachesis being uber-pwnage in fleets (disabling Fleet BS per damper with 100% chance) Not going to happen. Change damps so that applying multiple damps to a target increases damp range but not strength.

Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.13 11:55:00 - [51] Originally by: fightnkill I keep hearin ppl say "Use ECCM" YES I DID USE ECCM! 3 of them in fact, in addition, using heat on those modules. and the damn thing still jammed me The fact that i have to fit a special module to counter againt a certain ship is a problem itself. I bolded the funny part for you.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.10.13 12:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Space Fascist Falcons are easy to counter. Just bring your own falcon with 3 gravimetric ECCMs and 4 gravimetric ECMs and never have issues again. If they still jam your counter-falcon, hot drop a mothership. They're immune to jamming. It's pathetic that the game has come to this. And the worst part? This is looking from the bigger perspective!
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.10.13 12:14:00 - [53] Originally by: fightnkill 3 x Magnetometric ECCM II on domi + Overheat and still got jammed by a falcon... Of course ECCM works for the casual jammer and stuff like the bb and griffine. ECCM does not protect you 100% you know And on a side note, would you also want an armor hardern with 100% resists as well? To be safe from everyhting at all times? Since you know there are some T2 ships that deal alot of damage, and we don't want T2 ships to be effective at what they do, do we now?
BuckStrider Fleem Co	Posted - 2008.10.13 12:38:00 - [54] Wanna beat a Falcon? Use FoF missiles
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2008.10.13 13:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Scatim Helicon Originally by: Leeluvv I have a Raven with 1 ECCM. The last Falcon to target me was flashing red for ages, but he didn't get a succesful jam and had to warp off when he started losing armour to my cruise missiles. As ECM is chance based it's impossible to say if it was the ECCM working well or just bad luck for the Falcon... Nononono you dont understand a Falcon automatically permajams everything from 250km regardless of how many ECCMs you have also they are completely invincible and never ever die its true I tell you NERF NERF NERF. Not entirely correct, it seems that it has a higher chance to jam a target when it has more ECCM fitted. No ECCM - 75% chance of being jammed One ECCM - 50% chance of being jammed Two ECCM - 90% chance of being jammed Three ECCM - 101% chance of being jammed Four ECCM - Did you really have nothing better to fit in those mid-slots ? ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2008.10.13 13:58:00 - [56] Originally by: BuckStrider Wanna beat a Falcon? Use FoF missiles FoF missles only go for the closest target. Although they can work in some very unlikely scenario's, they arn't a very pratical counter, as the Falcon isn't going to be the only ship on the field. The Falcon's gang needs to have you tackled and dps to kill you. So those ships are going to be alot closer to you most of the time, unless you get a warp in on the falcon, land and spew F.o.F's but if the falcon is any good he will be aligned to a celestial object usually and warp off when you land.


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