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fightnkill
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:23:00 -
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3 x Magnetometric ECCM II on domi + Overheat and still got jammed by a falcon...
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:25:00 -
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split the falcon's jamming focus, else no matter what form of ECCM short of counter ECM will suffice.
Its intended. Frustrating, but intended.
A Falcon is supposed to jam multiple craft after all. Its a force multiplier.
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fightnkill
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:26:00 -
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Compared to Force Recon ships from other races, Falcon is too good...
Arazu/Lachesis for instance can only cut down range, and they can only do it effectively against one target.
Whereas Falcon can effectively take MULTIPLE ships "Out of battle" by Fully jamming their locking systems.
Not to mention, it's impossible to kill something that jams u 120km away and can cloak, and can jam u if u close in.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:28:00 -
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 Originally by: fightnkill
3 x Magnetometric ECCM II on domi + Overheat and still got jammed by a falcon...
This one time, I ate a peanut M+M, but there was no peanut inside. Then I wrote to the people up at M+M and told them that their candy production machines don't work.
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Space Fascist
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:29:00 -
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Falcons are easy to counter. Just bring your own falcon with 3 gravimetric ECCMs and 4 gravimetric ECMs and never have issues again.
If they still jam your counter-falcon, hot drop a mothership. They're immune to jamming.
It's pathetic that the game has come to this.
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fightnkill
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: fightnkill
3 x Magnetometric ECCM II on domi + Overheat and still got jammed by a falcon...
This one time, I ate a peanut M+M, but there was no peanut inside. Then I wrote to the people up at M+M and told them that their candy production machines don't work.
Go ask for refund of that one w/o any peanuts.
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Varus Riaz
Gallente
Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:30:00 -
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It's chance based, so there's always a chance no matter how much ECCM you fit.
Really though, having your Falcon jam their Falcon is a much better counter than ECCM.
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fightnkill
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Space Fascist
Falcons are easy to counter. Just bring your own falcon with 3 gravimetric ECCMs and 4 gravimetric ECMs and never have issues again.
If they still jam your counter-falcon, hot drop a mothership. They're immune to jamming.
It's pathetic that the game has come to this.
So the only counter to falcon is another specially equipped Falcon?
or maybe pray that ur opponent doesn't have a falcon lol 
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fightnkill
Violent Fury
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Varus Riaz
It's chance based, so there's always a chance no matter how much ECCM you fit.
Really though, having your Falcon jam their Falcon is a much better counter than ECCM.
NOT everyone has a Falcon u know,
it's quiet a shame how Falcon is at least 5x stronger then its counterparts from other races.
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Waxau
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: fightnkill
Originally by: Varus Riaz
It's chance based, so there's always a chance no matter how much ECCM you fit.
Really though, having your Falcon jam their Falcon is a much better counter than ECCM.
NOT everyone has a Falcon u know,
it's quiet a shame how Falcon is at least 5x stronger then its counterparts from other races.
Wow, you sound alot like my cousin.
Hes Five.
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Varus Riaz
Gallente
Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: fightnkill
Originally by: Varus Riaz
It's chance based, so there's always a chance no matter how much ECCM you fit.
Really though, having your Falcon jam their Falcon is a much better counter than ECCM.
NOT everyone has a Falcon u know,
it's quiet a shame how Falcon is at least 5x stronger then its counterparts from other races.
Stealthbomber or longrange battleship with lots of sensor boosters works ok as well. Warp into the fight a little after everyone else and start shooting the Falcon up. You probably won't kill the thing unless it's a n00b ship, but you can make it warp off.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: fightnkill
3 x Magnetometric ECCM II on domi + Overheat and still got jammed by a falcon...
991235 you you grasp it?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:47:00 -
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Yes, they definitely work. Maybe not as well as you're expecting, but they *DO* work. I've got some experience in situations where I went from permajammed to jammed ~50% of the time by fitting an ECCM.
In the end, you've got 3x ECCM II's on a falcon and you got jammed... not permajammed or even jammed most of the time - which is the clearest possible indication that they work as intended.
-Liang
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whisk
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.12 16:57:00 -
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since its chance based, doesnt matter how much stench you got..
I got jammed in my thanatos with eccM ( 148 point?) and I got jammed by minmatar jammer in 1st attempt ( talked to falcon pilot)
Adapt or Die
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: fightnkill
Go ask for refund of that one w/o any peanuts.
You already ate it, you clearly have no evidence that M+M purposefully made this singular M+M without a peanut.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: fightnkill
3 x Magnetometric ECCM II on domi + Overheat and still got jammed by a falcon...
Let's talk about CHANCE BASED mechanics, shall we?
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:08:00 -
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oh god not another one of these
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Leeluvv
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:10:00 -
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I have a Raven with 1 ECCM. The last Falcon to target me was flashing red for ages, but he didn't get a succesful jam and had to warp off when he started losing armour to my cruise missiles.
As ECM is chance based it's impossible to say if it was the ECCM working well or just bad luck for the Falcon...
Lee
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Space Fascist
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Waxau
Originally by: fightnkill
Originally by: Varus Riaz
It's chance based, so there's always a chance no matter how much ECCM you fit.
Really though, having your Falcon jam their Falcon is a much better counter than ECCM.
NOT everyone has a Falcon u know,
it's quiet a shame how Falcon is at least 5x stronger then its counterparts from other races.
Wow, you sound alot like my cousin.
Hes Five.
You seem quite angry with your older cousin. Get beat up much?
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:02:00 -
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This thread reminds me of cake.
OM NOM NOM NOM!
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Vim
Spook Division
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:16:00 -
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You will only ever remember the jams the ecm ships get of when you field an eccm, you wont remember the ones they dont get. ECCM do work, but if only one ship carries it? Big deal. One ship with more resistance to jamming. Make that 40%+ of your force and you'll hear alot less 'I'am jammed'
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:33:00 -
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(a) ECCM works. Everyone in your force should have ECCM fitted. If anyone in a RR BS gang does not have a ECCM fitted, he's piloting a failboat and should Ctrl-Q.
(b) Your BS will still be out of the fight for 40-50% of the time assuming 1 jammer per BS.
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Rajere
Vicious Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:42:00 -
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Quote:
Your BS will still be jammed 30.8%-43.5% of the time assuming 1 racial jammer is applied to each battleship each cycle and assuming you do not have an Eos in gang
How to Fail at Eve
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
Quote:
Your BS will still be jammed 30.8%-43.5% of the time assuming 1 racial jammer is applied to each battleship each cycle and assuming you do not have an Eos in gang
WTB instant relock BS. Numbers range from 40-50% (more for geddon) with relock time applied. So:
- Your BS will be out of the fight for 40-50% of the time.
As for EOS:
-works both ways
-enables falcon to fit for more jamming power and forget range rigs (as Eos provides that)
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Rajere
Vicious Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.12 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Rajere on 12/10/2008 19:22:35
I wasn't "correcting" you per se, merely putting the specific details out there to paint an accurate picture. If your gang goes up against an enemy gang that happens to have a perfectly proportionate jammer load out matching your BS, and their falcons never have to cloak/warpoff/change spots, they're allowed to just sit there running their jammers on auto-repeat against their targets, then yes, the 30-40% chance to jam each cycle would translate into each bs being out of commission for 40-50% of the fight.
The benefit of fitting ECCM as a fleet, is that the enemy falcons should not be able to just sit there if their only getting successes 30-40% of the time. In addition, more often than not, there will be less jammers than targets to begin with, and a disproportionate number of jammers to target races to use against. A falcon who's got say 3 potential minmatar targets he needs to jam and 1 minmatar jammer will be cycling through targets, other than immediate tactical dependencies (ie "must jam "X", he's got me webbed") so fitting ECCM and resisting the first jam results in the falcon switching to one of the other 2 minmatar targets instead. Of course the opposite is also true, sometimes the falcon(s) have 3 total gallente jammers and you're the only gallente bs on the field. In those situations ECCM is still making it more difficult for each jam cycle to succeed, but they've got 3 jammers to use and nobody else to use them on so the overall success rate will result in you being out of the fight far more than 40-50% of the time.
As for your Eos comments, wtb Eos alt or some other way to gurantee what my fleet composition will be 100% of the time, because otherwise i'm not re-rigging my ships for each fight based on that.
How to Fail at Eve
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The Vixen
Gallente
DataPipe Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.12 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
(a) ECCM works. Everyone in your force should have ECCM fitted. If anyone in a RR BS gang does not have a ECCM fitted, he's piloting a failboat and should Ctrl-Q.
(b) Your BS will still be out of the fight for 40-50% of the time assuming 1 jammer per BS.
Anyone in your fleet who still has Ctrl+Q binded to quit game should Ctrl+Q
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DiaBlo UK
Killer Koalas
Kingdom of Butan
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Posted - 2008.10.12 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: The Vixen
Originally by: Cpt Branko
(a) ECCM works. Everyone in your force should have ECCM fitted. If anyone in a RR BS gang does not have a ECCM fitted, he's piloting a failboat and should Ctrl-Q.
(b) Your BS will still be out of the fight for 40-50% of the time assuming 1 jammer per BS.
Anyone in your fleet who still has Ctrl+Q binded to quit game should Ctrl+Q
Anyone in your fleets who hits Ctrl+Q by accident needs to hit Ctrl+Q rick
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one 
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
Trollin' with my homies!
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.12 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Doddy on 12/10/2008 20:33:05
Originally by: fightnkill
Originally by: Varus Riaz
It's chance based, so there's always a chance no matter how much ECCM you fit.
Really though, having your Falcon jam their Falcon is a much better counter than ECCM.
NOT everyone has a Falcon u know,
it's quiet a shame how Falcon is at least 5x stronger then its counterparts from other races.
LOL, you are funny. A falcon totally fitted to jam your racial ship type will occaissionally get through ECCM. A fleet-fit pilgrim/curse disrupting your 4 sniper bs is far more powerful tbh, just harder to use. Arazu/Lachesis is even more powerful but even harder to use. A huginn feels like the most powerful ship in the universe when it catches your inty 
Also their is a stacking penalty on eccm, projected eccm is better.
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Aniel Zaar
Gallente
Light of Orion
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Posted - 2008.10.12 20:44:00 -
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No need for more falcons to take out enemy ones. Arazu can easily damp it to under 50km, and the falcon is pretty much out of the battle.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.12 21:07:00 -
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I took a falcon out for a spin earlier, had a dominix cycle jammed using 2 minmatar racial jammers and a sacrilege perma jammed using 1 amarr jammer for about 9 or so cycles in a row, pretty cool ship huh?
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