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Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:33:00 -
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So I'm looking to lose some very expensive stuff in the most stupid way possible, and I figured wormholes would be a good bet.
Out of the 4 carriers, I'ma fly the Chimera, (3 RR, shield resists link, probe launcher), and take either 2 nightmares or 2 tengus into a hole, ream it for all it's worth, then run away like a sissy.
The idea is to abuse the capital escalation mechanic, to have more stuff to kill.
One thing that I don't get, though, is how to get the carrier in to the wormhole. All of the C4 entrances I can see have a maximum jumpable mass of 300m or 20m, whereas the Chimera is a fatty, weighing in at like 1.2b. Do I roam around in a Cheetah, trying to open wide K162s to the carrier, or am I messing up basic reading comprehension?
Thanks for your time. |

Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:43:00 -
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Angel HUNG wrote:So I'm looking to lose some very expensive stuff in the most stupid way possible, and I figured wormholes would be a good bet.
Out of the 4 carriers, I'ma fly the Chimera, (3 RR, shield resists link, probe launcher), and take either 2 nightmares or 2 tengus into a hole, ream it for all it's worth, then run away like a sissy.
The idea is to abuse the capital escalation mechanic, to have more stuff to kill.
One thing that I don't get, though, is how to get the carrier in to the wormhole. All of the C4 entrances I can see have a maximum jumpable mass of 300m or 20m, whereas the Chimera is a fatty, weighing in at like 1.2b. Do I roam around in a Cheetah, trying to open wide K162s to the carrier, or am I messing up basic reading comprehension?
Thanks for your time.
Bernie's Fun Wormhole Fact of the Day:
Capital ships can only fit into c5 and c6 holes. If you wish to have capitals in smaller holes, you will have to manufacture them in that hole using a X-Large Ship Assembly Array.
Also, just run a c4 with one or two tengus. Faster!
Second fun fact: Can't escalate anything smaller than a c5. |

Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:48:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Bernie's Fun Wormhole Fact of the Day:
Capital ships can only fit into c5 and c6 holes. If you wish to have capitals in smaller holes, you will have to manufacture them in that hole using a X-Large Ship Assembly Array.
Also, just run a c4 with one or two tengus. Faster!
Second fun fact: Can't escalate anything smaller than a c5. Thought XLSAAs needed sov to anchor.
Well, that's gay. May as well look into C5s, then. Woo.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1512073-0 was what made me assume. |

Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:57:00 -
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Cap ship arrays need sov. X-Larges, not so much. |

Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:00:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Cap ship arrays need sov. X-Larges, not so much. icic
Where could I find out about inhabitation rates of C5s, without spending a week in my trusty rustbucket covops? |

Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:03:00 -
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Find an alliance with c5 inhabitants, go scanning about, use dotlan...
I recommend the first though. Easiest way to find a group that interests you. |

Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:08:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Find an alliance with c5 inhabitants, go scanning about, use dotlan...
I recommend the first though. Easiest way to find a group that interests you. I meant to find one that's empty, so it's easier to dive in safely.
How would dotlan do that? I can only find a page that details wormhole types. |

Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
152
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:14:00 -
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Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:Find an alliance with c5 inhabitants, go scanning about, use dotlan...
I recommend the first though. Easiest way to find a group that interests you. I meant to find one that's empty, so it's easier to dive in safely. How would dotlan do that? I can only find a page that details wormhole types.
Find an empty c5? Well, first, some questions. First, are you going to be living alone? Second, What size pos will you be using? Third, what static will you be trying to find?
You also have to figure on getting the carrier in and out, and who your potential neighbors will be. There's a lot of variables when it comes to finding a hole you know. |

Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:19:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:Find an alliance with c5 inhabitants, go scanning about, use dotlan...
I recommend the first though. Easiest way to find a group that interests you. I meant to find one that's empty, so it's easier to dive in safely. How would dotlan do that? I can only find a page that details wormhole types. Find an empty c5? Well, first, some questions. First, are you going to be living alone? Second, What size pos will you be using? Third, what static will you be trying to find? You also have to figure on getting the carrier in and out, and who your potential neighbors will be. There's a lot of variables when it comes to finding a hole you know. The general idea is a raiding party; go in, do as many sites as we can on a wednesday/thursday afternoon, then jump out again. No PoS, no setup time, everything safe when logged off. |

Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:25:00 -
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Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:Find an alliance with c5 inhabitants, go scanning about, use dotlan...
I recommend the first though. Easiest way to find a group that interests you. I meant to find one that's empty, so it's easier to dive in safely. How would dotlan do that? I can only find a page that details wormhole types. Find an empty c5? Well, first, some questions. First, are you going to be living alone? Second, What size pos will you be using? Third, what static will you be trying to find? You also have to figure on getting the carrier in and out, and who your potential neighbors will be. There's a lot of variables when it comes to finding a hole you know. The general idea is a raiding party; go in, do as many sites as we can on a wednesday/thursday afternoon, then jump out again. No PoS, no setup time, everything safe when logged off.
I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw? |

Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:32:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw? Blind luck.
But no, we've been doing this style of wormholing for a while in smaller ships, and very much know the risks, and feel like a chimera looks pretty cool, and that we should try it out.
Hell, I'd hate to stand outside the gates of CCP when they're closing for the final time, and regret never losing 3b+ in a poorly devised wormholing venture. Sounds fun. |

Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
152
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:36:00 -
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When you say "we", how many players you talking? |

Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:48:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:When you say "we", how many players you talking? 2, 3 accounts.
I know, balls to the wall. That's the idea.
We usually run our current stuff individually, though, 'cause let's face it, C3s are easy. |

Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:21:00 -
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Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:When you say "we", how many players you talking? 2, 3 accounts. I know, balls to the wall. That's the idea. We usually run our current stuff individually, though, 'cause let's face it, C3s are easy.
Good luck then man. One misstep and you're done. |

Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:22:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:When you say "we", how many players you talking? 2, 3 accounts. I know, balls to the wall. That's the idea. We usually run our current stuff individually, though, 'cause let's face it, C3s are easy. Good luck then man. One misstep and you're done. Sounds like fun! :D
Thanks for your help, bro. |

Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:26:00 -
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I'd say fly safe, but there's no fun in that.
Fly well, and hit that dscan like a baws. |

Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.03.31 22:09:00 -
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Find something with a low-sec entrance; fit up a cloak on your chimera, and sit a scout on the low-sec. Scout the entire wormhole to make sure there's a single entrance, and then run chimera/something else as your anomaly runners. Failing that, you can choose not to scout it, run 3 guys, and just spam D-scan and still make sure you have a cloak on the chimera to warp it out if possible (although in all honesty you'll probably have so many sleepers scramming you it won't matter).
Svo. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.03.31 23:07:00 -
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Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw? Blind luck. But no, we've been doing this style of wormholing for a while in smaller ships, and very much know the risks, and feel like a chimera looks pretty cool, and that we should try it out. Hell, I'd hate to stand outside the gates of CCP when they're closing for the final time, and regret never losing 3b+ in a poorly devised wormholing venture. Sounds fun.
You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in.
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Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:31:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw? Blind luck. But no, we've been doing this style of wormholing for a while in smaller ships, and very much know the risks, and feel like a chimera looks pretty cool, and that we should try it out. Hell, I'd hate to stand outside the gates of CCP when they're closing for the final time, and regret never losing 3b+ in a poorly devised wormholing venture. Sounds fun. You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in. Incorrect, you can get straight in from k-space. Doesn't have to be a static. |

discordigant
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:49:00 -
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Ohh dear god please post these kill mails you will receive soon to entertain me On a side note need anyone to scout for you? 
You really need to read a guide or two before you go down this crazy path. The reason i say this is when your in a raiding party i am assuming you are going to find these holes from HS, if this is the case then you are going through hole that for the most part that have been opened by someone and all chains throughout these open holes have been mapped by people like me hunting any strays we can find. And you will be damn lucky to find a HS access to a C5 or C6, these will be found deep withing chains and there will be people with scouts on these chains hoping to god to hear the sound of noobs coming through the chains.
I do like your free caring attitude though, but WH's are much safer when you live in them and farm when you have all closed holes or farm in statics when you control the exits and scout the locals out.
Again please let me scout ahead for you........
EDIT: Spelling gods are against me. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:50:00 -
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Angel HUNG wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw? Blind luck. But no, we've been doing this style of wormholing for a while in smaller ships, and very much know the risks, and feel like a chimera looks pretty cool, and that we should try it out. Hell, I'd hate to stand outside the gates of CCP when they're closing for the final time, and regret never losing 3b+ in a poorly devised wormholing venture. Sounds fun. You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in. Incorrect, you can get straight in from k-space. Doesn't have to be a static.
You misunderstood my point. That is exactly what I was saying. You will have to find an INBOUND random WH to a C5. Which are far more rare than the typical K162 you likely used to raid lower class WH's. |

Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:10:00 -
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Cap escalating C5 sites when you only have one carrier is.... mmm... not the best idea, especially with only a couple Tengus to assist. But since you said you want to lose expensive stuff in a dumb way, you should go for it. It certainly fits the bill  |

Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
163
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:06:00 -
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This is going to end hilariously if you dont have a triage mod and a cap trasnfer on that chimera. thus, i fully support your venture. |

Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:56:00 -
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Start in a wh system with static cl5 , may be? Use it as base of operations. Need to make sure the connection to cl5 is big enough to get a carrier through and has enough capasity to provide the back trip . You'l need to log out the carrier in the base system and keep a scanner alt in it.
There are some wh cl2 systems with static cl5 ( or 6 dont know right now ) and a k-space static ( leading to null sec, if i recall it correctly). You'l need to do some research.
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Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:37:00 -
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Sola Mercury wrote:Start in a wh system with static cl5 , may be? Use it as base of operations.
There are some wh cl2 systems with static cl5 ( or 6 dont know right now ) and a k-space static ( leading to null sec, if i recall it correctly). You'l need to do some research.
There's no way to ever take a carrier to or out of a C2 (or C1, C3, C4). Thus, there will never be a hole in a C2 system that's big enough to fit the carrier. The type of C2's you're thinking of have a E545 (null sec) and a N062 (C5) statics, with the N062 having a 300,000,000 kg limit for max mass per jump. That's an Orca with a prop mod activated.
If you want a system as a base of operations into a C5, it will have to be a C5 with a H296 (C5) static, or a C6 with a V911. I don't suggest taking up residence in a C6, but finding an empty C5 with a H296 is possible, and it's not quite as suicidal as a C6 (no, I'm not talking about Sleepers). H296 is good for 3 cap ship trips, so bringing a carrier in and out is possible if the hole is fresh. That said, again, a single carrier with support from only a couple of T3's in any C5 anom is generally royally screwed, and you won't be able to take a carrier and a dread (plus a few subcaps) through a H296 and then bring them back. It's *possible* to farm C5 anoms with just a single cap ship, though relatively inefficiently. Hell, it's possible to solo some in a subcap even, but you're better off just soloing C3's in a Tengu. |

Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:56:00 -
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Ajita al Tchar wrote: ...good post as usual... Thanks for the info!
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Farang Lo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:02:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw? Blind luck. But no, we've been doing this style of wormholing for a while in smaller ships, and very much know the risks, and feel like a chimera looks pretty cool, and that we should try it out. Hell, I'd hate to stand outside the gates of CCP when they're closing for the final time, and regret never losing 3b+ in a poorly devised wormholing venture. Sounds fun. You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in. since when??? |

discordigant
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:26:00 -
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Farang Lo wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Angel HUNG wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw? Blind luck. But no, we've been doing this style of wormholing for a while in smaller ships, and very much know the risks, and feel like a chimera looks pretty cool, and that we should try it out. Hell, I'd hate to stand outside the gates of CCP when they're closing for the final time, and regret never losing 3b+ in a poorly devised wormholing venture. Sounds fun. You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in. since when???
Read on son read on...  |

Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
163
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Posted - 2012.04.01 10:21:00 -
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yup, most def gonna end in hilarity.... i would recommend joining a WH crop that knows what they are doing. |

Angel HUNG
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.01 10:36:00 -
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discordigant wrote:Ohh dear god please post these kill mails you will receive soon to entertain me  On a side note need anyone to scout for you?  You really need to read a guide or two before you go down this crazy path. The reason i say this is when your in a raiding party i am assuming you are going to find these holes from HS, if this is the case then you are going through hole that for the most part that have been opened by someone and all chains throughout these open holes have been mapped by people like me hunting any strays we can find.  And you will be damn lucky to find a HS access to a C5 or C6, these will be found deep withing chains and there will be people with scouts on these chains hoping to god to hear the sound of noobs coming through the chains. I do like your free caring attitude though, but WH's are much safer when you live in them and farm when you have all closed holes or farm in statics when you control the exits and scout the locals out. Again please let me scout ahead for you........  EDIT: Spelling gods are against me. How exactly would I get a carrier into HS?
I'm going through mostly lowsec, but also some quiet nullsec, scouting for holes, and usually trying to find one buried only and exactly 1 hole deep, to minimise the risks of both people finding chains out, and curious people poking their heads in.
That said, C5s aren't exactly as numerous as C3s, so if one's uninhabited, I'll very much so consider it.
Which guide would you recommend I read? Is anyone else crazy enough to attempt this and survive? I'll wager "no". I'm gonna pioneer, then brag about it.
OR. Lose everything. And brag about it. |
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