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Quizzicality
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:06:00 -
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OK so we have something on the overview that now shows you who is scramming/webing/dampening etc you, why not have something for miners that shows which roid is already being mined? You could even go further and show which one is being mined by your group and which one is being mined by somebody outside your group. I'm sure it would be easy to code and would be a great help to all things mined.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.13 21:50:00 -
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I can see where your going with this... but your idea needs refinement.
What happens if you end up in a area with a ton of miners chewing away?
Refine it a bit for and you just might get some support.
^_^
Pardon the puns...
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Quizzicality
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:39:00 -
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I'm not sure what more to add. On the overview there should be a little icon next to every roid, just like the icons that tell you who is warp scrambling you etc. This icon will serve to show you if a roid is already being mined by somebody else, that is it's only purpose. Maybe it could even tell you who exactly is mining it in the tool tip when you mouse over it. The icon could also be multi-colored, white for neutral, green for corp members and purple for fleet members.
This helps in just that situation that you mentioned, when you have a ton of people mining the same belt so they aren't "mining over" each other. Mining the same roid is counter productive because if 2 people are mining the same roid and one person kills it before the other one whoever's mining lasers finish first gets all the ore, and the other person doesn't get anything. At present the only way to counter this is to carefully select roids in space that don't have a laser on them (which is tedious and also can throw you out of alignment if you're clicking on a roid too fast and start to move toward it instead of selecting it), or to just randomly pick roids on the overview and hope you don't overlap other people.
This is an easy solution to the problem and a sure fire way to keep people from mining the same roid.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.10.14 18:20:00 -
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Could you not just move to another belt?
I don't think this would be worth the programming effort, given other priorities.
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Barwinius
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:10:00 -
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You can already uses tags can you not? |
procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.10.15 14:19:00 -
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it would be handy and if it doesn't take vast amounts of programming effort for some reason then why not?
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JEDeyeMASTER
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:54:00 -
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I agree...someting more comprehensive then the 'Tag' Column should be developed.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Quizzicality
Mining the same roid is counter productive because if 2 people are mining the same roid and one person kills it before the other one whoever's mining lasers finish first gets all the ore, and the other person doesn't get anything.."
1) Why is this such a bad thing? It makes sense that if you can mine more than the other person and finish your cycle first that you get the resulting ore. If the asteroid "pops", then that is just bad luck for the slower miner.
2) You can already clearly see who is mining which asteroid, simply by observing mining laser activity. I contest that it isn't a difficult thing to do.
3) Just because there is a message that an asteroid is already being mined doesn't mean someone has to pay it any attention, or respect.
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Quizzicality
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Quizzicality
Mining the same roid is counter productive because if 2 people are mining the same roid and one person kills it before the other one whoever's mining lasers finish first gets all the ore, and the other person doesn't get anything.."
1) Why is this such a bad thing? It makes sense that if you can mine more than the other person and finish your cycle first that you get the resulting ore. If the asteroid "pops", then that is just bad luck for the slower miner.
2) You can already clearly see who is mining which asteroid, simply by observing mining laser activity. I contest that it isn't a difficult thing to do.
3) Just because there is a message that an asteroid is already being mined doesn't mean someone has to pay it any attention, or respect.
First of all, I don't expect a non-miner to understand at all, but I'll try to enlighten you regardless.
This has almost nothing to do with mining in public areas with random people you don't know. I don't care who gets the ore first in those situations, in fact I generally try to mine the same roid as somebody else if I don't know them simply because they are mining my roids and it's a way of staking a claim.
This idea is intended for groups of people who are mining together and sharing the profits. Their #1 priority is to mine as much ore as possible in the shortest amount of time. Mining the same roid is counter productive if this is your goal.
And lastly, why do you care so much? Not only is this a good idea, but this is an easily implementable addition in a sea of other additions. Did you see the last patch notes? 90% of it was nitpicky stupid stuff, and if you think this is a nitpicky stupid addition, then 1 more won't hurt will it. Anything that makes mining easier is good for everybody.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:54:00 -
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First of all, try not to make assumptions about what other people do in EVE - I'll take a moment to enlighten you.
For most of this year, I mine on my industry Alt most days I'm online because of limitations in my life placed on my ability to pay the due attention required for the kind of extensive 0.0 PvP I would otherwise be able to enjoy and as I used to do quite frequently. Mining is much less demanding on my resources so I can usually get away with it and with some success. Often I mine alone, though I'm happy to say that sometimes I don't and the company has been very good.
So I think I know what I'm talking about and I don't particularly care for your automatic "WHY DOESN'T ANYONE UNDERSTAND ME?" attitude based on absolutely nothing other than fobbing off what I've said even before you've begun to make a proper response to it.
Now, if you read my second point again you'll see that I clearly state that I can (personally) consistently tell which asteroid is already being mined, though I see that you probably didn't understand what I said because what I meant conflicts with what you've gone on to say about what I said - I generally have no problem with working out which asteroid the beam is striking, I don't have the difficulty with it that you've reported.
I said that (in my experience) I can tell who is mining which asteroid, simply by observing the mining laser activity - which means both watching for who is using the laser and where the laser is striking. I still contest that it isn't a difficult thing to do. Perhaps I'm having a better graphical experience than some other players are.
In the case of a gang mining, I would expect some form of gang communication to exist either in chat, EVE Voice or an external equivalent of it - such as Ventrilo. Therefore I wouldn't think it too difficult to believe it possible that when confusion in the gang arises about who is already mining which particular asteroid, the most likely suspect could be quickly asked to describe the rock/s they're already mining.
Another idea that comes to mind, is using a Target Painter as a laser pointer before asking for a whole UI change. Did you consider posting in (or notice) the Features & Ideas Discussion forum before posting your unpolished concept here?
Your main complaint is that the most sure way to avoid the problem is tedious ...
Welcome to EVE. Tried to unanchor a large POS + numerous structures lately?
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