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Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.14 23:55:00 - [1] Originally by: Shmak DatAsh 23k people online when normally at this time theres app 40k. Great job CCP!!!! /end sarcasm At this time of night 22k is normal, don't be so tabloid!
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.14 23:57:00 - [2] Originally by: ArmyOfMe the nano changes that a very large portion of the game says they dont want(and yet you still dont post any replies to threads containing valid arguments, and worries about those changes) So the whole live dev-blog thing with the devs answering peoples questions about the speed nerfs on-air last week totally passed you by?
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 01:00:00 - [3] Originally by: Grytok There's alot of new MMO's starting like Earthrise, that will be very attractive for EvE-players of today. Having trouble seeing the bit of 'Earthrise' that lets me fly a spaceship and engage in non-concensual PvP, whilst being vavsour of my own market. Basically p*ss off, if you didn't like EVE when you did play it, what makes you think you're anymore wanted here for complaining that you cant play it without paying for it, eh ? Not Welcome, go away.
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:54:00 - [4] Originally by: altholder05 Acctualy it killed 1 of the best points for myself to play this game aswell as holding it up for my friends trying to make them join. You mean the reason where you get the benefits of playing, without paying ?
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Tervilious i think you all money grabbing b*%$ú!"$% if you ask me some people run busy lives ccp or dont you understand that playing eve for a living not to mention for free Why should you get a free ride, if you're too busy to play? Ridiculous argument; you want CCP to let you play the game for free because you don't have enough time to play the game ....
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Ratio Legis Last time I checked "playing" required me actually logging in? The price of the subscription includes the ability to log in and play AND the ability to skill up one character. So far people have had the option of skilling up without playing, now they need to pay the full price of skilling AND playing even if they don't want to do the latter. It seems reasonable and fair to have the option of a discount if you only intend to use a service partially, especially in the case where no special support is required on the part of the service provider. Agreed, but I think your in the minority in this thread, you're actually thinking it through.
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:29:00 - [7] Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Grimnir Originally by: Tervilious i think you all money grabbing b%$ú!"$% if you ask me some people run busy lives ccp or dont you understand that playing eve for a living not to mention for free Why should you get a free ride, if you're too busy to play? Ridiculous argument; you want CCP to let you play the game for free because you don't have enough time to play the game .... Read as: RABBLE I dONT CARE IF CCp cheaTs AnD LIES!! I TAKE IT UP THE ASS AND LIKE IT!!! Sorry bud, but this isn't about "removing ghost training", too bad you fanboi's are way to deep up the rear end of CCP to realize that. Once again for the slow and *****ed: First it was the GM scandal of using war changing ships which they were not allowed to do. Then it was about them giving T2 BPO's to a certain corp when they didn't earn them. Then it was about GM's who were in the same alliance giving back ships to their corp mates/alliance mates/friends while telling others who were involved in the same engagement "Oh sorry, our logs show no lag so your screwed" all the meanwhile their shiesty ass friends come in to a grid hotdrop all the fighters at once they can and lock the grid. Then it was the banning of the guy who blew the whistle on all of this because they wanted him to shut up. Then the price hike and GTC change. Now this This was just the final straw for a lot of people... but you keep on paying for your right to be cheated. Just because there is a history of gripes; they are not all related and should be judged on their invidivual 'merits'. Yeah, CCP haven't done a great job of announcing this change but its got nothing to do with the Bobgate scandals. But I see it now, ad hominem. CCP has done bad things, so this must be a bad thing Look, to use an analogy, if you stopped paying for your lvl68 warrior in wow for a month, would you expect to come back and find that you could use a epic flying mount ? No, plain and simple. And it wouldn't be fair to anyone who spent the time grinding, if you could. It's the same thing here in Eve, but some of you are so caught up in this "CCP did some bad things so they can never be able to do a good thing" that you're being unreasonable about something that makes perfect sense.
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Kev Hunter The game you're talking about is WoW. WoW doesn't have time based training. You actively play it. Use an example of an MMO where they used time based training instead of constant use based. Otherwise your point is irrelevant. I think the points very relevant; you want CCP to do something for you, without paying for it - I was highlighting the absurdity of that. If I knew another time-based game that I had experience of, I'd have used that. Originally by: Kev Hunter See my previous replies to your quotes. It is not the same. It's just another bad decision on CCP's part. And this one just might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. He's not being unreasonable, you're just clueless. It's clueless to assume that CCP were going to let freeloaders get away with it forever; but if we're going to revert to this level all I can say to you is ... Aww diddums.
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Tachoh There is a scandal when there REALLY DID NOT NEED TO BE. Very much this.
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 17:12:00 - [10] Edited by: Grimnir on 15/10/2008 17:12:28 Originally by: Lana Ground anyone know what the new warhammer MMO is like??? might go and buy that and see what they're DEVS and GM's are like...actually someone tell me some half decent MMO's -2 Put it this way, War is lagged to hell and there are NO official forums. Way to save on moderators gg But if you have a DAOC account you can get a free hat or something ... Trust me EVE is the best MMO out there, regardless of what you think of its staff. This whole situation doesn't affect the gameplay in anyway, other then making it less laggy for all the folks who've not ragequit :)

Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:24:00 - [11] Originally by: ZeCamerone Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website. How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize. Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor. Torfi I think EvE would still be a one-of-a-kind game if you had to spend that much time ONLINE in order to progess... You don't have to spend that much time online, you just have to pay for your character; what's so difficult about this concept ?
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Cyxopyc Originally by: VLAD DRACU <<on Wednesday, Oct 15th, CCP will put out a server update disabling "ghost training">> when were they supposed to patch it, during dt? coz right now I just consumed 1 x 30d GTC from my secret reserve to reactivate one ghosttraining account but i found out that the char was still grinding the SP's whas this whole madness just a prank to get more money, did they reconsider it or the job runs in background processing one inactive account a minute? It may be that accounts that were inactive before October 15 2008 and training continued to train... They said that a character has to be inactive for a few days before its skill will be terminated. It wasn't a kill switch that would be engaged today and every recurring downtime.
Grimnir	Posted - 2008.10.16 11:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Don Shadow Show me ANY mmo where you need at least 1(ONE)YEAR of training to be able to use a ****ing armor or sword! Show my ANY mmo where you can use the biggest and best armor or swords without having to either pay for your account or spend any time at it.

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