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Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.17 13:35:00 - [1] I love how they "fix" this so-called bug, and don't bother to fix the fact that windows now bounce all over the place, something that **es me off every day**. The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:45:00 - [2] Originally by: BIind Thread is visible again, heh. Funny that. The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.18 22:57:00 - [3] Originally by: Rektide Also it is massively unjust that there are thousands of players who have developed armies of Cap-Ship alts using this avenue, and that anyone who joins your game now will not have that option. You are giving the early players a massive and unfair advantage versus any one who is playing now. But why should new people be allowed the same priveleges the older chars had? Shame on them for taking ages to join the game. I guess. The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.18 23:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Ramblin Man Hurray, the thread returns! + respect for making it so and stickifying it Personally, I still think, Cold training > No cold training If you look at it on a macro level... people cold train and sell their characters ('most disruptive' case). Result? Characters are much cheaper for people looking to buy them (primarily people who spend a lot of time playing [good] or people who are new to the game [also good, since they can buy ISK via GTCs]). No cold training? Increased ISK-per-SP rate (consequence of increased SP-per-$ rate), meaning more expensive characters, meaning slower advancement for people who spend a lot of time playing and less of an opportunity for new players to 'catch up' via character buying). Farmers? Really? It doesn't exactly take a ton of SPs to effectively drive a Raven. PvP desire for SP (specifically capital-stage) >> PvE desire for SP. So all this really does is... Effectively "stretch" existing content (specifically end-game skills), or alternately charge more for existing content (as would cost more to reach it) Effectively "grandfather" in older players superiority over newer players (as they bought-the-skills more cheaply) One of the things I liked about EVE was that it trended towards being more about tactics and player skill than "ingame skill." Unfortunately, by making ingame skill harder to come by you're pushing that balance back the wrong way. No further comments required. Well said. The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.18 23:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Hong Lihua PLEAZE CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF OR ALL YOUR ISK?!!!! This line wasn't funny the first 7 centillion times it was written, either. :/ The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.19 09:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Lord Fitz In fact any one who has a high SP char will benefit in this way, making it only harder for new players. Well, at least new players haven't been screwed before. Oh...wait... The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.20 14:17:00 - [7] Edited by: Gunnanmon on 20/10/2008 14:19:36 Originally by: Jaben Thore Mr Barker, as i'm new, could you please help me out on the main point you made.. If CCP wanted more money, wouldn't it be more profitable for them to keep ghost training in? As you (and many others) have highlighted before, many of the alt accounts, along with a significant proportion of the main accounts, will be deleted as a result of this controversial bug fix. Surely this will result in an overall loss of revenue for CCP? As CCP have presided over a successful MMO business for quite some time now, i'd be surprised if they hadn't taken this in to consideration before hand. Perhaps their reasoning is based on a fundamental belief that the current ghost training set up goes against the interests of the average player and a sense of fair play. shrugs I'd be surprised if this came into effect, and shocked, too. With the eradication of ghost training alts, they now become inactive accounts. Surely that's the same as someone that's just taking a break. Imagine their...erm...displeasure if they wanted to come back and found their accounts deleted. I am of the persuasion that a part-paid for account is better thhn no account. I will be combining a lot of my accounts. So the partial revenue they get from them will be gone. Do CCP really think that people will succumb and keep all their accounts active at all times? lol EDIT - and this advantage ghost trainers get over others...rofl. If that's the case, why doesn't everyone just get ghost training alts. Admittedly that costs either cash or ISK. Some people don't have either spare, granted. That means that people able to buy GTCs and sell for isk are at an advantage over the rest. So ban GTC sales for isk, in the interest of fairness, ofc. The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.20 18:31:00 - [8] 1 possible ramification of this act: The price of GTCs goes down. Reasoning: Currently the supply/demand for/of GTCs seems to be fairly similar, prices are usualyl between 450 and 500m. If people move alts to the same account, their need for GTCs could very well go down. So less people buying them will mean sellers undercutting one another to sell them. Also, less people might cough up the $35 to buy them if the price goes down too far. Less money for CCP there. Then again, if the price drops markedly, other people might pick up the slack and start buying them instead of paying RL cash for the game. Anything's possible. As an aside; if in 2 or 3 months, once the proverbial's hit the fan, they decide to reverse their decision, and reactivate "ghost-training", that'll be a nice little injection of cash when people move chars onto their own accounts, again. The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.20 21:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Sandy Minge In the end, this seems to be the Katharsis after which some of us will finally be able to let EvE go... Never a truer word said. I need to leave Eve. I'm addicted, so I could never bring myself to do it. There's now a turkey standing at my door, and he's shivering. The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.20 22:42:00 - [10] I just reactivated a "ghost-training" account. Evemon says it had 1d5h to go. In game, the skill has stopped, it had 4d16h left. Basically DT on Friday is when it stopped. The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P	Posted - 2008.10.20 23:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Malafor Originally by: Gunnanmon I just reactivated a "ghost-training" account. Evemon says it had 1d5h to go. In game, the skill has stopped, it had 4d16h left. Basically DT on Friday is when it stopped. I used to have something on the "My Account" section that said it was recurring. I figured though after 5 years of playing that it must simply have been a bug, so I've "fixed" it and it no longer says anything of the sort. -1 Account. Two more have just a couple of months to run before they get fixed too. Aye, that's a recurring bug. A nasty one, too. The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.21 22:10:00 - [12] :-\| The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.22 02:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Carsidava I don't know if this question has been asked or answered... If my account goes inactive while a skill is training, does that skill automatically start training once I re-subscribe? No. The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.22 09:46:00 - [14] This account expires tomorrow, so tomorrow I'll move this alt to one of my other active accouts. Then they have 3 weeks to reverse this diabolical decision, cos once I've moved a lot of my alts to a few active accounts, there's no going back. I wont be coughing up once/if they change it after that. The clock's ticking, fools. The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.22 12:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Dirk Bond And why on earth is this so important to them now? Why not spend time making some kind of filter that stops randomly bashed names like 'sdhsihfsoifh' or 'xsdnnxiowniw' from ever being created? Irrelevant aside; when I used to play Earth and Beyond there was a filter like this. When you made a new char the game would censor it. If it was too ridiculous, like those 2 above, it didnt allow you to use the name. Macro-isk-farmers are one thing, but at least have the decency to make a name that's semi-decent. "wervwrey6wqerf", ffs. The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.22 12:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Kerfira PS: I can't belive y'all are still crying That much crying just means one thing, that you're so hooked on the game you'll continue playing For me this might very well be the case. But I'll still have all my chars, and CCP will see far less income from me. About half, actually. And since my alts are all well over 40m SP they're more than capable be used efficiently without more training. The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Locke Diedrake I have an alt, with a 35 day skill training going, if I don't pay for it this month, while the account is inactive will the skill training still run? I have no use for the alt until such time as the skills are done, and money is tight this month. Originally by: Wrangler Characters are not deleted, since it doesn't take up much server space anyway. Technically there's only a 6 month guarantee though, but people have come back after more than a year of absence to find their character just the way they left it. And yes, skill training continues even if your account is deactivated. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.23 02:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Braxiglox Hrrglxbrwimple Originally by: Ronwe But can someone pls give a me a good reason why someone needs four or more accounts? Fundamentally it's none of your damned business, but since it's a recurring misconception here I'll answer your question. I never intended to have nine accounts. Back when I had just one, we were able to fire up a trial and run it alongside a paid account. So I did that, to create a mini-hauler to haul for my miner. After investing the effort of training I couldn't let it go, and converted the trial to a paid account. I ended up doing that a few times before they blocked the use of trial accounts and paid accounts from the same computer. I got to where I was mining in four Ospreys, a real clickfest if there ever was one. Somet time later a close friend I had dragged into Eve with a Christmas present of a couple of 90-day GTCs flaked out and went back to WoW. I inherited two of his three accounts. Another I developed during a time when I had let all my others expire as punishment for something CCP did to really annoy me. During that time I got bored, started a new trial, and experimented with developing the char from nothing, with no help from my others, who were all inactive. Again, once I had invested time and effort training this new char I couldn't let it go, so in time it became part of my stable of paid, active chars. Now I have nine chars with SP of 33 mil, 32 mil, 25 mil, 25 mil, 25 mil, 25 mil, 19 mil, 16 mil and 8 mil. Originally specialized, they are mostly now cross trained. My miners can haul, my haulers can mine, they all fly battleships, most fly battlecruiser and cov ops, and some fly logistics, HAC, HIC, freighter, interceptor, mindlink booster ship, etc. I fly my own mining fleet. The five Hulks in the fleet get 1867 yield on each Strip II, 22km range, and 139.5 second cycle time. Mining finally became a good use of my time. This last is important because I don't have very much time left in this life, so time is very dear. Inefficient use of my time is no longer acceptable. I only ever made light use of the unsubbed training feature. It never worked out well that when I allowed an account to expire for other reasons I had a good, long skill ready to go. Usually I ended up training nothing or, at best, a relatively short skill. And usually I reactivated even before an unsubbed skill had "completed." Nor have I ever bought or sold any char. So "char farming" for sale isn't the case here, either. So questioning multiple accounts, or more than four accounts, is somewhat like questioning the number of cars I have, or the number of TVs or phones in my house. It's none of your business but if you have access to the information it becomes an "Oh, I see." But only if you're smart enough to learn. Are you? Wow, that's remarkably similar to my own story. Except my little army plough through L4s for the most part, instead of mining. Although I did run a mining team in 0.0, a few years ago. o7 The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.23 13:33:00 - [19] The question I want to get an answer for is this: Why even bother to remove it? I highly doubt it will increase revenue, from everything I've read. If anything, it will cause a decrease. And who is it unfair to? It sure as hell isnt unfair to the players that don't use it. Why? Because the option was available to everyone. Everyone. Every. One. Other people chose not to use it, that's up to them. The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.24 09:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Fivo Asia When KOTOR 3 hits I'm going to quickly tired of waiting a year for a Black Ops ship. And people question why others have so many bloody accounts. Because you HAVE to, or you're missing out on the majority of the game. You need a lot of accounts, each trained in a different area.
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.23 10:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Twarda Sztuka Ghost training was available for many years. Plenty of people did that (often unaware that this is a bug). And it costed CCP revenue. So once the decision was made it was resolved almost immediately. I wonder how many years we will have to wait for skill queuing. I don't mind the fact that only paying accounts should be able to train, but the training should be PAUSED and the moment subsription is paid it should be RESUMED. omg The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Midas Man Originally by: Twarda Sztuka Ghost training was available for many years. Plenty of people did that (often unaware that this is a bug). And it costed CCP revenue. So once the decision was made it was resolved almost immediately. I wonder how many years we will have to wait for skill queuing. I don't mind the fact that only paying accounts should be able to train, but the training should be PAUSED and the moment subsription is paid it should be RESUMED. What is your stance on the Datacore Farmers?, ie set up research job lapse subscription and wait 6 months, Reactivate and reap the rewards of unsubbed research???? Shhhh, don't say anything, maybe they'll not change it 4tw. \o/ The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.12.24 02:22:00 - [23] Edited by: Gunnanmon on 24/12/2008 02:25:59 Edited by: Gunnanmon on 24/12/2008 02:24:46 Edited by: Gunnanmon on 24/12/2008 02:24:18 Edited by: Gunnanmon on 24/12/2008 02:24:00 Edited by: Gunnanmon on 24/12/2008 02:23:19 Originally by: Chani Fedaykin everytime i check this thread, i am astonished again, that ppl start to post with no or nearly no clue what this thread is (mainly) about. btw: thanks to all those that are still subscribed and keep on posting with my opinion - because i was not able to post nor will i be able to post in 5 days again. to all you 'fanboys' out there - as you can obviously see, some ppl do stand by their word and do stop using a product if they are not satisfied with the behaviour / crm of the seller. so to all those that frequently use the phrase 'accept it or quit' ... thats what enough of the previous posters do - but of course, those that stop paying at all wont be able to give you this nice little feedback thanks to ccp's policy to restrict posting to active accounts. only those that still have an active subscription - because they either paid in advance or decided to just reduce their accounts - are able to post here (and those that use ccp's 'generous' offer for 5days :P ) gratz to glengrant btw - you seem to be the first 'pro-unpaid-training-removal' person that is able to articulate himself properly. i dont have to reply to this post however thanks to squirrel (as usually) status: -1 account (semi paid) thanks to gtc price hype -1 account (mostly paid) thanks to unpaid training removal -1 account (fully paid) thanks to ccp's behaviour / crm I had edited this reply, and added my own comments, but the phu-cking sh11ty forums decided to ignore my reply and just drop the above sh-1t instead, gj you kunts. 2nd Edit: Nice to see that "ph-uck" is censored" 3rd edit: and "sh1-t" 4th edit: God forbid we use words that are deemed by .....erm...someone, I guess, as being bad. Oh well, hyphens 4tw. The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:53:00 - [24] Originally by: OneSock Well since I let my account lapse, CCP sent me a 5 day extension to tease me back in. Might as well use it, but no it's not going to make me resub. After this I'll prob play WoW and maybe resub a couple of months when the next content turns up. With a bit of luck they'll do another 5 day thing to entice people back then, too. And I can harvest my DCs on my research accounts at the same time. Everyone's a winner \o/ The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.15 16:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Lesique Or is it all about the money? Is this point even in question at this stage? The Ghost-training vote thread
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.03.04 04:33:00 - [26] Originally by: Demon Azrakel to the previous 6081 posters even if you are not quitting...can i have your stuff?? A highly original post, worthy of a reply.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.06.06 16:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Lucjan Originally by: Carsidava If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts? Why are only skill points being hit? Probably because they don't 12 more 205 page threads. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.07.22 14:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Tesal Lots of whining in this thread. Ghost training was the thing to do for people whose only business was to sell accounts. Wrong. I did it a lot. I even bought 2, and sold 1 char. I'd read, and maybe even respond to the other stuff, but you started with a lie, so I can't be arsed. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Gunnanmon Gallente Imperial Syndicate Forces The Laughing Men	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:52:00 - [29] Originally by: BoomBoomGoons This still active, wow!!!! Who was training a 12 month skill and came back to find he got screwed :P Someone with really crap attributes. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator

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