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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:30:00 -
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Last year March EVE had 42.711 players logged in. Since then CCP have been losing (logged in) players. Whether this means more and more people are resorting to ghost training is unknown to me but it's obvious CCP have been losing money. Then the link provided to the current situation in Iceland says this.
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"Iceland is crippled with debt and giving UK depositors their funds may depend on the country securing emergency loans from other countries or the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
Its debt is an estimated about ú50bn, which is five times the total annual income of the country."
HOLY JESUS CHRITS!!! I thought the US was in bad shape, Iceland is bankrupt 5 times over! Iceland is going to replace Albania as Europes poorest country?
I have five accounts and pay for a sixth. I am addicted to EVE and will shamelessly admit it. I am, however, no fan of CCP as I see CCP as a Sony-like company who will do whatever it takes to squeeze money out of their players. I have always paid for my subscriptions to keep them training eventhough I could have let the payments slide and make use of Ghost Training. I don't see it as honourable and I am using a service and would like to pay for it. So, I do understand this move but to say it's a bug! That is nothing more than a blatant lie and that even angers me because do you really think we're all ******ed fanboi's who will accept whatever you say as gospel and will bend over like the AOC fanboi's who claimed the game was great eventhough the game crashed every few minutes?
And then you attempt to prohibit us from talking about the game? No need for us to do it, you have done more harm to the game by lying than any of us possibly could. Keep deleting threads and posts, though, it's the only thing you can do until there's nobody left. Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
That's pretty weak, even for a sycophant
Right, like just calling me names is such a powerful argument.
You are an idiotic fanboi. Shut up until you're ready to reveal who you actually are. I don't care whether you're in my corp, alliance, the GBC or whether you're a Goon, in MM, RZR or are a CCP employee. When you can stop being childish and hiding behind some year old NPC character come back and post. Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Morena Maganda
Crap...that's exactly what EA games did to the players of Earth Above and Beyond.
And what happened to Earth Above and Beyond? Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Liranan on 14/10/2008 04:50:13
Originally by: Erimisha
Originally by: Haldane Fisher
The only way to really get something done about this is the do a mass unsubscribe. I very much doubt it would actually happen, but it ought to work. If people could convince their corps/alliances to take a break for a month...
It is very easy to do. You still get to play until your sub runs out. However, CCP doesn't really *KNOW* if you're going to come back and resub after your account expires. I've seen mass unsubscribes work out very well in other MMOs once people understood that you aren't locked out of the MMO the very second you hit [Unsubscribe] on your account page.
I had 1 account in limbo already and already cancelled my 2 active accounts. *IF* CCP makes changes I can live with then I will simply resub when the 2 accounts expire. However CCP handles this fiasco will have to coincide with CCP bringing back 30 and 90 day GTCs to help keep 60d GTCs in check. If they (somehow) handle the whole "Ghost Training" herring better in the next day or so but not reinstate different GTCs then I'll have to think long and hard about moving all my 'main' character to 1 account. CCP will lose either way. How much they lose is up to them.
Look at this. Star Wars, Asherons Call, Age Of Conan, Sims Online, need I go on? People will unsubscribe if they see they are being screwed. I don't want to see CCP go bankrupt because then EVE will come to an end but, for **** sake, CCP ****ing pack it in. Lag, node crashes, unwanted expansions that add nothing but bugs to this. ****ing fix the game!!! Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: MetBuyer This thread is so long that I don't even think that my comment will be read by CCP. But here goes anyway.
I think from a making money perspective CCP hasn't done enough research on the habits of their customers.
The training on unsubscribed accounts has likely been increasing, but how many of those accounts are the 3rd or 4th account of one of their existing customers.
In the last year there's been a significant upshoot in subscriptions. I have a feeling it's partly due to the community getting the impression that running multiple accounts is normal and needed.
The main account will probably stay subscribed the whole time, but the 3rd or 4th account probably trains skills while unsubscribed. People's computers often can't easily run 4 accounts at the same time. They're getting these extra accounts mainly for the skill training.
Most likely many people will cut back on the accounts they have and newer players will decide not to get that 3rd or 4th account.
I guess also the increase amount of training while the account subscribed can also be attributed partly to the GTC prices and the real world economy.
I've read many threads about people putting their accounts into deactive training because of the GTC ISK prices that they cannot afford anymore.
The people suffering economically probably are just unsubscribing and putting on long skills because they hope to start playing again when they have more money.
My friend, the problem is not Ghost Training itself. The problem is the way it was presented to the players. CCP treated us like five year old monkeys who have no idea what we're doing. We should not have a problem with the chnage, looking at Icelands financial situation. What we should have a problem with is the next thing. Will CCP disable training when you log off and do they really think we're this stupid? Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Triksterism
So, for those of you who are for this removal of 'ghost training' -- Why? It's not like you can't do it all the same as the rest of the players in EvE. Anyone can ghost train so perhaps I fail to see the 'imbalance' -- Not to mention ghost training really isnt hurting anyone, it simply isn't squeezing as much money as possible out of everyone but it DOES make A LOT of people happy (or at least content) and hence, they stay subbed.
Age? I'm 30, what does that tell you? And I'm against Ghost Training. I know what you mean but you will find people of all ages for and against it, though from your post I get the hint you're saying younger players are more prone to be for it than older players.
Ghost training does cost CCP money because you pay for one month, set skill, disable account, log in three weeks later, change skill, disable account. A one month time card could last months this way and, I agree with CCP, it is not good for business.
I will repeat myself again. The problem of the majority of the posters is not about Ghost Training but about the lies spun by CCP. Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Triksterism
No, you read it correctly, he did not.
LOL speak of misunderstanding!! I r Idiot!1!
Hi AVA!!!! Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:33:00 -
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You guys are losing track of the real issue here. Iceland is literally bankrupt guys. This is no joke. Iceland is having to beg the most corrupt institution in the world (the IMF/World Bank) for money. While we all see companies go bankrupt and some of you might have lost jobs because of that imagine it on a nation wide scale!
They raised the price of time cards so they were in line with other MMO's. That is understandable and normal. They were allowing players to play for one month for free, that got changed. I have never been for ghost training and have only done it when my subsciptions ran out and couldn't pay that instance.
You guys need to stop accusing CCP of being greedy. CCP might have lost a lot of money when Icelandic banks collapsed, so they might have a hard time ahead of them.
What the real issue is CCP not telling us beforehand and not consulting with the players. The CSM exists for a reason, or maybe not. Another thing is the way they tried to spin this. You guys should be picking a problem with their claims that this is a bug, while they claim it's "A long overdue and much needed change".
Stop the whining about greed. CCP might have hard times ahead of them. Keep complaining about their presentation, that should be the real problem. Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Liranan on 14/10/2008 13:22:55
Originally by: Rramar Claime
Originally by: Dmian I only want to remember you all this:
Originally by: EULA, 10.E "New Releases of the Software" CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.
Originally by: TOS CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOUÆVE CREATED.
You've agreed to this terms. You should respect what you've agreed to.
Oh lol. And if they write in the eula, IF you agree to these terms you have to marry your brother at the next monday, you just have to respect and do it right? Afterall its the eula. I've got a light million dollar bet, that we would all still be playing eve if they had that line hidden in that document noone reads. No m8 it doesnt work like that.
LIES!! The EULA says you will put everything you own in CCP's name, you will divorce your wife and give her and your children to CCP, so they can be trained as toilet cleaners. Then you will borrow as much money as you can and put that into CCP's account too. You will then sign a confession accepting the fact that sky is blue and grass is green, that CCP is God, that God doesn't exist and that your mother is a man. You will then accept euthanasia. It doesn't work like this? PHAIL! The EULA says so!
DMian and Tos, you're fools. Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sahara Eternity
Well what you are saying is that you actualy have to "pay to wait" at least 8 - 12 months to board a cap ship (depending on the atributes of course - it cold take a lot longer if you want to use it close to decent), right? Just pay and watch the "progress bar" move a nanometer a day huh?
The traning system was designed to take time - especialy to kepp the dollars/euros come to them, this is why it costs you about 120 bucks to board a carrier, this is why it costs you about 360 bucks to board a mothership ... and the list can go on. I'm not saying that SP's are free but think about it, every one that is "ghost training" returns, and pays sooner or later.
I watch my SP bar move a nanometre everyday across five characters. Enough with the whining! Do I understand servicemen and women who set a skill and don't pay when they go on their tours? Yes I do but I have no sympathy. You get paid, just like the rest of us. You can't afford to pay a monthly subscription? Then you should refuse to serve under a regime that expects you to die but isn't willing to pay or support you (do we need to discuss pay cuts and the cuts on therapy but the increase on spending and the profits of the arms industry?). You really want to do something useful? Overthrow your regime. Faux says that's bad? Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play. Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.15 04:11:00 -
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This is a record! Even the T20 and the 'DEATH TO CCP AND BOB' threadnoughts started by the goons a year ago didn't have this many posts in them! Farjung is my God
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Liranan
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Posted - 2008.10.15 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Raastah Fedajin Ok, so if my subscription runs out, you stop my training. Fair enough.
But If my training runs out in the middle of the night and because not having a chance to train another skill while sleeping, do I now get my money back for the time I could not train? Because I am then not using the database, so saving u a lot, right?
But as your take the way your country goes, I am not surprised to hear excuses for what you accepted for YEARS !
Ah no, you just found out, right ??
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