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Malcanis
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:24:00 -
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OK that's a lot more honest, at least. Foolish, but plausible.
So why the terribly insulting rubbish (the word I really want to use just comes out as asterisks) about "game balance" in the initial announcement?
Did it ever occur to you that maybe - just maybe - a lot of people are kind of insecure in their financial position at the moment, and they're cutting back on unnecesarry expenses right now?
Did it occur to you that it might be a good idea to give them an incentive to return?
Did it occur to you that increasing the perceived cost of an alt - with 2 days notice - just after you finished a promotion to get people to reate alt accounts might be seen as just a teeny tiny bit like, you know, a good old fashioned bait-and-switch?
Anyway, you're losing two intermittent subs from me. Get one of those accounts from Lehman brothers - he'll tell you how to turn that into a net gain, I'm sure.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2008 23:22:50 I don't mind this change at all as my accounts have always been active, but...
..you'd better be real quick cleaning out the forums of historical CCP posts about this "feature" as it was, before you try to make out it is now a "bug".
good luck with that - unless they have a mod account at chribba's site too...
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Phyridean You don't suppose the recent surge you saw in this was people not having the extra cash for a game subscription hoping to come back in after the worldwide financial difficulties?
Doing this won't gain those players back, it will lose them. Irrevocably.
oooh, wait till next month's blog.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: Avon If you weren't paying for them all at the same time anyway, who cares?
Becauise now it'll go from 4 accounts active for 6 months of the year to 1 account active at the most. Best case scnario is that CCP have halved their income from that player.
To use the analogy from the blog: snowflakes. expand that to 1000 players and ccp's income has just taken a sizable hit.
A loophole that CCP devs have referred to as a feature...
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: ZW Dewitt
Originally by: Dev Blog Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
Yet you don't notice the huge avalance of ISK sellers with random names who are CONSTANTLY making new trial accounts to spam their ads?
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sanadis That's right CCP, show your real colors, keep deleting our posts that display the truth.
Edited by: Sanadis on 13/10/2008 23:59:48 I say good riddens to ghost training.
Even if this was promoted as a feature, it really is not a good one to the people who pay for the same thing someone else is getting while ghost training. I always keep my accounts active, no matter what. Losing a little skill training here and there is fine, but I actually PLAY the game while paying for it. It is only fair that ghost training is removed, because you should not get something that you are not paying for.
----------EDIT---------- BUT what is not fair is that you are lieing to us CCP, and I am disappointed!
http://www.webng.com/sanadis/pictures/lies.jpg
You have been promoting this "Bug" as a "Feature" up until now. Tell us the real reason behind its removal CCP!
Come on, someone quote me on this and see if they delete it
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDeej
Originally by: Sanadis That's right CCP, show your real colors, keep deleting our posts that display the truth.
Edited by: Sanadis on 13/10/2008 23:59:48 I say good riddens to ghost training.
Even if this was promoted as a feature, it really is not a good one to the people who pay for the same thing someone else is getting while ghost training. I always keep my accounts active, no matter what. Losing a little skill training here and there is fine, but I actually PLAY the game while paying for it. It is only fair that ghost training is removed, because you should not get something that you are not paying for.
----------EDIT---------- BUT what is not fair is that you are lieing to us CCP, and I am disappointed! CCP Lies
You have been promoting this "Bug" as a "Feature" up until now. Tell us the real reason behind its removal CCP!
Come on, someone quote me on this and see if they delete it
Quoted. And btw CCP deleting peoples posts is NOT gonna make this go away !!!
Streisand effect detected...
Want to bet this hits slashdot within 40 hours?
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Biosman
Quote: Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
The avalanche is definately gonna hit you ccp,wrecking for damage to your credibility now everyone can see that it is indeed part of a unique "feature" hence the RP gains earning isk.You do not have a leg to stand on and the only way to redeem yourselves is to backpedal on this unpopular idea pretty sharpish.
Tbh,I would have respected you more if you just said "Dear Eve users,ccp is having some difficulties atm with the global money crisis and unfortunately we need to raise the price a little,maybe for just a short period,to be able to bring you the service you deserve for all your years of loyalty"
This. They haven't raised the price in 5 years. Saying, OK, well shit happens, costs have gone up and we need an extra buck a month from you all to make stuff carry on working, then fine. I'd have just paid. There would have been a few grumbles, but what the hell - boxed single player games have gone up by rather more than this over the same period.
But flat out lying to us and then contradicting themselves with another lie...
...where's the respect, CCP?
When G.I.s shot themselves in the foot, it wasn't called a "million dollar wound" because they got a million dollars. I feel bad no-one explained this to you.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Denuo Secus Omg, I just don't get it!
So much rage about this change? I pay for this game. Point. And offline skilling is part of the game.
Some people complain that they can't longer pay effectively one and a half account and evolve three or four chars for that money?! Forming a char is playing EVE imho.
And to call CCP greedy is really uncool. I know MMOs where you have to pay for every expansion! CCP spent 50 man-years in Trinity I heard? Did anyone pay an extra fee for that? Only one example...
Payment Type:Credit Card Credit Card Details Change Payment MethodCancel Subscription Subscription Status:Active Subscription type:3 Months, Ç38.85 (Billed in Euros) Change Subscription Interval Next:05. December 2008 Total Charges Made:10
2006-10-06 Sale**** VISA19.95 EUR 2006-11-04 Sale**** VISA14.95 EUR 2007-03-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2007-06-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2007-09-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2007-12-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2008-03-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2008-06-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2008-09-05 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR Back
Payment Type:Credit Card Credit Card Details Change Payment MethodCancel Subscription Subscription Status:Active Subscription type:3 Months, Ç38.85 (Billed in Euros) Change Subscription Interval Next:18. December 2008 Total Charges Made:8
2006-10-06 Sale**** VISA19.95 EUR 2006-11-04 Sale**** VISA14.95 EUR 2007-03-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2007-06-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2007-09-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2007-12-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2008-03-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2008-06-04 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR 2008-09-05 Sale**** VISA38.85 EUR
Payment Type: CreditCard VISA **8858 Credit card details Change Payment Method Update Subscription Interval Subscription Status: Cancelled Will be suspended10/27/2008 Total Number Of Payments: 7 Cancel Subscription Cancellation Expires: 10/27/2008 4:45:32 PM Remaining Playtime: 13d:16h:13m
Last 5 Payments: PaymentID Date Amount Description Status ******* 7/29/2008 38.85 EUR Recurring Payment for 3 Month EVE Subscription Paid Authorized with confirmation code #******* ******* 4/30/2008 38.85 EUR Recurring Payment for 3 Month EVE Subscription Paid Authorized with confirmation code #******* ******* 1/31/2008 38.85 EUR Recurring Payment for 3 Month EVE Subscription Paid Authorized with confirmation code #******* ******* 11/2/2007 38.85 EUR Re-Activation of 3 Month EVE Subscription Paid Authorized with confirmation code #******* ******* 11/2/2007 38.85 EUR Recurring Payment for 3 Month EVE Subscription Failed REQUEST ******* VALUE **07 OF FIELD EXPIRYDATE IS NOT IN FORMAT MMYY ******* 8/4/2007 38.85 EUR Reccuring Payment for Paid Authorized with confirmation code #******* ******* 7/5/2007 19.95 EUR Paid Authorized with confirmation code #*******
CCP have had just under a thousand euros of my money. Damb. Didn't realise it was that much... it's things like this that make people take a look at the numbers, eh?
How much to not be flat-out lied to, I wonder?
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Malcanis
This. They haven't raised the price in 5 years. Saying, OK, well shit happens, costs have gone up and we need an extra buck a month from you all to make stuff carry on working, then fine. I'd have just paid.
Yeah, but right now they are making just the people with an army of accounts pay for it instead. Hey, better them then me.
Uh Lyria sweety, in case you haven't noticed, they're not going to pay for it. They're not going to pay anything at all now. At least, mine aren't: CCP's income from me just dropped by about a third.
So now you're going to get a $5 price rise instead of a $1.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Danny Centurai
Originally by: Daevien Steiner Just how many ways can you prove in one year that you have no idea about your game anymore & **** off your customers? Are you trying to beat Sony's record with NGE?
^ This!
Only one issue 99% of player base will never get to read this thread and will only moan when they realise it dnt work!
The forums are going to go beserk on the 16th...
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If I had a nickle for every fake "I quit because of this [insert change]" I'd be rich.
If I had a nickle for every one of your ill-tempered amarr whines, I could buy for 5 more accounts. Does that prove that amarr are overpowered?
Try and understand the difference: this isn't about any particular ship or module or skill. This is about real money.
Oh yeah, and being served a shit sandwich by a guy who flat out lied to us (see multiple links to wranglers own post about the feature he called a "bug" in his devblog tonight. I'll put up with a lot, but I find such naked dishonesty rather hard to choke down.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tareen Kashaar
Originally by: Malcanis The forums are going to go beserk on the 16th...
Except... inactive accounts can't post! HAH!
But freshly resubbed accounts who find their skill has not completed, on the other hand...
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Poasting in a topic full of whiners with an entitlement problem.
I fail to see why you expect to have your skills train while not being subscribed.
Oh I dunno, maybe it was because CCP themselves told us we could.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: doofydoo oh, anyone please contact me if you want to offload any alts cheap :)
Hit me up in game if you're interested in an 18.75M SP alt getting ready for dread training. Perfect learnings, Nav skills are done.
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