Originally by: Catherine Frasier

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Originally by: Jocho

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You completely missed the point that Ghost Training was a intentional feature of eve.

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It wasn't.

Originally by: Jocho

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And your idea that someone can earn many more SP's is ludicrous. Maybe a million more tops due to implants.

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You don't understand. A ghost trainer who has two accounts (for example) and alternates every month which one is active and which inactive can generate twice as many skill points per dollar as a person who plays the game normally.

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Originally by: Zinnn

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Perhaps you didn't read that the china server already got that fix a while back and CCP said it would not be implemented in Tranquility. Well here it is. Your logic = epic fail. No flame intended

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Where did CCP say it would never be implemented? Linkage or it didn't happen.

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Originally by: Zinnn

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Enough people have said so on this forum for it to be fact that they did indeed say it wouldn't happen.

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I'm sending you my medical bills. I laughed so hard at your statement I think I've got a hernia. No flame intended but there a some very simple ("very simple" counts as well) words to describe you if you actually believe rabble when they are rabbling.

I can directly tell you for a fact that you will not find any such statement. Not because CCP is that good at covering up (because let's face it - they ain't) but because I've been here being a thorn in CCP's side wherever they fall short.

Now, stop focusing on what they did and focus on the ineptness of how they did it. What they did was right but overdue. How they did it is the classic CCP screw up.

'Nuff said.

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Originally by: GypAtheNooB

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To put it simply (sounds like it needs to be simple for some of u) for those of u who arnt enraged by this. This in itself is not a deal breaker. But wrapped up with 3-4 (please understant it is senior players who are most affected by this, u know the ones with multiple accounts) years of ships lost to game mechanic failures. ALL followed up with some lame ass excuse for not replacing a ship that cost them nothing but u and me multiple hours. Seeing over a long period of time CCP just not giving a damn about ppl who pay for a service (one that they wont stand by when its sh*ts itself, yes ive even lost ships with "we are experiencing difficulties" in the same log and a ship that wont warp while 80km from hostiles and a log not showing any attempt to warp scramble in the log).
Thats what is a deal breaker, its not ghost training its the ongoing comtempt CCP has shown for the player base.
If u dont get that, then u simply have never been burned by CCP YET, but ur time will come. Until then open ur eyes and FFS Listen to the other views here, they are out there for a reason.
CCP TH BALL HAS BEEN DROPPED!!
WILL U PICK IT UP??????????

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Originally by: Carsidava

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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans

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The bug that became a feature

On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.

How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.

Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.

Torfi

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You didn't answer any of the concerns many players had. Please find someone who works at CCP who knows what goes on in the game. Clearly you're a mouthpiece.

Here's my post again, which is still amazingly relevant.

Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash.



Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer.

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Originally by: Betteroff Dead

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Originally by: Xavier Holtzman

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The funny thing is, if ccp would have come right out and said that they needed money, and then raised the subscription fee by $5 (or maybe even $10), I probably would have payed it and kept playing.

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That will be next...

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Originally by: 10of10

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the above will never happen.... They are a type of Drug dealer they will have to keep you logging in so as to keep you addicted. If you dont log in enough your dependency gets less and less.

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Originally by: Occso

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Make your statement at:
vote

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Originally by: Violet Pettle

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seriously stfu already what are u lot really moaning about? most normal players have to pay to run an account to keep it trained u just loved the freedom to set long skills get that lvl 5 buy a card, then not pay for a few months ... so what my point? u lot are lazy cheap *******! what the point of training a character and not playing with it, what are u really doing should be the question... selling on ebay? aint that banned? or wait selling for isk in game ? seriously if u lot doing that buy gtc and sell for your isk thats a better plan u lot all moaning is getting pretty damn boring. if u dont like it go play another game to be honest all i head since i logged ontoday was half my freinds moaning about nurfs and tracking speed of blaster boats! u know what i think u lot should be doing , a) get better setup the old ones are now to common and boring (we all did with the passive drake right?) and well in ghost accounts here ya options pay for the account and get mining for your 60 days cards! few weeks u can buy your cards and still make extra isk while afk!! seriously its like listing to my 3 year old going i want i want! im bored!!!!
yes we on a rescession globaly so think .. ccp want to cut the use of basically unused accounts, all u are doing is adding an extra player to the game who dont play just so u can profit off ccp's generosity ? seriously nothings ment forever so when u loose somthing that was free to start with does it matter? be honest with yourself thouse of u ghosting accounts were basically scamming ccp of money they need to rumn the accounts u do play and only now after 5 years of runnign they go opps no sorry guys time to pay for this inactive account u lot should be ashamed u all moanign and your the ones taking advantage pfft ok bored of typing now u get the point !!null

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Originally by: 10of10

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CCP SAY SOMETHING [/quote

We are waiting ??????????? You know your devoted customers..

Originally by: Random5154

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Originally by: Kheldon Fel

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You don't care if a company shits all over you?

Some of us have higher standards.

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You see, you call them morales, I call it common sense. So when your local transit authority tells you that fees are going up in 2 weeks by 10%, you going to walk instead of catching the bus because the company shat all over you?

What is wrong with you and your emo antics? You going to stop buying Nike shoes because they had slave farms overseas? You going to stop putting gas in your car due to big oil companies funding legislation? Or do you have those kind of 'morale' standards that you conveniently pick and choose when it suits your emo rage?

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Originally by: akirahayase

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Originally by: DiMTRX

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Edited by: DiMTRX on 15/10/2008 19:19:36

Subscription Status: Cancelled
Will be suspended10/29/2008

Cancel Subscription Cancellation
Expires: 10/29/2008 8:34:52 AM
Remaining Playtime: 13d:13h:18m

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Can i have your stuff ?


Hmm i see some good things about the whole of this ,lot's of ppl are claiming quitting eve .

So perhaps we can have 'less lag pvp then' or ... are only the empire ppl whining and the 0.0 are silent

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Originally by: Random5154

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Originally by: Kheldon Fel

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No, you're still stupid. I walk to the train station because it's less than half a mile from my house. I wear work shoes to work and own a pair of fairly comfy Converse that I've had for years. I make good money, own numerous game consoles, computers, TVs, etc so I don't know where that particular outburst of idiocy comes from.

Perhaps you should run along for a while until you can compose a somewhat coherent argument like the adults are doing.

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Alright adult, go along and quit because CCP hurt your feelings. It's what all the adults are doing. o/

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Originally by: Random5154

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Originally by: Velda Chulai

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In addition to making this a topic that goes beyond the scope of this thread, you're comparing Internet Spaceships to an international financial disaster? CCP is a for profit company, and this is a terrible way of securing the goal of profit.

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A very good post, in seriousness, that I respect. The above point is where I guess we disagree. I don't think making people pay for the service being provided as a 'terrible way of securing profit'. Making people pay for the service provided is what I consider a good business model.

I recognize and acknowledge that there was potential to get some free training before, and when it was reasonably used when people went AFK for a month here and there which made the game attractive to those players, fair enough. However, there is huge potential to also abuse this system, and for that fact I am happy that CCP is plugging the hole.

I see skill training and play time bundled into the $15/month. Others disagree and only see play time in the $15/month, with skill training as a semi-free service. I see "free" as a privilege, not a right. When people started abusing that privilege then everyone lost it.

And back to my first point - if you leaving because of the substance of the change, fair enough. If you leave because of how they communicated it, bye!

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Originally by: Shard Merchant

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So guys, when is this thread going to make its debut in the public limelight?

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Originally by: SunGod RA

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jeebus will you whiners just cancel your accounts already >.>

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Originally by: Tai Davion

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To all those who will quit over this. Farewell, take care, may good fortune smile on you and please remove yourself from the servers and do your part to clear up the lag.

Thank you and have a great day.

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Originally by: Thorliaron

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Edited by: Thorliaron on 17/10/2008 02:25:09

Originally by: Kheldon Fel

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Originally by: Thorliaron

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what a load of *****es in this thread. honestly.

you cant afford to have 2 accounts going at the same time but want to train both? tough shit yo.

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Look at how dumb you are.

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whhaaaaaaaaambulance. quit the game already please.

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