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BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:38:00 - [1] CCP, you better start improving the game in a way that does not make alts a requirement if you want to get somewhere.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:53:00 - [2] Originally by: Todoshi although it probably won't effect ccp to much, lets face it there will still be 30k+ players logged in tonight and tommorow and the day after that Quite frankly the number of people currently logged in does not reflect the amount of soon to would have been cap/R&D/whatnot alts that will not be resubbed. I'm sure they've done the math but they can not just keep pushing game mechanics that pretty much require you to outsource tasks to well trained alts and then one day decide to cash in on it. The fact that the account management page is down is just the icing on the cake.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:12:00 - [3] Originally by: CDLoon And note : likely a lot of isk gets farmed by skilling up ghost chars and selling them. There will be a lot more ISK farmed with other methods now to pay for all the ghost chars.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:30:00 - [4] Edited by: BIind on 14/10/2008 15:32:11 Originally by: Wussie With training stopping when the account goes inactive there's basically no drawback left for CCP withholding them from introducing the training queue. You losing 2 weeks worth of SP a year by getting stuck in traffic/sleeping/having a life = ~5% less database lag apparently. People have been asking for a skill queue since day 1, just forget about it already.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:35:00 - [5] Originally by: Total Disaster I'm pretty sure that the day I die, all I can think about is how my char had 5mil SP less than it would have with a skillqueue. Yes, sometimes I get the feeling I shouldn't have bothered with learning skills at all, a 6hr skill which takes 8 hrs because I can't be bothered to wake up for it etc.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Annaphera In all seriousness - I know you can't play without paying, what I want to know is why it seems to be viewed as an entitlement that you gain any benefit at all without paying. NO other game allows that. The way WoW is setup makes it a lot easier to catch up if you jump in for a month or two to see how things are going. You get better gear easier than those who had to do attunements and stuff months ago, you can get PLed by people etc. If you return to EVE without ghost training you're looking at the same boring months of training you did when you left, at least now you can return to a char with a shiny new ship to fly if you set Cruiser V before leaving.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Emerald Cortess So for example u gain SP in gunnery when activating a gun to a ship. Or u get better in the EM-Compensation-Skill when u have fitted a EM-Hardener and someone is shooting u with EM-Missiles. As far as i know, this would be the first mmorpg using such system and it would make EVE very very special. UO was like this.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Suze'Rain 4.5 years, 1 account, 1 main, 1 alt on that account used when the main gets boring. you do not "need" alt accounts, at all. I can't even begin to imagine how people would go about building a cyno network with just mains.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Mora Makur Players will now have to get used to Level V skills that are actually difficult to get. Or don't bother resubbing after taking a break. Also there's nothing difficult about getting a V skill, it's just expensive now.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Mora Makur Why is this so definitely a 'financial decision'? I find the balance issue perfectly reasonable. People were exploiting a 'feature' in order to obtain hard to get skills. I find it very odd, that people so easily dismiss the balancing issue, and so adamantly decree that this can only be a purely 'financial decision'. Because some of us can see that meeting where some suit goes "Wait...they are getting something for free? implode" before our inner eye. And these are the days where meetings with suits happen.

BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:12:00 - [11] This thread is really hard to find now, I told some people with inactive accounts about this and now they think I'm making this up.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:24:00 - [12] Edited by: BIind on 14/10/2008 17:26:01 Originally by: Sean Mcarthur what do you mean hidden? if you open www.eve-online.com press dev blog and then coments it is right there. It wasn't for a while. Also it's missing in the threadlist of the forum where it's supposed to be (Information portal) for some reason.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:39:00 - [13] Could someone please setup an EVEMon plan for a 10mil SP character which utilizes ghost training to its fullest potential and figure out how much you can actually save a year? I'm too lazy.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Echthalian Warhammer here I come. Hahahaha, set a long skill. Or a short one.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Shigsy Originally by: Kuolematon Year ago CCP said that this is CHINESE server "function" and will NEVER hit TQ. They lied!! LIEDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 omg yeah forgot about that. Someone dig up that thread now this, this, this. Nothing about it never being changed ever tho.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Deadly Hobbitses CCP Wrangler: The only avenue left for CCP to regain any amount of credibility regarding this issue is to implement a skill training queue. ONLY this would provide adequate justification for these drastic measures as the ability to queue up multiple skills to train while you do not pay would be much more of an advantage of note than the current ability to have whatever skill is currently training when your subscription lapses complete. link please
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:22:00 - [17] Edited by: BIind on 14/10/2008 19:21:49 Originally by: Julius Rigel Edited by: Julius Rigel on 14/10/2008 19:20:06 Edited by: Julius Rigel on 14/10/2008 19:18:42 Originally by: Zarest I will not be coming back after my next break if you disable ghost training..... So that's one, two year subscriber gone... Good Job CCP I am sure you will make millions off of this. Originally by: Lag Subscription canceled (Ironic that it was supposed to renew on 10/17). Originally by: Trumpoll Now there is one less reason to come back to Eve Online. Your stuff... must... have. This has to be the lamest, most boring and unimaginative meme ever, why don't you let it die already.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:35:00 - [18] Edited by: BIind on 14/10/2008 19:36:42 Originally by: Deadly Hobbitses Originally by: BIind Originally by: Deadly Hobbitses CCP Wrangler: The only avenue left for CCP to regain any amount of credibility regarding this issue is to implement a skill training queue. ONLY this would provide adequate justification for these drastic measures as the ability to queue up multiple skills to train while you do not pay would be much more of an advantage of note than the current ability to have whatever skill is currently training when your subscription lapses complete. link please Yes, I was telling/delivering an ultimatum. Us hobbits may be small but we do have fortitude of soul and a voracious appetite! Damn (as in the black turkey ship) you hobbits with your ambiguity. Edit: "damn" not censored anymore? haha progress.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:50:00 - [19] Edited by: BIind on 14/10/2008 19:51:12 Originally by: Lallante I personally think customers like you are ******ed; its a documented feature, yes, but an UNINTENDED ONE. Its a side effect of how skill training was coded, I rememeber its discussion in beta and the devs were like 'its fine for now'. Semantics. It was possible for 5 years, it was convenient, it was an incentive to resub even without abusing it for alt farming and now it's being removed and people are angry. Get over yourselves already and let people respond to the dev post without stupid ass "can i have your stuff" and "lol your poor".
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:00:00 - [20] This thread is about forum cred now.

BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Lallante Straw man. Torfi said its an UNINTENDED FEATURE. Which amounts to the same as a bug. Not a bug. Hence documentation. Reread the post. I want a report on how many bug reports have been filed over the 5 years regarding this and how often it appeared on the Known Issues page on my desk right away.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Quote: CCP may find it necessary on occasion to make changes to or reset certain parameters of the persistent game world mechanics, interface or features of EVE Online in order to maintain game balance and enhance playability or performance for its subscribers. These changes may affect or cause setbacks for the characters you've created. http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp Mhm. I'm not sold on the "maintain game balance and enhance playability or performance for its subscribers" aspect of this move.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Siona Windweaver Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 14/10/2008 20:25:03 Thread got stealth nerfed! You can't see it from EVE Information Portal anymore :P Edit: Seems everything gets bugged today :P we know, right?
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:46:00 - [24] Originally by: ISIAM Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Aaah This patch killing all new players. New player have not any chance to train multiple characters. Unless, you know, they pay for them. Yea, it will only take them years and years and thousands and thousands of dollars. You could still buy a char from the supposed ghost training farmers while stock lasts.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:59:00 - [25] Edited by: BIind on 14/10/2008 20:59:29 Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Dire Radiant That it was a portrayed as a feature in the guide shows that it is not actually a bug at all. No. It was an unintended feature which was, in effect, a bug. Documenting it doesn't change that. I'm beginning to notice a pattern in your posts.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 21:27:00 - [26] Originally by: MILK Monk Overall no matter what we all think about it, I very much belive CCP did analysis of possible impact when applying this change... or do you REALLY think they did not??? My guess is that they're totally oblivious as to what makes people return to this game, maybe they think it's their brilliant advertising and marketing methods that keep people coming back. And it's not, at least in my case, it's knowing that when I return there's a new shipclass waiting for me.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 21:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Derdre Esme this site will have to be followed closely in the following month Population statistics don't reflect the number of cancelled alts unfortunately.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.15 05:13:00 - [28] Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. It's also one-of-a-kind in that it takes years of character progress and several accounts to get somewhere.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:49:00 - [29] This thread is still not visible in the Information Portal? Some web team you have going on there.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.15 16:32:00 - [30] Edited by: BIind on 15/10/2008 16:41:33 Originally by: GrimnirBut I see it now, ad hominem. CCP has done bad things, so this must be a bad thing You are confusing ad hom with noticing a pattern or the direction this company is heading. Quote: Look, to use an analogy, if you stopped paying for your lvl68 warrior in wow for a month, would you expect to come back and find that you could use a epic flying mount ? No, plain and simple. It's a stupid analogy as are most when it comes to EVE but I'll bite. If I return to WoW to play my 68 char again I won't have to go through attunement for high end instances, I will get better gear through PVP than those 6 months ago, I can get powerleveled to 70 by friends in uber gear and can then instantly leech high end items because everyone is almost capped and can do the encounters with their eyes closed. Even if not, the expansion comes out and the playing field will be leveled. If you return to EVE you are where you left it. Nothing except someone throwing a set of +5s your way, which you can't leave highsec with, will change anything about that now that ghost training is gone. It's foolish to be happy to see old players leave, CCP will have to figure out a way to attract new players to get their subscriptions up and you may not like that demographic.

BIind	Posted - 2008.10.15 16:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Aikhiko Somotho Kerfira: The problem is, learning skills became a major problem, but if CCP wants to change that they need a good system for compensation for times when they remove a skill. For this, they prefer to have skill queues, and give those skills a priority over their preselected skills. So no change to learning skills (which can scare many new players away) till they create skill queues. Care to quote anyone from CCP even considering skill queues a possibility?
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.15 17:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Lana Ground anyone know what the new warhammer MMO is like??? might go and buy that and see what they're DEVS and GM's are like...actually someone tell me some half decent MMO's This is a pretty accurate summary.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.16 08:07:00 - [33] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Seth Ruin Originally by: Son Korhal Edited by: Son Korhal on 14/10/2008 17:52:30 Originally by: CCP Wrangler Test2 Lost for words on another epic ccp fail idea? Edit: Ok wrangler likes to delete his own posts. Makes me think the "test" posts are possibly Wrangler trying to fix this thread? Could be that it disappeared entirely by accident, and they're actually trying to fix it Yes, we're trying to fix it but we'll need to have web take a look at it. It's still accessible through the other sticky though. How are people, who are unable to fix a forum thread in 40 hours, still employed?
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.16 10:18:00 - [34] Edited by: BIind on 16/10/2008 10:18:21 Originally by: Turismo Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I would like to give you the following quote from a member from MMORPG. The User Enkidu said the perfect response to most people here: Quote: I've been playing EvE for 4 years on and off. I never used "ghost training" because it seemed unethical to me- sort of like buying a suit to wear to a job interview and then returning it afterward. I've worked in several industries and professions, and I don't recall ever feeling obligated to provide service to a customer who had stopped paying for that service. Many of my associates in the game would say "I'm going inactive while I train BS V," or something similar- amd it always struck me as a bit sleazy. here's a phenomenon I like to call "ungrateful housepet syndrome:" When you scratch a dog's head, the dog likes it, and the dog gets used to it. When you stop, the dog doesn't think "wow that was nice, thanks for scratching my head while it lasted," but rather looks at you as if to say "why the hell are you stopping? how dare you!" People are the same way.. if you offer them access to a pleasant or advantageous situation and they get used to it, and then circumstances change for PERFECTLY VALID reasons, they NEVER say "hey thanks, that was cool while it lasted..." but rather "this sucks! I'm getting screwed!" Things like this are just part of a constantly growing mountain of evidence that more and more people have no sense of personal honor or the desire to do the right thing JUST BECAUSE it's the right thing to do. All people care about is what they can get away with. Okay, you can get back to the whinefest now. Woof. I love the ungrateful housepet analogy. You never get this kind of problem with houseplants that live on fertilizer without complaint. Dog Training and the Withdrawal of Attention
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:42:00 - [35] Edited by: BIind on 16/10/2008 16:45:24 I just love how this ~140 page monstrosity disappeared due to "I'm sorry we accidentally the whole thread" under a pile of announcements for medals and vague hints at the next expansion. I'm really curious when and if they'll eventually get around to fixing it or god forbid replying to it.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra The incentive to come back to the game after a year or even 6 months, is not the fact that you may have trained a measly skill of 1 month (we are talking about a lv5 of a skill you already have it to lv4). Don't tell me what my incentive for returning is or isn't. Quote: It's the fact that you know that your character still exists and is the same old one you left alongside with the game, with all his assets. Something no other MMO gives you as far as I know. What are you talking about? Name one MMO that deletes characters after a period of inactivity.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.17 10:35:00 - [37] Edited by: BIind on 17/10/2008 10:36:51 Originally by: Cutesmile Final Fantasy XI delete characters after 3 months of inactivity. Lotro Usually it takes 6 to 12 months of inactivity to get a character deleted. Diablo-2 characters time out after 3 months of inactivity. Ok, I was not aware of this since I have not played them. Still, without ghost training during inactivity you're essentially paying 15 bucks for CCP adding ~1mil SP a month to your character, I don't think that's feasible. If you do, that's fine.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.17 11:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Gorek Loc Originally by: Lilith Order Alternative, you are seeing financial trouble and active sub counts are a bald face lie. Alternative 2, you are just plain greedy. Being greedy has nothing to do with it. It is a matter of trying to get your real-world money spent in a hobby you enjoy. I think he meant CCP and not you.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.17 12:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Weetabix Kedgeree I am reckoning quite a few people were indeed only training up accounts using ghost training, the recent upsurge in Cap specific alts for sale with no other skills in other ship areas more than suggests that. I'm sure our (devs and players) collective wisdom could have come up with a way to prevent farming chars for sale without punishing people who have legitimate (imho ofc) reasons for using this convenient mechanic. But no, "We're removing it along with any discussion it might spawn and that's that."
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.17 12:34:00 - [40] Edited by: BIind on 17/10/2008 12:35:16 Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 17/10/2008 12:21:24 EVE: Month 1: Whiner pays for play time and skill training. Month 2: Whiner demands free skill training because he paid last month. Restaurant: Month 1: Whiner pays for meal and drinks. Month 2: Whiner demands free drinks because he paid last month. Both are companies selling their products. Why is one required to give away theirs for free? Seriously, if your main mode of conveying ideas are car/baseball/restaurant analogies, maybe you shouldn't.

BIind	Posted - 2008.10.17 15:41:00 - [41] Edited by: BIind on 17/10/2008 15:41:31 Originally by: Lady Godgifu Why is this thread still hidden??? HERE'S WHY!
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.17 21:41:00 - [42] Edited by: BIind on 17/10/2008 21:46:09 Originally by: Captain Hudson You can thank the minority who has ruined it for the majority of you guys, just take a look a the character fourm, its crazy how many are for sale nowadays. Ya. The odd thing is that this trend had to be apparent a long while ago when those chars, which are for sale now, started ghost training bs5 and whatnot. It would be trivial to block character transfer for chars which haven't been subbed for longer than 3 months or so but I guess it does not matter. Quote: Same 20 people and their ghost training alts still posting in this thread? Well, seeing how people whom I told about this were totally oblivious to the fact, I think it's safe to say that CCP did a great job of burying this thread under a 2 page sticky and a ton of fluff blogs into total obscurity. So I guess it's just us, yes. A useless stunt, they'll just have to deal with this again when the returning players figure out what's going on months from now.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.18 09:11:00 - [43] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Seth Ruin Originally by: Son Korhal Edited by: Son Korhal on 14/10/2008 17:52:30 Originally by: CCP Wrangler Test2 Lost for words on another epic ccp fail idea? Edit: Ok wrangler likes to delete his own posts. Makes me think the "test" posts are possibly Wrangler trying to fix this thread? Could be that it disappeared entirely by accident, and they're actually trying to fix it Yes, we're trying to fix it but we'll need to have web take a look at it. It's still accessible through the other sticky though. Any updates from "web"?
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:42:00 - [44] Thread is visible again, heh.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Janus Duo And wrangler altposted it immediately and was caught. Take that all you people that claim that CCP doesn't screw with discussion threads with their alts. I'm not Wrangler's alt if that's what you're getting at, I just happened to notice it before he managed to post here.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.22 16:10:00 - [46] MMORPG.com should have been like "Please keep the discussion to the relevant sticky in EVE Information Portal" for the lulz.
BIind	Posted - 2008.11.01 11:38:00 - [47] Originally by: ShR3DeR Anyone else see the news about wow's gaming subscription?? its now the population of Ohio here in the U S Linkage Thats just disturbing and no i dont like it and never have played it never will.. That's partly because when you invite a friend now they can get exp 3x faster, you get a month free playtime etc. Kind of the opposite of what CCP has been doing.

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