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Skywalker Minmatar Darkness and Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.14 20:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Skywalker on 14/10/2008 20:52:47 Hi, i just started up a new corporation and would like to get some help on how to structure a semi-communistic type of corp. I want the members to have freedom to use personal hangars, but still want to have corp assets like capital ships, battleships etc insured on corporation. I don't want to have alot of forced corp ops or such, more the "give away" to corp aproach. Any ideas and examples on how this has been implemented in other corporations (BOB ?) ? And oh, about the corp. Will focus on Pvp and will non nomadic type. No pos building to speak of. Missions will be main source of income for members, and later on there will be investments into blueprints that can benefit the corporation.
Skywalker Minmatar Darkness and Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.14 21:48:00 - [2] 200+ reads and no reply ? Well drop me a line ingame if you people are shy
pi314159265 Caldari Extreme Addiction	Posted - 2008.10.14 21:53:00 - [3] Congratz, ur post is umflamable "Spreading The Superior Culture and Knowledge For The Glorious Nation of Khazikstan..."
thoth foc Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.14 23:27:00 - [4] The most non restrictive way to be communist is to just donate X millions per player per <week/month> to the corp, go make the isk any way you like.. then the corp builds funds to invest however u like ------------------ x-DSMA (Menta) x-CA (OMEGA/BOS) x-.5.(ATUK) BOB (DICE)
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.14 23:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Skywalker 200+ reads and no reply ? Well drop me a line ingame if you people are shy It's the wrong forum for recruitment. Hoping this is the original Skywalker, cause you kind of owned in a Nag, but the OP seems kind of nanve. ___
Ryuga VonRhaiden Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.15 02:35:00 - [6] If you started a corp with very little know-how about how to run it, what to do with it, where to go, well, that's not a good idea... find an existing corp that uses a similar approach and join them, so you can learn how to make it work, and how to avoid the most basic mistakes... Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature.
Mangold Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.10.15 04:37:00 - [7] Edited by: Mangold on 15/10/2008 04:39:01 Edited by: Mangold on 15/10/2008 04:38:34 Did some research and it turned out I was wrong.
Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Mangold Edited by: Mangold on 15/10/2008 04:39:01 Edited by: Mangold on 15/10/2008 04:38:34 Did some research and it turned out I was wrong. you fail caod, you dont do reasearch and you sertainly dont admit any wrongs on caod!!
Che Biko Polytechnique Gallenteenne	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Che Biko on 15/10/2008 14:21:47 My company is semi-communist, at least when it comes to mining ops. Everybody participating, wether they fly Hulk or Navitas, gets the same reward. I spend a lot of my time thinking about communist systems, so feel free to contact me is you have problems. Peace, -ChT Biko Edit: also, check this thread.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:32:00 - [10] How dare you come to CAOD with a completely valid and relevant question?!?!? For shame! -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Dyvim Slorm Relentless Storm Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:08:00 - [11] You really should be asking this before starting, but anyway. The main issue is balancing how much time your members put in, be it industrial or military. Bear in mind you will have a few members that are real corp players and will donate most if not all their income, some who will do the minimum (or a bit more) and some total freeloaders that will just take from your corp if you let them. You'll need to boot the freeloaders out fast or your other members will get resentful very quickly. You will need good comms with your members so that they all know where the iskies are going and can see it's not disappearing into your personal wallet. Beware of corp thieves, they are attracted to your type of corp as it will usually have many more valuable assets to steal. So your security needs to be top notch and don't fall for any sob stories from newbies about needing hangar access. You need a plan, showing what you expect from your members in terms of time/income, what you will give in return and how the corp/members will acquire those resources. Frankly, until you've sorted this part out you're probably wasting your time. Apologies to CAOD for posting what may be construed as a helpful reply
Skywalker Minmatar Darkness and Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.15 17:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden If you started a corp with very little know-how about how to run it, what to do with it, where to go, well, that's not a good idea... find an existing corp that uses a similar approach and join them, so you can learn how to make it work, and how to avoid the most basic mistakes... Ok i have run Corps before, but not semi-communistic ones that's why i am asking. And yes this is the original owner of the character to answer the other question.
Skywalker Minmatar Darkness and Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.15 17:26:00 - [13] Originally by: thoth foc The most non restrictive way to be communist is to just donate X millions per player per <week/month> to the corp, go make the isk any way you like.. then the corp builds funds to invest however u like Like this one, is this how your corp is doing it ?
Skywalker Minmatar Darkness and Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.15 17:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Mangold Edited by: Mangold on 15/10/2008 04:39:01 Edited by: Mangold on 15/10/2008 04:38:34 Did some research and it turned out I was wrong. What did i miss ?
Odhinn Vinlandii Shadows of the Dead Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.10.15 17:28:00 - [15] You should lookup [PPL] Phoenix Propulsion Labs. They are communist and it has worked perfect for them for 4+ years. The trick is, that all corp members give everything they have to corp upon joining. Corp tax is 100%. No matter what Corp members do all assets go into the corp hangar. Loot, salvage, ore etc. In return, corp provides everything on loan depending on the members time in rank. The best way to get started is to get a good moon and mine it until you have a few billion, that way you actually have something to offer your members instead of simply taking everything. It's a lot for most people to swallow. You will have to find the right people. tbh, just join the in game channel "SHOP@PPL" and join them if this is the sort of gameplay you want.
Angeltara Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2008.10.15 18:29:00 - [16] Semi- communistic? In my opinion, you either are or you are not. Adding semi- would just be a means of softening the blow to potential recruits. If you want to be a true communistic corp, follow the pattern of the few RL countries that remain communistic: (1) Take all the player earnings, tax at 100% (2) Let the offices you maintain drift down into dilapidation (3) Charge back to the corp members goods at over 300% markup (4) Openly criticize fellow alliances/neighbors (5) Kill any members that try to flee your corp, or talk on forums, and (6) And wait around for your eventual overthrow. Simple really... Angel
Karash Amerius Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.15 20:17:00 - [17] You can always impliment a communist system...but you have to find the right people to recruit. Players that don't care about imaginary pixels and instead are more concerned about building memories usually do well. ____________________________________________ "Fighting Broke" - An Ex-Merc Blog
Porgy Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:09:00 - [18] Yeah... maybe its just me but I would have a hard time trusting all my internet pixels to a ceo who could just go AWOL. _______________________
Wusti The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:11:00 - [19] Try starting off as standard and start gradually increasing the tax rate and frequency of corp ops to build up a substantial asset base. Members will not give to a corp they have no hope of receiving from. _______________________ Welcome to The New Era
Kleaner Kelly ALLIED TACTICAL TECHNOLOGIES Collective Asylum	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:16:00 - [20] Slowly. Very slowly. You need to know and trust every single member. _______________________ Sup. I'm an Alt.
Mangold Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Skywalker Originally by: Mangold Edited by: Mangold on 15/10/2008 04:39:01 Edited by: Mangold on 15/10/2008 04:38:34 Did some research and it turned out I was wrong. What did i miss ? Nothing. I thought you had sold the account. Appears I was wrong. That's why I edit out my post. Have fun with your new corp.
Liam Fremen Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.16 00:18:00 - [22] Edited by: Liam Fremen on 16/10/2008 00:22:19 Well, first of all you should have the full trust of all your members, acting always for the good of them and never for yourself, keep your wallet low, invest everything you have in the corporation instead that for yourself. Be the first to help the others and the last to ask for help if not really needed, at same time, you should be carismatic otherwise people will just don't trust your word. Try to make the people understand what you are doing and the plans you have, they must feel "inside" the corp for having the intention of giving theyr stuff, find some good good friends and put them around you for helping on organization. This is some of the things that i learned in the last years of leading a corporation, it's stressfull, but if you want to ask the people something you have to do more then what they do for the corp and put yourself as the first example of what you are trying to build without ever falling beign greedy or selfish. Try to have a clear "list" of the corporation "ideas" and soul, and follow it whatever happens, be ready to make little adjustment and try to ask your people what they think, get the good ideas and discard with patience the wrong one :) After this, you can make as you want, my personal way of doing is asking a lot from the members increasing the corporation assets, but at same time offering organized and powerfull service, as for example centralized logistic and production with cheap prices and most of all making your people understand and feel that the corporation is strong and have assets for sustaining whatever happens to it without falling apart. Just my 2 cents :) PS: remember that you have to decide even what size of corp you are intrested in, you can have the best idea of the world but if you rely on 10 people loot you can't think about making big projects, if you have 100 people loot is another story.. but with 100 people corp you can't act and be organized as 10 people, i felt the "problem" of number increase and took me some months for organizing and fixing it. Last thing: The bigger you are the simplier should be the organization, otherwise following very complex "chart" or whatever you make for organizing is a BIG problem, i tryed years ago to make xls chart for following some corp activities, i found out that after you reach a certain number, the more you use the game mechanics the simplier it is, otherwise you get mad. Just a simple example: if you have a small corp you can make contracts to each of them with what they have to receive and pay with contracts, if you have to make 100 contracts each day is crazyness, way better to take advance payment and just drop result on theyr hangars, you save a crapload of time and avoid a lot of problems.. just an example :) -- "may you rest in peace now, brave souls of Hueromont. . . Curse you, Caldari . . . may I take as many of you with me that I can!" Admiral Noir, Gallente Federation
n0sPIG Pakehaz.	Posted - 2008.10.16 00:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar It's the wrong forum for recruitment. Hoping this is the original Skywalker, cause you kind of owned in a Nag, but the OP seems kind of nanve. LOL your powers of observation are astounding. I clearly missed the part where Skywalker stated he was recruiting.
Blazde 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.16 02:30:00 - [24] It hit me just yesterday that 4S is semi-communist so I guess by cooincidence I should post something helpful here. First off you won't achieve it overnight, and I wouldn't even try unless you're deadly serious about creating a corp that will probably not reach a satisfying size for 1.5-2 years. Avoid strict "must donate x/week" rules and such, and avoid (regular) carebearing ops. You basically need to work relentlessly on the culture of the corp and be a fantastic 'people person'. Create a trusting, giving atmosphere and build up robust lasting leadership 'structure'. Keep members happy, create a true community, be in tune with them and aim for high retention above rapid growth or high sp/experience based recruitment. Ideally a large percentage of your members should feel that your corp is the last one they'll ever be in. For a lot of them it will be their first 'proper' corp too. Be careful recruiting anyone with a lengthy employement history cos they'll likely stir things up and then leave damaging your corp more than they contributed to it. Don't be afraid to weed out bad apples, even being ruthless but make sure you explain properly to your members why you're taking such action for the good of the corp. If you manage that then members will be happy to invest/donate in the corp, knowing that they can trust in you and other leadership, and in the future of the corp. Noone is going to invest in a corp that might not exist in 3 months. Directors will probably end up skint cos they've sacraficed so much for the corp. That's good and will encourage members to donate more cos they'll again trust in the corp. Some members will just be scarily good at making isk, some won't but will be good at other stuff, some will not really appear to contribute anything tangible but will infact be a positive part of the overall culture and continuuity of the corp and friendships within it. It will take a while but once you build up sufficient investements and ensure the isk is working for you (don't discount POS entirely, if you create a corp capable of protecting them it's good isk) you'll be able to invest in corp dread/carrier fleets which have fantastic efficiency savings over personal caps that just end up collecting dust in semi-active members hangars, and you'll entirely remove the 'fear of loss' factor. As long as you built your culture well thefts will not be a major problem. In time corp titans won't feel like such a big deal and they'll be true flagships that all your members can be proud of, knowing they helped make them possible. I'm not personally convinced corp owned/insured bs fleets are worth the administrative hassle. Instead focus first on supporting the guys that just lack attention span to make isk but are crazy about undocking to pvp (typically in a t1 cr until you help them out) the second they login and help motivate the rest of corp, and try to work up to a full or partial reimbursement program for t1 ships at first. _
harry beanbag Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.16 03:44:00 - [25] i'll go anywhere i can get a free chimera?
Che Biko Polytechnique Gallenteenne	Posted - 2008.10.16 12:44:00 - [26] Also, you'll have to battle decades of capitalist propaganda that makes people believe communism is something like this: Originally by: Angeltara (1) Take all the player earnings, tax at 100% (2) Let the offices you maintain drift down into dilapidation (3) Charge back to the corp members goods at over 300% markup (4) Openly criticize fellow alliances/neighbors (5) Kill any members that try to flee your corp, or talk on forums, and (6) And wait around for your eventual overthrow. Of course there are no RL communist countries(yeah I know there are countries that claim otherwise, but IMO N-Korea and the FARC are about as communist as Adolf ****** and the Monopoly mascotte), socialist at most, if that. There are communist people however, like the bushmen, or the aboriginals, but that's just my humble opinion.
Porgy Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Wusti Try starting off as standard and start gradually increasing the tax rate and frequency of corp ops to build up a substantial asset base. Members will not give to a corp they have no hope of receiving from. Agreed. It's kinda like back in high school and your date is inexperienced. You have to coax them into it, ease it in. Tell them it's just the tip, thats all. Its not really sex if its just the tip, just a little teaser, then once you get past that point you can go for the gusto and little susie q will be loving you long time. Forget a rubber and your little commie party will be disseminating into corps across the universe. _______________________
Goose Hypocrisy The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:40:00 - [28] lol porgy -clp gotta update dat sig
Kaitou Shiroi Hakata Group Blade.	Posted - 2008.10.17 00:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Porgy Originally by: Wusti Try starting off as standard and start gradually increasing the tax rate and frequency of corp ops to build up a substantial asset base. Members will not give to a corp they have no hope of receiving from. Agreed. It's kinda like back in high school and your date is inexperienced. You have to coax them into it, ease it in. Tell them it's just the tip, thats all. Its not really sex if its just the tip, just a little teaser, then once you get past that point you can go for the gusto and little susie q will be loving you long time. Forget a rubber and your little commie party will be disseminating into corps across the universe. Thread over, everyone can go home now. --- Unless specifically stated otherwise, the opinions expressed in my posts do not reflect those held by my corporation or alliance.
Liranan M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.10.17 14:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Skywalker Hi, i just started up a new corporation and would like to get some help on how to structure a semi-Marxist type of corp. There is a very large difference between Marxism and Communism. Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.

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