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Zana Kito
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:15:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Tenitigo
This is the first iteration of changes with the new missile damage formula. We're still testing missiles internally but wanted to introduce the initial changes to Singularity as soon as they were ready.
Can you be more specific on what you want to achieve, in particular, for frigate hull ship classes such as interceptors and AF vs missiles.
Also, how do you guys intend to make AB more viable? There's plenty of feedback on this issue. AB is too slow for most of the reasons why ppl need a MWD, none of which relate to flying insanely fast like nanos. |
Tac Ginaz
The Righteous Few
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pyea
Tac Ginaz if they put your proposed changes in game the server would probably melt. The amount of calculations involved are astronomical.
You think so? Considering they are already being done by drones :P
Think about it. The drone AI is applied to the missiles. Drones have focus fire, they have follow and orbit features..and they also can accept changes in their target in mid-flight.
The same calculations done by the drones are done by the missiles. That I do not think will melt the servers.
And to the other poster.. yes im aware the game had some similar features, it is why I'd like them back.
Because one race specializes in missiles does not mean it should be an issue. in fact, it will be effectively boosting the other race ships that DO use a missile. The damage added by a single launcher over a turret can be rather big.
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Galan Undris
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:21:00 -
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The damage falloff needs to be exponential if it's going to be based heavily on signature size. something like:
Damage = base damage * (sig/exp rad) ^ k, where k > 1
Tune k so ship classes one step down will take a noticable less damage than it would from it's own class and ships two classes down would automaticly take very little.
Come to think of it, this might be all it takes since signature size is already somewhat exponential between ship classes. Cruisers 3-4ish times bigger than frigs and BS about 3-3.5 times the size of a cruiser etc...
Or make it cubic (sig)^3/(exp rad)^3 (we're in a 3D space after all). No idea how well that would work out though, may not be steep enough
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tac Ginaz
Originally by: Pyea
Tac Ginaz if they put your proposed changes in game the server would probably melt. The amount of calculations involved are astronomical.
You think so? Considering they are already being done by drones :P
Think about it. The drone AI is applied to the missiles. Drones have focus fire, they have follow and orbit features..and they also can accept changes in their target in mid-flight.
The same calculations done by the drones are done by the missiles. That I do not think will melt the servers.
And to the other poster.. yes im aware the game had some similar features, it is why I'd like them back.
Because one race specializes in missiles does not mean it should be an issue. in fact, it will be effectively boosting the other race ships that DO use a missile. The damage added by a single launcher over a turret can be rather big.
once upon a time ... the Dominix and other drone ships could field 15 drones at once .... why do you think this was changed to max 5 drones ?
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Cheenie
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
a race which not only specialized but which uses missiles as their one and only weapon type = caldari
OH WAI...
Ibis
Merlin, Caldari Navy Hookbill
Raptor
Harpy
Cormorant
Moa
Eagle
Ferox
Vulture
Rokh
HYBRIDS
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 16/10/2008 10:50:34
Originally by: Col Callahan
I support this change, caldari have been the bullshit for pvp and could be soloed in a inty or vaga any day of the week. now the shoe is on the ohter foot. I look forward to being able to kill these nanos.
Ahh btw was just re-reading thread. You will be soloed in inty or properly setup HAC again :) Actually inty vs BS is quite easy now (sader 4tw).
The only advantage for caldari shows up when they come in blob - because then they dont need tacklers at all compared to sniper/close range BS.
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Random5154
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Posted - 2008.10.16 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
speed tanking should be done through low sig a speed ...
so you wanna speed tank, fit an AFTERBURNER
I hope the devs grasp that and that a missile will do less dmg vs a ABing ship compared to a mwding ship.
What you are describing is a sig tank. A sig tank may work against missiles and turrets, because a reduced sig directly impacts % of damage on the former, and tracking on the latter (assuming you moving quick enough to out-track, which you should for large ships).
However, it's not a speed tank because it's not quick enough to avoid drones, or even light missiles (let's avoid light missiles because we pretending we are webbing a large ship). So 5 warrior II's pop out, travel 3x quicker than your inty without a web on, and pop you within several seconds.
Win?
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