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Mr Krinklle
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:46:00 -
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Im looking to start a discussion on this topic choosing the toughest forum on this site.
I would like to talk about the rules of war. What percieved rules do you follow/expect when you war dec another corp or are on the recieving end of one.
Personally I am a card carrying carebear and I dont get to pvp all that much. Although there are times when we all have to, an expample of that is when you are on the recieving end of a war dec.
When we mobilize for an operation I am the FC, I dont have any qualms about using any legal tactic/mechanic/spy/alt to my advantage to help accomplish my mission goals and my pilots fully understand that in times of war, there is no such thing as a fair fight. These are not 1v1s 5v5s or what ever, this is war.
When war was declared upon my corp I recieved a eve mail stating that war will commence in 24 hours, not that a whine and cheese party will commence in local because I have 5 pilots camping 2 in a station.
When I have 5 pilots online and the enemy has 5 online and I deem my fleet to be inferior in terms of skill points and ships able to be put on the field its not a tough decision on my part to not engage. I fight to win, I dont fight to lose. Again, this is war who gives a shit about "fair". Choosing your battles in a situation where the enemy usually out skills your pilots to me is only logical. Why whine about it?
When my roaming gang of 5 comes across a few naive war targets I will happily engage. I will dine on their tears when they call us cowards. I brought a bigger gang, they did not.
Keep in mind we recieved the war dec. If I have the resources, friends/allies/alts to field out of corp logistics ships to aid in our operations I will do so. Until ccp changes this mechanic I will continue to use this as a valid method to accomplish my mission goals. No shame here, again why fight to lose? We are not involved in this war for the "good fights" or the lols. We are defending ourselves.
When I see that my operation has denied our agressors time to do what they like in game, (shooting us, missioning whatever) I can consider that operation a success. Does it matter what it took to accomplish those goals in times of a non mutual war? When my gang pops a couple ships and takes 0 losses I consider that a success no matter how many I brought to the fight.
So the complaints continue, complaints about alts helping out in fights, complaints about not fighting fairly when both corps have an equal number of pilots online. When I find myself in a situation such as this one, an unwanted war dec upon my corp we will use any legal tactic/method to accomplish our goals.
So please C&P chime in with your opinions or flames.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Krinklle I would like to talk about the rules of war.
you used "rules" and "war" in the same sentence.
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Jint Hikaru
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:13:00 -
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if they brought the wardec to you and then ****&moan because you have the sense to stick together then they need a steaming cup of 'shutthehellup'.
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Evilan Altana
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:19:00 -
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Good for you fighting back when somebody else declares war on you, use every aspect of the game to fight back.
Make them cry and complain, make them suffer for even thinking about declaring war on you.
Its war, there are 'no rules'.
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Hanso Sparxx
We The People
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:21:00 -
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1 rule - No talking in Local.
That is all. ------------------
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Mr Krinklle
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:28:00 -
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I agree, and out of all the tools at our disposal I find this one the most infuriating to the enemy.
Sadly this corp war was started because a young and naive member enganged in some very and I mean very light smack in local. Im not complaining about being war deced as a result of that incident.
The member was disciplined and a policy of absolutly zero contact was adopted. A week has passed and not one jab, comment or whine has been acknowledged in local and all attempts at private convos has been met with the convos being rejected. |
Samaritan Azuma
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:29:00 -
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tehre are no rules.... you pop teh WTs while avoid getting popped youself
that simple
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ScaR97731
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:11:00 -
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The 1st thing you have to understand is that most of the savages on EVE cannot begin to understand the idea, and concept of "Rules of War" because it is outside of their ability to comprehend such things. Also you must understand that the majority of EVE players come from broken homes with histories of mental, and possibly even emotional abuses. You cannot possibly think that you will be able to reason with people like this, but hats off to you for trying.
For many players EVE is a place where abused, and mentally disturbed people can get together, form corporations, and act out their frustrations against other players in the game. This acting out, and bullying is a reflection of the abuse currently going on in their personal lives. The game allows them to vent out their frustrations, and to be able to feel powerful in doing so. It allows them a feeling of control. A lot of times this control, acting out scenario usually demonstrates itself by way of Declaration of War against another corporation in an effort to exercise control over ONE person in a war wardecced corporation because of some thing that was said in the forums or in-game.
Also the wardeccing corporation almost always chooses a weaker, smaller corporation to fight because this will ensure their being able to dictate the direction of the fight, and/or extortion of ISKS. My advice to you and your corp is to deny them this fight; deny them the opportunity to "act out" their personal frustrations on yourself and your corp.
Lastly you must understand that by themselves, most Pirates or renegade corporation members are cowards, mama's boys, Nancy-girls, and weak, sissified, drop-kicks. By knowing this it allows you the ability to out think these emotionally driven cowards.
Deny them their war. There are many ways to nullify a Declaration of War, so I think that you should do a little research in finding that way. The information IS available in these forums. The worst thing you can do is accept the war and fight the idiotic corporation on their own terms wasting a lot of ISKS and materials, and time. Deny them their war. Deny them because that is the best way to hurt someone, or some group that is trying to force you into something you don't want to do.
Remember they have to pay for this war, and if you deny them, then they end up paying ISKs, and getting nothing but dust in their collective, sissified mouths in return.
Deny these punks their war. Don't play their game.
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Beowulf Scheafer
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:22:00 -
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Rule No.1: NEVER get owned.
Rule No.2: Do not thrust a victim.
thoose are the 2 rules of war i try to obey.
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Samaritan Azuma
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731 The 1st thing you have to understand is that most of the savages on EVE cannot begin to understand the idea, and concept of "Rules of War" because it is outside of their ability to comprehend such things. Also you must understand that the majority of EVE players come from broken homes with histories of mental, and possibly even emotional abuses. You cannot possibly think that you will be able to reason with people like this, but hats off to you for trying.
For many players EVE is a place where abused, and mentally disturbed people can get together, form corporations, and act out their frustrations against other players in the game. This acting out, and bullying is a reflection of the abuse currently going on in their personal lives. The game allows them to vent out their frustrations, and to be able to feel powerful in doing so. It allows them a feeling of control. A lot of times this control, acting out scenario usually demonstrates itself by way of Declaration of War against another corporation in an effort to exercise control over ONE person in a war wardecced corporation because of some thing that was said in the forums or in-game.
Also the wardeccing corporation almost always chooses a weaker, smaller corporation to fight because this will ensure their being able to dictate the direction of the fight, and/or extortion of ISKS. My advice to you and your corp is to deny them this fight; deny them the opportunity to "act out" their personal frustrations on yourself and your corp.
Lastly you must understand that by themselves, most Pirates or renegade corporation members are cowards, mama's boys, Nancy-girls, and weak, sissified, drop-kicks. By knowing this it allows you the ability to out think these emotionally driven cowards.
Deny them their war. There are many ways to nullify a Declaration of War, so I think that you should do a little research in finding that way. The information IS available in these forums. The worst thing you can do is accept the war and fight the idiotic corporation on their own terms wasting a lot of ISKS and materials, and time. Deny them their war. Deny them because that is the best way to hurt someone, or some group that is trying to force you into something you don't want to do.
Remember they have to pay for this war, and if you deny them, then they end up paying ISKs, and getting nothing but dust in their collective, sissified mouths in return.
Deny these punks their war. Don't play their game.
you could juts sum this up by sayin "deny them their war" noone needs your pretentious case study of eve players...... but heres mine
ppl who post this "my brain is big " garbage is really a narcissist to to wiggle his communtiy college knowledge peen around.
the beauty of eve is that we make our own rules here,and we arent bound by opinions spawned of carebear douchery
and now come back and say im mad at my dad or something.... we know youre only in this thread to felate yourself, so give the psycho-analysis a rest
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Mr Krinklle
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:30:00 -
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Carebear douchery ftw. |
Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:53:00 -
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no fish hooking. ---------
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Khavid Kharver
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.16 17:09:00 -
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We have one rule.
Never take your tech II battleship with faction fittings to a mission hub to run missions. Especially when that hub is on a route the war targets are KNOWN to use. Even more espeicailly when all your corp mates are 5 or more jumps away. And you know that several war targets are currently logged on.
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Mr Krinklle
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:19:00 -
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We have no intention of denying them their war. Although we do intend to continue fighting on the terms we set for ourselves and not theirs. |
ScaR97731
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Krinklle We have no intention of denying them their war. Although we do intend to continue fighting on the terms we set for ourselves and not theirs.
Good for you! Fight on your terms not theirs.
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Hanso Sparxx
We The People
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731 The 1st thing you have to understand is that most of the savages on EVE cannot begin to understand the idea, and concept of "Rules of War" because it is outside of their ability to comprehend such things. Also you must understand that the majority of EVE players come from broken homes with histories of mental, and possibly even emotional abuses. You cannot possibly think that you will be able to reason with people like this, but hats off to you for trying.
For many players EVE is a place where abused, and mentally disturbed people can get together, form corporations, and act out their frustrations against other players in the game. This acting out, and bullying is a reflection of the abuse currently going on in their personal lives. The game allows them to vent out their frustrations, and to be able to feel powerful in doing so. It allows them a feeling of control. A lot of times this control, acting out scenario usually demonstrates itself by way of Declaration of War against another corporation in an effort to exercise control over ONE person in a war wardecced corporation because of some thing that was said in the forums or in-game.
Also the wardeccing corporation almost always chooses a weaker, smaller corporation to fight because this will ensure their being able to dictate the direction of the fight, and/or extortion of ISKS. My advice to you and your corp is to deny them this fight; deny them the opportunity to "act out" their personal frustrations on yourself and your corp.
Lastly you must understand that by themselves, most Pirates or renegade corporation members are cowards, mama's boys, Nancy-girls, and weak, sissified, drop-kicks. By knowing this it allows you the ability to out think these emotionally driven cowards.
Deny them their war. There are many ways to nullify a Declaration of War, so I think that you should do a little research in finding that way. The information IS available in these forums. The worst thing you can do is accept the war and fight the idiotic corporation on their own terms wasting a lot of ISKS and materials, and time. Deny them their war. Deny them because that is the best way to hurt someone, or some group that is trying to force you into something you don't want to do.
Remember they have to pay for this war, and if you deny them, then they end up paying ISKs, and getting nothing but dust in their collective, sissified mouths in return.
Deny these punks their war. Don't play their game.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731 The 1st thing you have to understand ...
As a former fulltime carebear turned PVPer, I can only shake my head at this.
The same spectrum of people, good and bad, exist on both sides of the "carebear/pvp" fence. I've met griefers and fools in both.
Corp and Personal killboard
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Eschiava Q
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:52:00 -
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LOL @ ScaR97731.
Priceless! Really priceless!
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Kazang
Gallente Arbitrary Freedom
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:08:00 -
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Quote: Personally I am a card carrying carebear and I dont get to pvp all that much. Although there are times when we all have to, an expample of that is when you are on the recieving end of a war dec
Its quite clear that you are not a carebear, missionbear maybe but not a carebear. I agree with you entirely about your terms of engagement. They declared war. They didnt declare 1v1 or 5v5, its war not a ****ing tea party. There are no rules, you play however you want to, that is eve, anyone who says otherwise should stfu and go back to wow. The fact that you seem to recognise this tells me your not a carebear, and my hat goes off to you for fighting back.
The only thing i would like as a rule in empire pvp is no docking games. Docking games are just pure distilled lameness. I do wish there was some rule or game mechanic against it. If you are going to fight, then fight if you don't want to fight then stay the **** in the station and shutup, then go afk or log off. I dont care really. Just dont **** about on the undock of a massive station like a ****** trying to suck himself off, trying to reach his balls but just not quite getting there.
Kazang
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JOSEPHx
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731 Laffo
If only i had found you before i chopped up my family and made clothes from their fetid decaying skin, my life would be so much better.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: JOSEPHx
Originally by: ScaR97731 Laffo
If only i had found you before i chopped up my family and made clothes from their fetid decaying skin, my life would be so much better.
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Varus Riaz
Gallente Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:43:00 -
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No rules per say, just an awareness of what the consequences of various actions are likely to be.
Smacking is quite likely to draw additional heat onto you.
If you dishonor 1v1s,use log-on traps, dishonor ransoms, etc., then the chances of someone returning the favor to you increase exponentially.
How you conduct a war is largely defined by the nature of the fight. If it's a fun little agreed upon war, blobbing, smacking, and generally hated tactics obviously aren't the way to go.
Once things get serious though, all "rules" go out the window.
In your case you have a lot to gain by giving these people a miserable time. If it's not fun to fight you, then you're less likely to get decced.
While you're doing this though, just keep in mind that this corp quite possibly has allies or can afford to hire a merc corp to fight you. If you upset them too much, then chances are they'll come back with some friends to try and even the score. Know it, prepare for it, and you hopefully won't be caught with your pants down when/if it happens.
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Avan Sercedos
Shockworks
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Originally by: JOSEPHx
Originally by: ScaR97731 Laffo
If only i had found you before i chopped up my family and made clothes from their fetid decaying skin, my life would be so much better.
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Is he a psychiatrist?
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Nuts Nougat
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:12:00 -
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From what I can see from the OP, you understand the rules of war quite nicely. Kill and don't get killed. I personally love good fights, but war is war mate... After all the purpose of war is not to die for your corp, but make the other guy die for his.
Originally by: ScaR97731 Alot of stuff with weird and some long words.
This post delivers! ---
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions Divine Anarchy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:19:00 -
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The OP understands EVE PVP better than he thinks. Pretty much got it sown up.
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Cat Molina
Minmatar Psychotic Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:43:00 -
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All is fair in love and war.
There are no rules.
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Jack Gates
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:37:00 -
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Goonswarm always fights for honour. We never engage if we have the upper hand, for we have strict role playing policies. I, for instance, am a Gallentean anarchist, and I have a very complex role playing persona that I even take out in public sometimes; it is highly derivative of Final Fantasy and Disney Cartoons -- especially Milo and Otis.
We won in Delve against BoB because they had no honour. They might have pushed us out, but we still retain our dignity as human beings (and furries).
Goons believe in justice, fairness, and doing good for the whole of Eve.
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ScaR97731
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Posted - 2008.10.17 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gates Goonswarm always fights for honour. We never engage if we have the upper hand, for we have strict role playing policies. I, for instance, am a Gallentean anarchist, and I have a very complex role playing persona that I even take out in public sometimes; it is highly derivative of Final Fantasy and Disney Cartoons -- especially Milo and Otis.
We won in Delve against BoB because they had no honour. They might have pushed us out, but we still retain our dignity as human beings (and furries).
Goons believe in justice, fairness, and doing good for the whole of Eve.
Is that why the GoonSwarm Corporation indulged itself in that totally, cowardly, and ill-timed "Jihad" against the industrialists a few months back? I don't see that as justice, or fairness at all, and if it does to you then you seriously are delusional. It sounds to me like your corporation members have some serious acting out issues that need serious addressing by the local mental health specialists available in your local area.
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Jack Gates
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.17 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731
Is that why the GoonSwarm Corporation indulged itself in that totally, cowardly, and ill-timed "Jihad" against the industrialists a few months back? I don't see that as justice, or fairness at all, and if it does to you then you seriously are delusional. It sounds to me like your corporation members have some serious acting out issues that need serious addressing by the local mental health specialists available in your local area.
Goonswarm is an alliance, not a corp.
And jihad is not cowardly. It is our most sacred duty. Those goons who gave their lives for the glory of the Qulah are forever enshrined in our fanfics and MSPaint pieces on deviantart.
Please, do not label me "delusional" because of my religion. That is hate speech and Goons do not tolerate hate speech. Period.
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ScaR97731
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Posted - 2008.10.17 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gates
Originally by: ScaR97731
Is that why the GoonSwarm Corporation indulged itself in that totally, cowardly, and ill-timed "Jihad" against the industrialists a few months back? I don't see that as justice, or fairness at all, and if it does to you then you seriously are delusional. It sounds to me like your corporation members have some serious acting out issues that need serious addressing by the local mental health specialists available in your local area.
Goonswarm is an alliance, not a corp.
And jihad is not cowardly. It is our most sacred duty. Those goons who gave their lives for the glory of the Qulah are forever enshrined in our fanfics and MSPaint pieces on deviantart.
Please, do not label me "delusional" because of my religion. That is hate speech and Goons do not tolerate hate speech. Period.
Sounds like an alliance made up of special education students.
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