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xhardxcorex
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:57:00 -
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 Originally by: MyOwnSling
How do I grief you if you can't see me
By sitting in system, mostly AFK, for days on end in a cloaked ship. Its psychological warfare without any sort of equal counter. A cloaked command ship can effectively shutdown mining, logistic and ratting operations in a system for an indefinite period so long as a few basic principles of patience and caution are adhered to.
The problem with this is that there's no counter. The cloaked ship can sit AFK for an indefinite period of time. It guerrilla warfare but with no native population to crack down on. Instead the opposition just disappears into thin air. Instead of the guerrilla being hard to find, it's completely impossible. Instead of it being challenging for the guerrilla to stay hidden, its stupidly easy. Just get up and walk away from the computer, leaving the game on.
The tactic should remain in game. Logistic harassment is sound and viable strategy. It shouldn't be indefinitely un-counterable. Especially not when it involves sitting AFK in game for 20 hours a day.
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xhardxcorex
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Malcanis
OK let's make it so that cloaked ships move at -75% speed, and can't target or activate modules, and can't lock until 15-30 seconds after uncloaking.
Sounds a bit weak... Lets keep them from warping out too and it should be fair.
Congrats on missing the point. Combat effectiveness isn't the issue here. Its tactic without a counter. I don't want to get rid of the tactic. I want to be able to do something about it. Even if that something if costly and a hassle.
Before you start with the 'just be smart about it, stay aligned' rant again think about the balance here. A skill a brand new character can train in a month and a half grants complete immunity for reprisal even though AFK?
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xhardxcorex
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Counter: Ignore him.
Ignoring a ship shooting at you can be done, but is not advisable.
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Reprisal? Reprisal is retaliating for an injury received by injuring them back. Since before he can injure you he has to uncloak... end of dilemma.
Unless, I guess, you consider just being cloaked in the system an injury itself. If so, for your revenge you can cloak and go afk too. That'll teach him!
If I were talking about someone gathering intel that retort would make sense. Taking one sentence out of context doesn't make you witty.
Its a one sided mechanic allowing one account, with minimal time, effort, strategy or thought, disrupt logistics in system.
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xhardxcorex
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Dasalt Istgut
Its only psychological warfare to people who have severe mental issues.
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Speaking of which.. I think they should ban docking and POS shields as both cause me lots of 'grief' too. 
A docked character can only undock from a hostile station once.
A station can be taken.
A POS can be taken down.
Explain how you counter someone sitting cloaked.
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xhardxcorex
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
what is the difference between a cloaked ship giving intel and an inti giving intel?
If both are using bookmarks they can be near impossible to stop once in a system.
The inty takes a live person sitting behind the controls at all times. A pulse is required.
Cloaking requires that you get into the system and... that you go make a sandwich, do the laundry and come back in a few hours.
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xhardxcorex
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: xhardxcorex
The inty takes a live person sitting behind the controls at all times. A pulse is required.
Cloaking requires that you get into the system and... that you go make a sandwich, do the laundry and come back in a few hours.
In that time you can jump in an entire capital fleet and several jump frieghters full of supplies and have it dock up and log off for later without that "scout" knowing.
I see no case for nerfing my bomber.
And this is a counter for cloaking... how?
Unless you sit in your bomber cloaked for more than 12 hours at a time, it has nothing to do with your bomber.
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xhardxcorex
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: xhardxcorex on 17/10/2008 01:04:31
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: xhardxcorex
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Counter: Ignore him.
Ignoring a ship shooting at you can be done, but is not advisable.
If it's shooting at you, it's no longer cloaked nor AFK.
Really? You're serious? Thank god you were here to explain that.
It's not like I was talking about someone sitting cloaked and AFK for hours and hours, then coming back (as in no longer AFK) and uncloaking and attacking someone. No, of course that's not what I was talking about.
You really nailed it. I was talking about how unfair it is that people can attack other players while cloaked. That EXACTLY what I was talking about. Its a good thing you were here to clear that up for everyone else. No one else seems to get what I was really talking about.
You're wrong about the AFK bit though. The tactics I'm talking about involve a highly complex macro, which requires no human presence and is therefore AFK.
I really don't know what I'd do without you here to clear things up. In fact, you're so good at it, why not grace someone else with your insight.
It's not about griefing. Griefing is a part of Eve. Its why I play Eve. Its about a situation where minimal force, effort, creativity and assets are used in an disproportional way.
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