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Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:01:00 -
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Calladen Nimitz ? Oh Hi :)
If there is anything left I'm up for 200m worth of shares.
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Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
So long as you don't let any dirty Minmatar own any shares (since they can't own property).........
<whistles while she repairs the broken array of Amarr vessels> I knew all that training would be good for something later...
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:27:00 -
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You know what... when I go to an RP forum everyone seems to get all bent out of shape if I don't roleplay and justly so. So could yall RP types be respectful and don't roleplay in this non-RP area? Thank you and this announcement was on behalf of everyone else. 
I have a new clone, her skill points are quite low but i forsee vast potential. Born at 05:56 18-Oct-08, weighing 7 lbs 12 oz, and was named Lara Florence. Mother & baby doing well - Dylythium |
Zolcan
Amarr
Praetoria Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:54:00 -
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While it'll be an RP based endeavour rest assured in the end it's all about business for me in RL.
Zolcan 
PRAETORIA WEBPAGE
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Khan Rodak
Amarr
Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.10.18 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Khan Rodak on 18/10/2008 21:11:35
Originally by: Shar Tegral
You know what... when I go to an RP forum everyone seems to get all bent out of shape if I don't roleplay and justly so. So could yall RP types be respectful and don't roleplay in this non-RP area? Thank you and this announcement was on behalf of everyone else.
You asking me to really fly around in a pod from gate to gate and actually buy and own shares of a corporation whose business core is to built ships and so on?
And i thought I was crazy :P
And Zolcan, as a former share owner from SVRGN, I'd make a maximum reserv.
Sign me up.
Seminarium open
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Zolcan
Amarr
Praetoria Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.10.18 21:47:00 -
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Quote:
As a previous investor, and supporter, I felt it best to point out the finer detail of the previous IPO's shutdown. As I remember it, we get first option(s) if you decided to re-enter the IPO market.
While I do plan to offer current and past shareholders a "priority spot" on the list I will be fair and try to sell to all who want to participate (even a few Minnies may sneak thru if they're nice!). I will note that the clause "first option" was part of the old corp charter (and the current charter) for additional shares or bonds of that current corp versus a new offering (if I did promise that I don't remember although I know Shar will point it out!). But I will respect old shareholders anyway just because they were so supportive before.
Since I have to maintain control over the corp (figure 55%-60%+ of shares will be held by Archbishop) do you think it'd be better to issue alot more shares for smaller amounts so everyone who wants can buy (although not near the amounts some want to invest) or do you think limiting it to just a few shareholders with big wallets is worth it? I'll admit I'm doing it for the market fun and it doesn't really matter to me since with dividends I can pay all shareholders at once.
To be honest I could raise more cash (maybe do $20b instead with Archie doing $12b of it) but I want to maintain a decent rate of return. My goal is always a return of 100% in a year which I've managed to hit twice first with Sovereign then with Praetoria. Because I'm doing this alone there is a limit of how much I can realistically earn playing at the pace I've been playing. Ship sales will run about $4b a week (averaging 3%-4% profit) and T2 product sales will run about $500k a week (with higher profit margins depending on modules I'm building). I'm comfortable operating at this level. Right now PSHIP makes a net profit of around $250m every two weeks. My T2 corportion makes about $250m profit every two weeks as well. This would be my "goal" every two weeks ($500m profit). With the corp I'd return 60% as a dividend every two weeks, 10% to "other causes" (RP based) and the remainder would be reinvested. Using these assumed figures.
Profit:
Ships: $250m
T2: $250m
Total: $500m
Dividend (60%): $300m
Rate of Return Each Period: 2%
Period: 2 weeks (1st-15th or 16th-31st)
Shares: 150,000
Share Price: $100,000
Monthly Dividend: $600m
Rate of Return Monthly: 4%
Some things I would do is include a "max value" clause like I have in the PSHIP charter. This clause limits the top "value" or worth of the corp to 115% of share purchase price. That way shares are always worth around what was originally paid for them. If the corp value goes up past that (due to increases in the value of materials, assets or reinvested profits) the overage is paid as a "special dividend" to shareholders on top of the regular biweekly dividends. To date PSHIP has paid dividends over the last nine months since inception as shown in the link below including over $4b in "special dividends" when the "corp value" clause has been triggered. Actually looking at it we've already paid out over $9b total including special dividends on a $10b stock IPO so we're almost to 100% already.
PSHIP SALES/DIVIDENDS SINCE INCEPTION
Period 22 just ended 10/15 and we're on Period 23 now.
Again everything is in the planning stages so things may/will change and I will put out a big charter document describing the running of the corp in detail before I do another IPO so there are no questions. I'd appreciate suggestions/ideas also since I want to have "fun" with this rejoining the market community.
Zolcan
PRAETORIA WEBPAGE
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.10.18 21:55:00 -
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The trick here is if you limit the amount of investment a few here will just use alts to suck up extra slots. (A practice I hate) So consider me biased and just sell shares as they fall or do what I did. Set the max while reserving the right to refuse anyone for any reason. (A little research helps clear up the alty alts so it does stem the tide - some.)
Or here's another idea: Make it truly venture capital. Let a select few big spenders by up the big chunks as long as they promise to spread out the shares amonst smaller investors. I know I'd spread them around in such an instance.
I don't know anymore... reading that last paragraph I'd reply to it by calling the author an idealistic fool.
I have a new clone, her skill points are quite low but i forsee vast potential. Born at 05:56 18-Oct-08, weighing 7 lbs 12 oz, and was named Lara Florence. Mother & baby doing well - Dylythium |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.18 22:38:00 -
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Zolcan
A structure that might support your needs for a 15B float:
8B for Archie (53%)
3B for prior investors who want first option (200M max per investor)
4B for general release (200M max per investor)
This system allows 35 investors to take a 200M max stake in the business. The previous investors get first right of refusal to take up there shareholding upto 3B.
The rest go to the reservations made so far at 200M max per person.
If any shares outstanding, sell the rest on first come/first serve basis.
If share register full, keep a reserve list for players not making payment.
I hope this helps.
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Manson Forte
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2008.10.19 01:58:00 -
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I would like to reserve 200M worth of shares if any are left.
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Sliezback
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Posted - 2008.10.19 02:33:00 -
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Im a Caldari trapped in a Gallente body..
can I get a little action.. say 50M
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