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Zolcan Amarr Praetoria Shipyards	Posted - 2008.10.18 03:02:00 - [1] (IC INFO) I am Zolcan the CEO of Praetoria Shipyards. Some of you may remember me from my previous venture Sovereign Enterprises which was a successful IPO held here two years ago. For the last year I have managed Praetoria Shipyards my uncles company in Amarr space and have returned nearly 90% to our shareholders all of whom are Amarrian supporters. Currently I am CEO of Praetoria Shipyards which already has issued stock (thru a different corp). The current corp will be "cashed out" for IPO value ($10b isk) per our charter then new stock can be issue in a new corp (separate corp exists just for stock issue). I would like to gauge initial interest in the recreated corporation (which will be an alliance) consisting of Praetoria divisions Shipyard (T1 ship business), Laboratory (T2 invention business) and Slave Sales. Currently only the Shipyard is publically held with the invention business being 100% privately owned by Archbishop. An IPO will be held in the amount of $15b isk total value and a release of stock to Amarrian supporters and others of like mind. Minmatar terrorists need not apply. Projected profits for the new combined conglomerate are in the $300-$700m biweekly range and dividends will be paid biweekly as was done with Sovereign Enterprises and Praetoria Shipyards. A total of 300,000 shares will be issued with a majority (at least 55%) being sold to our Chairman (Archbishop), 25% to Amarrian only loyalists and the remainder to other Amarrian and Caldari investors. Due to this breakdown the total IPO to the public will be around $6.5b-$7.0b not the full $15b as Archbishop will maintain majority ownership and control and will provide the majority of capital as he has in our previous offerings. Shares will sell for 50,000 isk each and a limit will be placed on total shares by each buyer to allow as many people to participate in our IPO as possible. I would like to gauge the interest of the public in this proposed new venture and assemble a list of people who may be interested when/if this new IPO occurs. A business plan will of course be posted prior to an IPO however I will provide links below to our last two IPO offerings and will let you know the business plan will be very similar. Our PSHIP website is also available linked below for your review. Thank you, Zolcan President/CEO Praetoria Shipyards (OOC INFO) I've missed the market community the last year since closing Sovereign Enterprises. As you see I created an RP corp PSHIP to do some RP IPO stuff with the Amarrians and it's been very successful. It's been close to a year there and I'm looking to spice things up (and I miss this forum). To that end I'm planning a new IPO here for about $7b or so and just wanted to gauge interest. I'll do the big market plan and all but it'll be T1 ship sales and T2 invention stuff (what I've always done). My main character is Archbishop the PIE RPer and my primary alts are Zolcan (RP nephew of Archie) and Calladen Nimitz (who actually is doing something else so he won't be involved here with this IPO at all). Anyway if theres interest here in another small IPO ($7b) I'll write up a plan and make some preparations for around December. It'll be RP'd up because Archies an Amarrian but I really want to get back into the bigger market community stuff. Thanks. Archie/Zolcan Reference: SOVEREIGN ENTERPRISES - CLOSING THREAD PRAETORIA SHIPYARDS COMMENCES OPERATIONS PRAETORIA SHIPYARDS CELEBRATES FIRST TEN PERIODS PSHIP CELEBRATES TWO MILESTONES PRAETORIA WEBPAGE
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.10.18 03:53:00 - [2] Ill make a 500M reservation or maximum whatever is higher Zolcan for your future IPO. No audit required. You always did run your businesses well.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.10.18 05:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Zolcan I would like to gauge initial interest in the recreated corporation (which will be an alliance) consisting of Praetoria divisions Shipyard (T1 ship business), Laboratory (T2 invention business) and Slave Sales. Currently only the Shipyard is publically held with the invention business being 100% privately owned by Archbishop. An IPO will be held in the amount of $15b isk total value and a release of stock to Amarrian supporters and others of like mind. Minmatar terrorists need not apply. You had me at slave sales, count me in for some shares when you get to that phase of your project. I think it goes without saying that I am an Amarrian supporter. Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Manalapan Dynasty Banking	Posted - 2008.10.18 05:45:00 - [4] Alright I will follow suit and say i would get the max allowed shares when you make your offering Dynasty Banking
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.10.18 05:46:00 - [5] I'm in for 500 when you get to that phase
Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.18 05:50:00 - [6] I'd take the max up to 1B, assuming I'm suitable. Not, certainly, a supporter of the Republic. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2008.10.18 06:22:00 - [7] Sign me up for the maximum investment permitted.
Kerrag Yamato Damashi	Posted - 2008.10.18 06:52:00 - [8] I'll also like to make a 500M reservation or maximum, whatever it is!
Kragan Incurdor Caldari Incurdor Finance and Assets	Posted - 2008.10.18 06:55:00 - [9] In with 500million!
Aria Taneth	Posted - 2008.10.18 07:28:00 - [10] I'll take 500m in shares.
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.10.18 07:53:00 - [11] While I don't usually mix RP and business, I have good members from your previous offering and would like to purchase a 500M stake in this venture from my Amarrian friends. After all, I risked far more fighting our mutual enemies in Black Rise. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
ZharV Amarr Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.18 07:57:00 - [12] In with whatever max allowable ends up being. Yaar?
leona starfire LS Trading and Production Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:26:00 - [13] Put me down for the maxiumium amount. Thanks Leona Starfire
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Zolcan An IPO will be held in the amount of $15b isk total value and a release of stock to Amarrian supporters and others of like mind. Minmatar terrorists need not apply. Projected profits for the new combined conglomerate are in the $300-$700m biweekly range and dividends will be paid biweekly as was done with Sovereign Enterprises and Praetoria Shipyards. So with 15G ISK of shares, and an expected bi-monthly profit of between 300M and 700M ISK, the expeted ROI per 2 weeks is between 2% and 4.67%, is that correct? -- Salpad
Ami Nia	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:53:00 - [15] Reserving 1b or whatever the limit is for a Caldari PR employee of a Khanid Lord. If needed I'll ask my Lord to provide you with appropriate references of my position in his organization. --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal So we can 1 v 1 with Garmon.
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:00:00 - [16] I can't believe that the investors of New Eden have become so desperate and so loose with their money that they are willing to fund dirty slave traders. I hope that people change their mind about giving money to such an organisation. OOC - Good luck :P -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:17:00 - [17] I'd like to make a reservation for the maximum allowed amount, please. --- DIY copying in Liekuri 20:1 mineral compression Eve Online folding@home team
Kribor	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:00:00 - [18] As an amarrian supporters, I would be interested in investing 500M in your IPO. Regards, Kribor
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:05:00 - [19] As a previous investor, and supporter, I felt it best to point out the finer detail of the previous IPO's shutdown. As I remember it, we get first option(s) if you decided to re-enter the IPO market. That being said, I would be very interested in exercising that option. I look forward to your prospectus and details. Also nice to see you still around mate. Athre will also be pleased as well.
Cinta Verick Amarr 4th Dimension Investments	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:19:00 - [20] I'd like to reserve 500m please.
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:19:00 - [21] You guys all seem pretty eager to jump into this. In the Eve I remember this would have scam written all over it. Has something changed recently? sXe
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:20:00 - [22] Originally by: Warrio You guys all seem pretty eager to jump into this. In the Eve I remember this would have scam written all over it. Has something changed recently? Yeah its called reputation, and knowledge of prvious business dealings.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Warrio You guys all seem pretty eager to jump into this. In the Eve I remember this would have scam written all over it. Has something changed recently? Nothing has changed at all. There are some people so trustworthy you simply don't bother with the nitpicking and the inane details. IMNSHO Zolcan is one of them and I would put my reputation on the line for him any day of the week but Sunday. (Sundays are claimed by someone higher up.) Consider this my stamp of approval. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Ayami Sakura Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:40:00 - [24] I'd like to chime in with the rest expressing interest in your IPO. Put me down for 500M or the maximum amount allowed.
Zolcan Amarr Praetoria Shipyards	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:41:00 - [25] I'm pleased to see there is interest. Shar is correct I will be offering first shares to existing PSHIP and former SVRGN shareholders. With my past IPOs its the simple fact that I enjoy the "business" part of it with my spreadsheets and graphs and dividends. I have as much fun with a balance sheet as some people have pvp'ing. Unfortunately due to overall interest the top limit on shares may be low for many. You'll recall this was the case before although at this point after being in EVE over six years now with Beta I'm doing this more for the fun of being a public company then anything else. I think it's also true with many investors that in the end we have plenty of isk we just want something fun to do with it like investing. I still own a lot of stock in other EVE corps and I'll buy more not so I can see massive returns but moreso just have fun "playing the market". The new IPO if my plan goes thru won't be huge compared to many I've seen. But you'll be able to have confidence that the guy running it is doing it for the right reason - fun. Zolcan PRAETORIA WEBPAGE
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Zolcan I'm pleased to see there is interest. Shar is correct I will be offering first shares to existing PSHIP and former SVRGN shareholders. With my past IPOs its the simple fact that I enjoy the "business" part of it with my spreadsheets and graphs and dividends. I have as much fun with a balance sheet as some people have pvp'ing. Unfortunately due to overall interest the top limit on shares may be low for many. You'll recall this was the case before although at this point after being in EVE over six years now with Beta I'm doing this more for the fun of being a public company then anything else. I think it's also true with many investors that in the end we have plenty of isk we just want something fun to do with it like investing. I still own a lot of stock in other EVE corps and I'll buy more not so I can see massive returns but moreso just have fun "playing the market". The new IPO if my plan goes thru won't be huge compared to many I've seen. But you'll be able to have confidence that the guy running it is doing it for the right reason - fun. Zolcan So long as you don't let any dirty Minmatar own any shares (since they can't own property)......... Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
LuthienTinuviel Amarr The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 So long as you don't let any dirty Minmatar own any shares (since they can't own property)......... I can certify that Shar is only acting upon orders duly given to her. However since Shar did not make that clear I will whip him quite thoroughly once his daily chores are done. In Shar's case, reward and punishment in one act. Win - win. CCP - You are now entering the twilight zone where bugs are features and features are bugs
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Demtalin le'Mercennaire I can't believe that the investors of New Eden have become so desperate and so loose with their money that they are willing to fund dirty slave traders. I hope that people change their mind about giving money to such an organisation. That's silly and stupid. All slaves are criminals; either robbers, thieves or debtors. It's their own fault. Every time. -- Salpad
Leto Corleone	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Warrio You guys all seem pretty eager to jump into this. In the Eve I remember this would have scam written all over it. Has something changed recently? Nothing has changed at all. There are some people so trustworthy you simply don't bother with the nitpicking and the inane details. IMNSHO Zolcan is one of them and I would put my reputation on the line for him any day of the week but Sunday. (Sundays are claimed by someone higher up.) Consider this my stamp of approval. You fail. Your reputation isn't worth a shit.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:56:00 - [30] Edited by: Kazzac Elentria on 18/10/2008 18:56:12 Originally by: Demtalin le'Mercennaire I can't believe that the investors of New Eden have become so desperate and so loose with their money that they are willing to fund dirty slave traders. I hope that people change their mind about giving money to such an organisation. OOC - Good luck :P As we Gallante say... it's just good business.
Athre Minmatar The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:01:00 - [31] Calladen Nimitz ? Oh Hi :) If there is anything left I'm up for 200m worth of shares.
Athre Minmatar The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 So long as you don't let any dirty Minmatar own any shares (since they can't own property)......... <whistles while she repairs the broken array of Amarr vessels> I knew all that training would be good for something later...
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:27:00 - [33] You know what... when I go to an RP forum everyone seems to get all bent out of shape if I don't roleplay and justly so. So could yall RP types be respectful and don't roleplay in this non-RP area? Thank you and this announcement was on behalf of everyone else. I have a new clone, her skill points are quite low but i forsee vast potential. Born at 05:56 18-Oct-08, weighing 7 lbs 12 oz, and was named Lara Florence. Mother & baby doing well - Dylythium
Zolcan Amarr Praetoria Shipyards	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:54:00 - [34] While it'll be an RP based endeavour rest assured in the end it's all about business for me in RL. Zolcan PRAETORIA WEBPAGE
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei	Posted - 2008.10.18 21:11:00 - [35] Edited by: Khan Rodak on 18/10/2008 21:11:35 Originally by: Shar Tegral You know what... when I go to an RP forum everyone seems to get all bent out of shape if I don't roleplay and justly so. So could yall RP types be respectful and don't roleplay in this non-RP area? Thank you and this announcement was on behalf of everyone else. You asking me to really fly around in a pod from gate to gate and actually buy and own shares of a corporation whose business core is to built ships and so on? And i thought I was crazy :P And Zolcan, as a former share owner from SVRGN, I'd make a maximum reserv. Sign me up. Seminarium open
Zolcan Amarr Praetoria Shipyards	Posted - 2008.10.18 21:47:00 - [36] Quote: As a previous investor, and supporter, I felt it best to point out the finer detail of the previous IPO's shutdown. As I remember it, we get first option(s) if you decided to re-enter the IPO market. While I do plan to offer current and past shareholders a "priority spot" on the list I will be fair and try to sell to all who want to participate (even a few Minnies may sneak thru if they're nice!). I will note that the clause "first option" was part of the old corp charter (and the current charter) for additional shares or bonds of that current corp versus a new offering (if I did promise that I don't remember although I know Shar will point it out!). But I will respect old shareholders anyway just because they were so supportive before. Since I have to maintain control over the corp (figure 55%-60%+ of shares will be held by Archbishop) do you think it'd be better to issue alot more shares for smaller amounts so everyone who wants can buy (although not near the amounts some want to invest) or do you think limiting it to just a few shareholders with big wallets is worth it? I'll admit I'm doing it for the market fun and it doesn't really matter to me since with dividends I can pay all shareholders at once. To be honest I could raise more cash (maybe do $20b instead with Archie doing $12b of it) but I want to maintain a decent rate of return. My goal is always a return of 100% in a year which I've managed to hit twice first with Sovereign then with Praetoria. Because I'm doing this alone there is a limit of how much I can realistically earn playing at the pace I've been playing. Ship sales will run about $4b a week (averaging 3%-4% profit) and T2 product sales will run about $500k a week (with higher profit margins depending on modules I'm building). I'm comfortable operating at this level. Right now PSHIP makes a net profit of around $250m every two weeks. My T2 corportion makes about $250m profit every two weeks as well. This would be my "goal" every two weeks ($500m profit). With the corp I'd return 60% as a dividend every two weeks, 10% to "other causes" (RP based) and the remainder would be reinvested. Using these assumed figures. Profit: Ships: $250m T2: $250m Total: $500m Dividend (60%): $300m Rate of Return Each Period: 2% Period: 2 weeks (1st-15th or 16th-31st) Shares: 150,000 Share Price: $100,000 Monthly Dividend: $600m Rate of Return Monthly: 4% Some things I would do is include a "max value" clause like I have in the PSHIP charter. This clause limits the top "value" or worth of the corp to 115% of share purchase price. That way shares are always worth around what was originally paid for them. If the corp value goes up past that (due to increases in the value of materials, assets or reinvested profits) the overage is paid as a "special dividend" to shareholders on top of the regular biweekly dividends. To date PSHIP has paid dividends over the last nine months since inception as shown in the link below including over $4b in "special dividends" when the "corp value" clause has been triggered. Actually looking at it we've already paid out over $9b total including special dividends on a $10b stock IPO so we're almost to 100% already. PSHIP SALES/DIVIDENDS SINCE INCEPTION Period 22 just ended 10/15 and we're on Period 23 now. Again everything is in the planning stages so things may/will change and I will put out a big charter document describing the running of the corp in detail before I do another IPO so there are no questions. I'd appreciate suggestions/ideas also since I want to have "fun" with this rejoining the market community. Zolcan PRAETORIA WEBPAGE
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.10.18 21:55:00 - [37] The trick here is if you limit the amount of investment a few here will just use alts to suck up extra slots. (A practice I hate) So consider me biased and just sell shares as they fall or do what I did. Set the max while reserving the right to refuse anyone for any reason. (A little research helps clear up the alty alts so it does stem the tide - some.) Or here's another idea: Make it truly venture capital. Let a select few big spenders by up the big chunks as long as they promise to spread out the shares amonst smaller investors. I know I'd spread them around in such an instance. I don't know anymore... reading that last paragraph I'd reply to it by calling the author an idealistic fool. I have a new clone, her skill points are quite low but i forsee vast potential. Born at 05:56 18-Oct-08, weighing 7 lbs 12 oz, and was named Lara Florence. Mother & baby doing well - Dylythium
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.10.18 22:38:00 - [38] Zolcan A structure that might support your needs for a 15B float: 8B for Archie (53%) 3B for prior investors who want first option (200M max per investor) 4B for general release (200M max per investor) This system allows 35 investors to take a 200M max stake in the business. The previous investors get first right of refusal to take up there shareholding upto 3B. The rest go to the reservations made so far at 200M max per person. If any shares outstanding, sell the rest on first come/first serve basis. If share register full, keep a reserve list for players not making payment. I hope this helps.
Manson Forte Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers	Posted - 2008.10.19 01:58:00 - [39] I would like to reserve 200M worth of shares if any are left.
Sliezback	Posted - 2008.10.19 02:33:00 - [40] Im a Caldari trapped in a Gallente body.. can I get a little action.. say 50M

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