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Karicha
Eventide Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.18 16:01:00 -
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Why are mercs and griefers so lame and shoot innocent poeple?
We just had some noob merc corp griefing us via eve mail, threatning to war dec us so we pay then ISK, but they didnt at the end and we laughed at them at the end!
I mean we dont like to be war decced, but we will fight back and pwn you all! Its just that you should know that! 
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GodDeSs412
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.18 16:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Karicha
Why are mercs and griefers so lame and shoot innocent poeple?
We just had some noob merc corp griefing us via eve mail, threatning to war dec us so we pay then ISK, but they didnt at the end and we laughed at them at the end!
I mean we dont like to be war decced, but we will fight back and pwn you all! Its just that you should know that!
there.. i bolded the important part of your thread... You said it yourself.. you were gettin harassed by a NOOB merc corp.. not an experienced bunch. Rest assured that if/when a true merc corp decs you, you will spend most of your time in the station... not making fun of griefers on c+p. So just feel lucky that this time it wasnt a real merc corp and that you can still jump in your little miner and empty the belts without interruption.
p.s. Can i haz your stuff?
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.18 16:12:00 -
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Your wasting your time posting that here.
You'll just get laughed at and called a carebear.
Your better off finding other means of getting your post across.
A lot of these guys just look for attention.
And your giving it right now.
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Varus Riaz
Gallente
Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.18 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Karicha
Why are mercs and griefers so lame and shoot innocent poeple?
Isk, amusement, and killboard padding.
Merc corps in particular need to build up a killboard for business reasons. While established merc corps have contract history to back them up, newer corps need to make their record by themselves before someone gives them a contract. One of the easiest ways to do this is to pick some random corp like yours and rack up kills.
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whisk
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 17:12:00 -
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/me puts his alt in 1man corp and starts vote
Adapt or Die
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.18 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Karicha
I mean we dont like to be war decced, but we will fight back and pwn you all! Its just that you should know that!
Trying to attract a few war dec's are you? Good luck with that.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.18 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: Karicha
I mean we dont like to be war decced, but we will fight back and pwn you all! Its just that you should know that!
Trying to attract a few war dec's are you? Good luck with that.
I think he is... if he puts up the 100mil to wardec me I'll actually log in, raise my sec status (if needed... highsec pansies) and fight... 
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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KA gunslinger
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:26:00 -
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send me the name of the corp and ill war deck them for free lol :D
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Leon vanUber
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Karicha
Why are mercs and griefers so lame and shoot innocent poeple?
We just had some noob merc corp griefing us via eve mail, threatning to war dec us so we pay then ISK, but they didnt at the end and we laughed at them at the end!
I mean we dont like to be war decced, but we will fight back and pwn you all! Its just that you should know that!
so they 'griefed' and threatened you with a wardec without actually doing anything besides sending you mails?
is it really that easy to get money from noobcorps these days? just sending them an evemail and ask for money? srsly
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:54:00 -
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Mercs don't threaten wardecs for ISK, they get paid to kill people.
A good merc corp shouldn't have any contact with the target at all unless the customer requests it.
Whatever you're describing is just garden-variety extortion.
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Taram Caldar
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 22:59:00 -
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Gotta agree with Jimmer.
If they're trying to extort money out of you they aren't mercs. Period. Mercs get paid to kill people... they don't go around trying to extort money out of innocent bystanders.
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Varus Riaz
Gallente
Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.18 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar
Gotta agree with Jimmer.
If they're trying to extort money out of you they aren't mercs. Period. Mercs get paid to kill people... they don't go around trying to extort money out of innocent bystanders.
Why? If I ever hired a merc corp, I wouldn't care about their perceived morals so much as I would that they got the job done.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Varus Riaz
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Gotta agree with Jimmer.
If they're trying to extort money out of you they aren't mercs. Period. Mercs get paid to kill people... they don't go around trying to extort money out of innocent bystanders.
Why? If I ever hired a merc corp, I wouldn't care about their perceived morals so much as I would that they got the job done.
If you hire a merc corp, you want one with ethics, not morals. It's not exactly "moral" to murder people for money. However being ethical and reliable in your behavior as a mercenary is certainly going to have an effect a mercenary corp's ability to land jobs.
Ethics means that they won't take your target's ISK in return for calling off the attack, turning on the original customer, or any number of other things involving taking a customer's ISK to accomplish a task, then failing to do so. "Merc" corps that extort aren't really doing mercenary work; they're just putting lipstick on a griefer pig by calling themselves mercs.
I suppose it might not apply if the customer hired mercs to extort a target, but that's not really "merc" work. You could just as easily extort them directly and I can't think of a reputable merc corp that would take a contract to extort from a target.
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Varus Riaz
Gallente
Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.19 00:17:00 -
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Doing things that mess with a contract is a different beast altogether, but why should I care whether or not a merc corp extorts some isk on the side in between contracts?
The idea that an isk extorting contract is somehow evil for a merc corp is hard for me to grasp. After all, merc corps take on contracts to effectively destroy corps and alliances. How is being hired to take isk any worse than that?
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.19 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Varus Riaz
Doing things that mess with a contract is a different beast altogether, but why should I care whether or not a merc corp extorts some isk on the side in between contracts?
I certainly can't tell anyone what criteria they should use for evaluating mercenaries- and I have an obvious conflict of interest, being in a merc corp myself.
However, I would say that it's a matter of reputation. If I were looking for a merc corp, I'd probably pass over any with a reputation for extorting isk with wardec threats from largely defenseless indy corps, simply because it says something about the caliber of the people in the corp and their abilities. It's also not terribly bright for a mercenary corp to extort ISK from carebears, because that's easily the largest source of your customers. Not many PVP corps or alliances need to hire mercs, although it does happen. Most of the time it's an indy corp with deep pockets and shallow ammo bins.
Extorting from such groups is essentially taking a giant shit where you eat; your reputation will precede you and other potential customers will know about such activities.
It's also just lame. There's so many more effective ways to make ISK than extortion in this game, the only reason to really do it is because it's fun to grief people. All the mercs I know personally have no desire to grief, they're interested in the combat and being paid to do it is a good way to put their desires and their needs in alignment. While I'm sure the targets don't enjoy it much, the merc's motivation is not to cause grief, it's to accomplish the customer's goals, which are usually to remove a competitor, teach someone a lesson, respond to a threat, and so on.
In short, I personally wouldn't be interested in paying someone who's primary motivation is the grief they cause the target. I want them to be focused on MY needs, not their jollies.
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The idea that an isk extorting contract is somehow evil for a merc corp is hard for me to grasp. After all, merc corps take on contracts to effectively destroy corps and alliances. How is being hired to take isk any worse than that?
Motivation matters. Very few people will pay billions of ISK just to grief someone; they're interested in a specific goal, which the mercs can help them accomplish. Extortion is only really useful for amusement, it's not going to pay the bills in the long run, and shows a lack of character on the part of the corp/players who do it.
Standard disclaimer: This is all my opinion, I don't speak for the leadership of my corp or my alliance.
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Samaritan Azuma
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.19 11:41:00 -
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this isnt really the best statement to make
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Dark Renker
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
[I think he is... if he puts up the 100mil to wardec me I'll actually log in, raise my sec status (if needed... highsec pansies) and fight...
Wow, that should scare them.
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Tuan Ran
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Karicha
Why are mercs and griefers so lame and shoot innocent poeple?
We just had some noob merc corp griefing us via eve mail, threatning to war dec us so we pay then ISK, but they didnt at the end and we laughed at them at the end!
I mean we dont like to be war decced, but we will fight back and pwn you all! Its just that you should know that!
oah sorry. i feel sorry. don't hurt me, please
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
If you hire a merc corp, you want one with ethics, not morals. It's not exactly "moral" to murder people for money. However being ethical and reliable in your behavior as a mercenary is certainly going to have an effect a mercenary corp's ability to land jobs.
Ethics means that they won't take your target's ISK in return for calling off the attack, turning on the original customer, or any number of other things involving taking a customer's ISK to accomplish a task, then failing to do so. "Merc" corps that extort aren't really doing mercenary work; they're just putting lipstick on a griefer pig by calling themselves mercs.
I suppose it might not apply if the customer hired mercs to extort a target, but that's not really "merc" work. You could just as easily extort them directly and I can't think of a reputable merc corp that would take a contract to extort from a target.
I don't have any particular opinion on the rest of this thread, but what you just said is beautiful to me.
*weeps tears of joy*
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.19 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Jimer Lins
If you hire a merc corp, you want one with ethics, not morals. It's not exactly "moral" to murder people for money. However being ethical and reliable in your behavior as a mercenary is certainly going to have an effect a mercenary corp's ability to land jobs.
Ethics means that they won't take your target's ISK in return for calling off the attack, turning on the original customer, or any number of other things involving taking a customer's ISK to accomplish a task, then failing to do so. "Merc" corps that extort aren't really doing mercenary work; they're just putting lipstick on a griefer pig by calling themselves mercs.
I suppose it might not apply if the customer hired mercs to extort a target, but that's not really "merc" work. You could just as easily extort them directly and I can't think of a reputable merc corp that would take a contract to extort from a target.
I don't have any particular opinion on the rest of this thread, but what you just said is beautiful to me.
*weeps tears of joy*
Coming from the guy who pretty much defined the meaning of ethics vs morals in EVE, I appreciate that. 
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Vandamsel
Gallente
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.10.20 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: whisk
/me puts his alt in 1man corp and starts vote
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Q429
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Posted - 2008.10.20 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Karicha
Why are mercs and griefers so lame and shoot innocent poeple?
We just had some noob merc corp griefing us via eve mail, threatning to war dec us so we pay then ISK, but they didnt at the end and we laughed at them at the end!
I mean we dont like to be war decced, but we will fight back and pwn you all!
Its just that you should know that!
Let me fix it for ya. what you really said was:
Originally by: Karicha
Why are mercs and griefers getting free lulz at my expense?
We just had some noob merc corp griefing us via eve mail, threatning to war dec us so we pay then ISK, but they didnt at the end and we laughed at them [because we all joined noob corps to avoid war decs]
I mean we are noobs that dont like to be war decced, but if needed we will respond by witting poasts in C&P!
Its just that all of C&P should know this. amirite or amirite?
That sounds more fact based.
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Vinnie Caruso
Onorata Riscossione Crediti
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Posted - 2008.10.21 08:04:00 -
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Eventide Industries, hehe.
Geez dude thanks for the pointer i was just wondering atm who to wardeck tonight :-)
see you soon
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