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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.30 00:32:00 -
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I would recommend training up to level 5. Not only do you not have to worry about it again, you get +1 extra attribute in each field. So if you have learning 5 and you trsin say analytical mind from level 4 to level 5 you will get +2 attribute points instead of +1 you get normally.
Attributes are rather important since we are constantly training skills. Couple this when you get your implants you will be ahead days or weeks in skill trianing in just a month.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.30 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 30/06/2004 02:22:17
Edited by: Sinist on 30/06/2004 02:20:04
That formula doesnt take into account the lost skill training time for the regular skills if you only do lvl 4 and not 5.
So every single skill will take longer to train and it will add up and actually reduce that 433 days to ALOT less overall skill training time.
Your math is wrong also.
For trianing level 5 you get +2 attribute points not +1. You will have alot more then 12 attribute points in each attribute.
Time saved from a rank 1 skill with leanring and the respected leanring skills at level 5 saves almost a day.
Which equals out to roughly 40 days to train the learning skills. 40 days of training level 5 skills to earn it back. You save about in total 1/2 day from level 1-4 from level 4-5. So you save 1 and 1/2 days in total training a skill up from level 1 through 5. 40 divided by 1 and 1/2 equals out to 26 days to earn back the 40 days you spent training the learning skills roughly. After the 26 days any skill trianing you do is in the positive of what you would of accomplished with just level 4 learning skills.
You know it also could be 26*5 I dont know. Either way it is a farcry from 400+ days. The logics supplied in that post were very incomplete. If you really want to know the exact numbers ill write it out, I just did this in my heads.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.30 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 30/06/2004 03:47:08
negative.
Electronics with no skills = 11 days 20 hours.
Electronics with all level 1 learning skills = 10 days 13 hours 253
Electronics with all level 2 learning skills = 9 days 11 hours
Electronics with all level 3 learning skills = 8 days 13 hours
Electronics with all level 4 learning skills = 7 days 18 hours
Electronics with all level 5 learning skills = 7 days 2 hours 170
Difference between level 4 and 5 = 16 hours
Training all Learning skills to level 5 if you trianed them in this order =
Analytical Mind = 11 days 20 hours
Instant Recall = 10 days 3 hours
Learning = 7 days 21 hours
Iron Will = 7 days 2 hours
Empathy = 7 days 2 hours
Total = 44 days exactly
Time to break even and gain positive affect of trianing from level 4 to level 5 in learning skills = 66 days exactly on the mark.
Time to break into the positive if you trained only learning skills up to 5 before anything else and then started trianing normally = 13 days.
beleive it or not it is unrefutable math.
because other people post things does not mean it is right. You cannot argue this with me. You will be ignored. I suggest you do the math your own. Learn mathematical logics. And once you can do this then you will understand where I come from. Take it like you want, beleive me or not. It does not matter. This post is 100% accurate as I did the pencil math.
oh and btw this is with a character with 10 attributes starting out. I did not factor in his attribute gains but it would only lessen the time not increase. I also did not factor in the time it takes to train learning from 4 to 5 seperatly in the example of the difference of learning 4 and 5 skills. The end result will be even lower as well, turning the 66 days into something more in line with the 14 days in the other example.
You were thinking too simple to say that it owuld take 400+ days. It only takes weeks or more to be gaining more Skill points. I hope this ends this long standing forum myth. If you still beleive the other numbers then I hope you dont work with math in the real world else we could all be doomeed!
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.01 21:07:00 -
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It is wrong though. You actually receive benefits in very little time. Not over a year.
After the said time is when you start showing you have more skill points as someone who didnt train the learning skills.
A person who trains his learning skills starts to have more skill points right around the time I said and gains benefits over someone who had not. Your math is wrong. My numbers might not be 100$ on the dot accurate but it is a rough estimate. And I did not add the attributed I kept ttem as if they were always 10 of each.
edit: trolling removed - Sherkaner
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.01 21:07:00 -
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It is wrong though. You actually receive benefits in very little time. Not over a year.
After the said time is when you start showing you have more skill points as someone who didnt train the learning skills.
A person who trains his learning skills starts to have more skill points right around the time I said and gains benefits over someone who had not. Your math is wrong. My numbers might not be 100$ on the dot accurate but it is a rough estimate. And I did not add the attributed I kept ttem as if they were always 10 of each.
edit: trolling removed - Sherkaner
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.01 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 01/07/2004 23:41:57
I dont need 1.2 million more skill points then you. I only need 1.
You look at time and how much skill point you have at athat point in time.
Example we both have 6 months old accounts. I trained my learning skills first up to level 5. You trained your up to 4 and then you started training fun stuff. I would have more skill points then you after 6 months and it would be significant.
edit: trolling removed - Sherkaner
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.01 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 01/07/2004 23:41:57
I dont need 1.2 million more skill points then you. I only need 1.
You look at time and how much skill point you have at athat point in time.
Example we both have 6 months old accounts. I trained my learning skills first up to level 5. You trained your up to 4 and then you started training fun stuff. I would have more skill points then you after 6 months and it would be significant.
edit: trolling removed - Sherkaner
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.02 22:56:00 -
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sorry but you guys are wrong.
heh i am not trying to troll its just sarcasm. anyways i dont care if you think it takes 466 days to earn back the invested time. i know that i have more skill points very early on becuase i trained my learning to level 5. all i care about is that big fat total skill points number on my character sheet. not wrong mathetmatical logic and formula about how learning skills dont count towards skill points and all this 1 year nonsense.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.02 22:56:00 -
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sorry but you guys are wrong.
heh i am not trying to troll its just sarcasm. anyways i dont care if you think it takes 466 days to earn back the invested time. i know that i have more skill points very early on becuase i trained my learning to level 5. all i care about is that big fat total skill points number on my character sheet. not wrong mathetmatical logic and formula about how learning skills dont count towards skill points and all this 1 year nonsense.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.03 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 03/07/2004 19:05:26
I understand what you guys are trying to say. I understand your logic. I respectfully dont agree though.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.03 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 03/07/2004 19:05:26
I understand what you guys are trying to say. I understand your logic. I respectfully dont agree though.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.04 07:50:00 -
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in the csm chats they have mentioned advanced learning skills in a few of them. we heard soon but havent seen them. maybe next patch? unless they want to refine the idea, i dont mind waiting.
im more concerned about doing everything possible to close the gap on the players from day 1. my account has been created since day 1 but i had to take a 6 month + vacation and im right around 4 million skill points right now instead of 15+. advanced learning skills might help. the dev even tlaked about accelerating peoples skill training that had very few while slowing down the the people with alot of skill points. this would gradually over an extreme amount of time allow people like myself to catch up to a character who has been active every month. there is no harm done in it really because they have the advantage of having more isk and assets then me and experience, allies etc. i dont think them complaining is very valid.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.04 07:50:00 -
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in the csm chats they have mentioned advanced learning skills in a few of them. we heard soon but havent seen them. maybe next patch? unless they want to refine the idea, i dont mind waiting.
im more concerned about doing everything possible to close the gap on the players from day 1. my account has been created since day 1 but i had to take a 6 month + vacation and im right around 4 million skill points right now instead of 15+. advanced learning skills might help. the dev even tlaked about accelerating peoples skill training that had very few while slowing down the the people with alot of skill points. this would gradually over an extreme amount of time allow people like myself to catch up to a character who has been active every month. there is no harm done in it really because they have the advantage of having more isk and assets then me and experience, allies etc. i dont think them complaining is very valid.
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