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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.04 05:33:00 -
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New FOTM will be nano hero tackle carriers. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.04.04 06:07:00 -
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Dark EvE1 wrote:but in a c3 you have no reason to have carriers
Except of course to do exactly what you had done to you. Big fish, little pond, etc. |
Mike712
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2012.04.04 06:51:00 -
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You are stupid(not paying attention in hostile space) and lost a tengu stupidly(could not escape a carrier tackling you)...totally threadworthy.
I may as well go and delete the KM if its not even API verified.
Regards,
Mike712
The BattleClinic Team
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Dark EvE1
renditions of madness
B A C K B 0 N E
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Posted - 2012.04.07 02:59:00 -
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Mike712 wrote:You are stupid(not paying attention in hostile space) and lost a tengu stupidly(could not escape a carrier tackling you)...totally threadworthy.
I may as well go and delete the KM if its not even API verified.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12977008
there is the API-verified kill as requested as proof, YOU HAPPY :P
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Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.20 07:24:00 -
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This thread is a pretty good argument to nerf the Tengu. A complete moron got caught off guard and still almost didn't die. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.20 08:41:00 -
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Dark EvE1 wrote:
yea cause dreds are pretty much needed in a c5 but in a c3 you have no reason to have carriers
POS defense.
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killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
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Posted - 2012.05.20 08:59:00 -
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the whole situation was fail
huh? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
702
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Posted - 2012.05.20 09:07:00 -
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Berrik Radhok wrote:This thread is a pretty good argument to nerf the Tengu. A complete moron got caught off guard and still almost didn't die.
Seconding. 
If that Tengu was being neuted the way the OP alleges, it should have been capped out and dead in under 4 minutes... and that's still being generous.
The attackers need to come in and give their version of it. My money is on both sides being loltasically dumb. 
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Calhontor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.20 10:05:00 -
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Yes Tengu is OP we know. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
515
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Posted - 2012.05.20 15:38:00 -
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To my mind, the OP has a level of inarticulate enthusiasm generally found only on ******** manchildren and oversized dogs.
I like it |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.05.20 15:45:00 -
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No prop mod on your tengu? No wonder you died.
If you'd had a prop mod you could have been orbiting the sleepers from miles off making it much harder for them to get a warp in. Plus you could have easily outrun the carriers even had they caught you.
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.20 17:09:00 -
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Well, in my mind at least, that Tengu is subbed and fit to tank and have plenty of cap, and we're not taking into account the other guys skills and abilities. Also, it's a wormhole; you can't just spot your prey and pop into a station to fit exactly what you need to kill it fast like they do in lowsec and highsec.
End result, this doesn't say much about the Tengu, so much as it says about not having the ability to scan a ship, check the fit and resists, and potential dps, then fit the exact counter resists and dps and bring your buddies with the same to kill it. Then we've got damage mitigation with the common enough Falcon alt and off-grid booster.
Of course fights, (I mean ganks), in lowsec happen so fast and one side always wins. Simply put, the other guy didn't stand a chance, much less have an opportunity to take even so much as one of their ships with him.
Wormholes don't work that way. It has more to do with skill, ability, and what you have available to fight with. Unlike lowsec or high, you can't just plan to 'PvP' on one particular day of the week either, and make sure you have all your guys there at the right time, because that planning is often circumvented by a lack of targets and opportunity. This means you generally have random times when everybody is there and mixed numbers at all other times.
I doubt that Carrier pilot had anything but Firbolgs, (or maybe the hangar needed to be onlined), and the Abso pilot probably just had that Abso. Their static is a Lowsec, so chances are they were prepped for your usual form of ganker intrusion rather than other wormholers in Tengus, much less Tengus.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, that dual shield amp'd Gist B-Type has lowest cap requirements of the Large Shield boosters, and besides with the right subs the Tengu has a high ability to sustain it but does crap dps and has no drones. His prop. sub was also cap oriented rather than speed oriented.
The fit was for sleeper ratting and countering their neuts, and if I'm not mistaken, those neuts are worse than anything players will throw at you. He was however in a C3, so they wouldn't be a problem with those particular rats.
Also, I doubt those guys read the forums. And Mike712, still your old arrogant self I see. I'm surprised you even still play EVE actually.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
761
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Posted - 2012.05.20 17:31:00 -
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Seems the story is made up, as there is only 1 carrier on the KM. And if he aggressed at all (which you said he did) the other carrier would have been on that.
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Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2012.05.20 17:38:00 -
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Interesting story, I think.  |
Heimdallofasgard
T.O.R.
162
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Posted - 2012.05.20 17:41:00 -
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I rather liked his story...
Kick Heim. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:28:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Well, in my mind at least, that Tengu is subbed and fit to tank and have plenty of cap, and we're not taking into account the other guys skills and abilities. Also, it's a wormhole; you can't just spot your prey and pop into a station to fit exactly what you need to kill it fast like they do in lowsec and highsec.
End result, this doesn't say much about the Tengu, so much as it says about not having the ability to scan a ship, check the fit and resists, and potential dps, then fit the exact counter resists and dps and bring your buddies with the same to kill it. Then we've got damage mitigation with the common enough Falcon alt and off-grid booster.
To be fair most pirates in low sec don't really bother to do that. If you see a fleet coming up the pipe and you have a gate camp up in your home system you might get everyone to quickly swap, but to swap ships for a specific target? Or to bother ship scanning them?
Most people know the resist profiles of the different races, tech levels and specific ships so there's little point in scanning their fit. That's a high sec PvP thing.
Mars Theran wrote:Of course fights, (I mean ganks), in lowsec happen so fast and one side always wins. Simply put, the other guy didn't stand a chance, much less have an opportunity to take even so much as one of their ships with him.
Wormholes don't work that way. It has more to do with skill, ability, and what you have available to fight with. Unlike lowsec or high, you can't just plan to 'PvP' on one particular day of the week either, and make sure you have all your guys there at the right time, because that planning is often circumvented by a lack of targets and opportunity. This means you generally have random times when everybody is there and mixed numbers at all other times.
Low sec corps don't really do this either There are certain times of the day that there are more targets about, so people wanting to PvP will generally log on then, but mostly it's just random fleets that form and dissolve throughout the day.
I used to log on quite late at night and put up a solo gate camp, slowly people would join me and our numbers would go up. Eventually when we had enough people we'd start sending out scouts to find fleets/targets, or just go on a roam with a single scout out ahead.
Mars Theran wrote:I doubt that Carrier pilot had anything but Firbolgs, (or maybe the hangar needed to be onlined), and the Abso pilot probably just had that Abso. Their static is a Lowsec, so chances are they were prepped for your usual form of ganker intrusion rather than other wormholers in Tengus, much less Tengus.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, that dual shield amp'd Gist B-Type has lowest cap requirements of the Large Shield boosters, and besides with the right subs the Tengu has a high ability to sustain it but does crap dps and has no drones. His prop. sub was also cap oriented rather than speed oriented.
The fit was for sleeper ratting and countering their neuts, and if I'm not mistaken, those neuts are worse than anything players will throw at you. He was however in a C3, so they wouldn't be a problem with those particular rats.
Also, I doubt those guys read the forums. And Mike712, still your old arrogant self I see. I'm surprised you even still play EVE actually.
The neuts can be annoying in a C3, a few of the mag sites and radars have spawns filled with upholders, but an AB fit Tengu that is pulsing it's reps can kill the cruisers before capping out (I usually kill them before they even get in range) and orbit the battleships outside of neut range.
Either way, a ship without a prop mod is a sitting duck in a wormhole. The one defence you have is that it is somewhat difficult to get a warp in if you are flying a long range ship. To not capitalize on that is akin to painting a target on your back.
Admittedly the tank and capacitor on that Tengu is ok, but it still isn't going to hold up to a PvP fit hurricane and thanks to the lack of a prop mod a hurricane could land straight on top of it without issue. The only reason to go for that much cap is to circumvent the NPC neuts, and that is unnecessary if you orbit at sufficient range.
(Also, a wh corp that don't know how to kill Tengus? Seriously?)
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adam smash
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:37:00 -
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10min = 15k damage from abso and 35 from thanny? BS
Story had 2 carriers 1 on KM...
The BS is strong with this one. |
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