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Tornikey	Posted - 2008.10.21 15:10:00 - [1] Basically speaking, it should be vice-versa, judging from these two ships' classes.
Donna Divine Gilded Goose Brokerage	Posted - 2008.10.21 15:14:00 - [2] 1. it's T2 2. It's faster 3. It can be nanoed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gilded Goose Brokerages Trading to order.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.10.21 15:15:00 - [3] Ehm, alot of flaws in your argument. First you compare two different ship types. Then you compare a t1 ship with a t2. Then you totally disregard the materials needed to build it - and the cost of those materials. Not to mention the difference in cost to get the respective BPO/BPC. The simple answer to your question is "supply and demand". A more exact answer is somewhere around the answers you find to the questions above.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.21 15:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Tornikey Basically speaking, it should be vice-versa, judging from these two ships' classes. Ishtar: new hotness. Dominix: old and busted. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tornikey	Posted - 2008.10.21 15:19:00 - [5] Thank you for the replies. I just thought that because the Dominix has far larger drone bay and more HPs, it's the same type of ship (a drone carrier), although two classes high (HAC-Battleship). I thought that the pilots learned that Ishtar was more handy because of the higher resists and speed, etc and that was the reason why gradually the price for it went higher than that of Dominix. Thanks again.
Blue Puppet Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.21 15:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Donna Divine 1. it's T2 2. It's faster 3. It can be nanoed 4. 5 Heavys for a Cruiser Hull 5. Resistances are higher (T2) 6. T2 bpo/Invention to make them
xHalcyonx Amarr Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.10.21 15:28:00 - [7] Edited by: xHalcyonx on 21/10/2008 15:28:39 Originally by: Tornikey Thank you for the replies. I just thought that because the Dominix has far larger drone bay and more HPs, it's the same type of ship (a drone carrier), although two classes high (HAC-Battleship). I thought that the pilots learned that Ishtar was more handy because of the higher resists and speed, etc and that was the reason why gradually the price for it went higher than that of Dominix. Thanks again. Protip: Ishtar has the same size drone bay at HAC V. 7. 5 Sentries on a cruiser hull. mmmm, Garde IIs. -------------------
Alt altski	Posted - 2008.10.21 18:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Blue Puppet Originally by: Donna Divine 1. it's T2 2. It's faster 3. It can be nanoed 4. 5 Heavys for a Cruiser Hull 5. Resistances are higher (T2) 6. T2 bpo/Invention to make them 4 - stop using that , its dps sucks compared to a zealot.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.10.21 18:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Ishtar: new hotness. Dominix: old and busted. Bonus points for Men In Black quote.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.10.21 18:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Tornikey Thank you for the replies. I just thought that because the Dominix has far larger drone bay and more HPs, it's the same type of ship (a drone carrier), although two classes high (HAC-Battleship). I thought that the pilots learned that Ishtar was more handy because of the higher resists and speed, etc and that was the reason why gradually the price for it went higher than that of Dominix. Thanks again. You also have to remember that speed includes align time and warp speed. Cruiser sized hulls get around space much quicker than a gang with battleships in does.
N Ano From beyond	Posted - 2008.10.21 18:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Donna Divine 1. it's T2 2. It's faster 3. It can be nanoed qft Originally by: destiny2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yay for warp core stabalizers. --------------------------------------------------------
Crazy Karl Hakata Group Blade.	Posted - 2008.10.21 18:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Ishtar: new hotness. Dominix: old and busted. I know thats Will Smith but I cant get the movie.... Men in Black?
Mifter Hogdido Amarr eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.21 20:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Tornikey Basically speaking, it should be vice-versa, judging from these two ships' classes. Ishtar: new hotness. Dominix: old and busted. The old busted hotness! :P - Will Smith At least once the nano nerf hits?
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.21 20:43:00 - [14] The Ishtar cost more because it's buiding cost is higher, and supply/demand drive the price still more. That's all. ------------------------------------------
B0rn2KiLL Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.21 21:09:00 - [15] Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 21/10/2008 21:09:47 Originally by: Shadowsword The Ishtar cost more because it's buiding cost is higher, and supply/demand drive the price still more. That's all. building cost of an ishtar is 30-35mil for a researched bp, and up to 40 with invented bpc. while a dominix costs around 60-+ to build. it's supply\demand, and its stops there. ishtar is \faster\, more \agile\ and as a result, more fun to fly for people who like that stuff, and hence; fly them too. now considering demand outstrips supply, the intelligent observer can deduce that there are alot of people who like \fast\ and \agile\ ships. --- Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.21 22:18:00 - [16] Man I hate fast and agile ships. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Joshua Calvert Caldari Safespot Industries	Posted - 2008.10.21 22:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Donna Divine 1. it's T2 2. It's faster 3. It can be nanoed What does "nanoed" mean? Reverse engineering?
Fafnir Drake Gallente Boob Heads Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.21 22:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Donna Divine 1. it's T2 2. It's faster 3. It can be nanoed What does "nanoed" mean? Reverse engineering? Nanoed means the ship is set up to go so fast it outruns most, if not all, of the incoming damage. The term comes from a module commonly used to help achieve this result: Nanofiber Internal Structure II ------ "Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure."
Joshua Calvert Caldari Safespot Industries	Posted - 2008.10.21 22:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Fafnir Drake Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Donna Divine 1. it's T2 2. It's faster 3. It can be nanoed What does "nanoed" mean? Reverse engineering? Nanoed means the ship is set up to go so fast it outruns most, if not all, of the incoming damage. The term comes from a module commonly used to help achieve this result: Nanofiber Internal Structure II Ahhh, all these Eve meme's will need to be relearned I can see :P
Shereza	Posted - 2008.10.21 23:11:00 - [20] Something else that drives up the price of the ishtar over the dominix. It'll fit in 3/10 and 4/10 complexes while the dominix won't. Along those lines if you pick it right you can plop your ishtar right in the middle of the hottest spots in some 4/10 complexes and so long as you control aggro on your drones properly you can sit there for hours raking in bounties, loot, salvage, and hacking static cans. Honestly, I'd think that, at least for some people, being able to run a virtually unbeatable ship for what amounts to free, and easy, isk inside of a "safe" high-sec complex would be enough by itself without all the other valid, and probably in many respects superior, reasons already given. But yeah, what it boils down to is: Lower mass Faster align time Higher base speed Higher production cost Smaller size allows for use in more size-limited areas Easier to move in a carrier/freighter/industrial (For now) The "nano" factor The coolness of flying a T2 ship (Situationally) Superior resistances TBH, while very important and very much worth considering there are only a few areas where the dominix is significantly superior to the ishtar. Total effective HP. Much higher base stats across the board, even without the T2 resistance boosts. Fitting ability. It can fit a solid tank that, outside of dedicated kinetic/thermal tanks, meets or exceeds the ishtar's while at the same time providing equal to better DPS by virtue of large reps and guns. Raw DPS. It can fit more guns and bigger guns and do so without severely stressing your CPU or, depending on your gun choices, power grid. The ishtar, depending on your setup, barely has enough CPU and grid for a solid armor tank (hence the popularity of nano-tanking it) or even passive shield. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 00:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Ahhh, all these Eve meme's will need to be relearned I can see :P It's an acronym, not a meme. That is a Templar... sXe
Fifi LeFume Infestation. R.U.R.	Posted - 2008.10.22 00:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Warrio Originally by: Joshua Calvert Ahhh, all these Eve meme's will need to be relearned I can see :P It's an acronym, not a meme. That is a Templar... If it was an acronym, it would be n.a.n.o but its not. Its a short form of nanofiber internalstructure, which is a meme for superfastness
Elantte Render's Rat Race The Giant Secure Container	Posted - 2008.10.22 03:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Fifi LeFume Originally by: Warrio Originally by: Joshua Calvert Ahhh, all these Eve meme's will need to be relearned I can see :P It's an acronym, not a meme. That is a Templar... If it was an acronym, it would be n.a.n.o but its not. Its a short form of nanofiber internalstructure, which is a meme for superfastness well you are half right, it is not an acronym, but it is not a meme either. A meme is a catchy internet phrase like "it's over nine thousand" or "i herd u liek mudkips". 'Nano' is EVE slang, just like calling NPC pirates 'rats and the act of killing them 'ratting.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.10.22 12:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Elantte Originally by: Fifi LeFume Originally by: Warrio Originally by: Joshua Calvert Ahhh, all these Eve meme's will need to be relearned I can see :P It's an acronym, not a meme. That is a Templar... If it was an acronym, it would be n.a.n.o but its not. Its a short form of nanofiber internalstructure, which is a meme for superfastness well you are half right, it is not an acronym, but it is not a meme either. A meme is a catchy internet phrase like "it's over nine thousand" or "i herd u liek mudkips". 'Nano' is EVE slang, just like calling NPC pirates 'rats and the act of killing them 'ratting. Both of you are wrong... it's a fad, a strategy, a way of fitting ships and fighting. Thread is ruined now. OP may like to consider that every HAC is more expensive than the tier 1 BS from the same race. I'm shocked anyone would even ask why.

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