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Cautet Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.22 10:07:00 - [1] If falcons do ever get nerfed RR will be unstoppable. Which is why I think CCP are leaving ECM alone at the moment. It's the only realistic way to break sub-cap RR. Other than brining huge blobs (lets fact it, whatever is the fotm blobbage will always be the favoured eve tactic)
Cautet Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.22 12:48:00 - [2] Edited by: Cautet on 22/10/2008 12:50:07 Originally by: Ugluuk 4 days ago i met a gang consisting of 3 Megathron and 5 falcons.. I asked them why they used so much ecm and they said: Why not, we can attack 10 bs this way and kill them easily as we smartbomb the drones..Smart setup indeed but damn boring for the enemy.. That is ofc an extreme example but Falcon has become the new WCS..A correctly fitted Falcon makes 4-5 BS struggle to hold 2 ships scrambled.. I also believe that Falcon is a reason to the insane blobbing in Eve these days..(they probably have a falcon or 2 guys, lets bring another 5 bs) Can't see them actually getting many kills vs a ten man gang or indeed any gang. They would have been better off with 1/2 falcons and 2/3 logistics ships and/or extra battleships. If they are fighting on gates most/all of the enemy can deagress and jump through. If on stations then most/all enemies could redock. Not many situations where 5 falcons can help more than a balanced gang. edit: Why megas? And if megas then why not rapiers or hugins to hold people in place so megas can get in range? If long range they would need a dedicated tackler also. Seems a very unbalanced gang they had there.
Cautet Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.22 13:36:00 - [3] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Ugluuk 4 days ago i met a gang consisting of 3 Megathron and 5 falcons.. I asked them why they used so much ecm and they said: Why not, we can attack 10 bs this way and kill them easily as we smartbomb the drones..Smart setup indeed but damn boring for the enemy.. That is ofc an extreme example but Falcon has become the new WCS..A correctly fitted Falcon makes 4-5 BS struggle to hold 2 ships scrambled.. I also believe that Falcon is a reason to the insane blobbing in Eve these days..(they probably have a falcon or 2 guys, lets bring another 5 bs) Yeah reminds me of engaging 4 People under sentry aggro last time in my Hype, was quite fun untill her Falcon decloaked. Fit a ECCM and overlaod? I did but didn¦t helped in any way. So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec. So..... you fought a group of 5 whilst under sentry fire and you lost.....and your conclusion is that falcons need to be nerfed....hmmm. Not exactly the conclusion I would have come to in that circumstance. Shame they didn't bring 5 falcons instead of 4 damage dealers and 1 falcon. You could have tanked them forever then.
Cautet Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.22 14:09:00 - [4] With the curse even with your boosters you are no longer competing once he gets his neuts on you. Plus he is tracking disrupting and doing damage. With a rapier - you are not competing in a blaster ship once a rapier gets hold of you. Plus he is doing damage. With another dps ship - you might get lucky and kill something, I guess - but that relys on them making a mistake - and that falcon might accidentaly warp to you at 0. With an arazu - well if you are blaster fitted then it still gets the long distance warp disrupt which means the tacklers can back off slightly and risk less. I can see how the falcon is frustrating to fight against. That alone does not make a ship overpowered. I can also see how many ships in eve are frustrating to fight against, and that cloaked ships are amongst the most frustrating. Just think how frustrated you would be if a guardian came in and started repping your targets - you are just as much out of the fight then.
Cautet Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.22 14:21:00 - [5] Edited by: Cautet on 22/10/2008 14:24:33 Originally by: Foruman Originally by: Cautet With the curse even with your boosters you are no longer competing once he gets his neuts on you. Plus he is tracking disrupting and doing damage. With a rapier - you are not competing in a blaster ship once a rapier gets hold of you. Plus he is doing damage. With another dps ship - you might get lucky and kill something, I guess - but that relys on them making a mistake - and that falcon might accidentaly warp to you at 0. With an arazu - well if you are blaster fitted then it still gets the long distance warp disrupt which means the tacklers can back off slightly and risk less. I can see how the falcon is frustrating to fight against. That alone does not make a ship overpowered. I can also see how many ships in eve are frustrating to fight against, and that cloaked ships are amongst the most frustrating. Just think how frustrated you would be if a guardian came in and started repping your targets - you are just as much out of the fight then. you are either amazingly ignorant or just a troll who fly falcons I promised myself I wouldn't post in another falcon thread because I get dragged into answering flames from trolls. Oh well last post. Anyway let me explain it to you: He is under sentry fire in a blaster ship. Hence he can't use drones. Hence he can't even do damage to a rapier or a curse or arazu, all of which can stay out of his range. He might be using a heavy neut which makes things more interesting although he wouldn't be able to do anything vs the arazu. And some of the ships might be using ecm drones (esp. thorax). However hes not going to beat 5 ships under sentry gun fire. And the game shouldn't be balanced around fighting 5 ships under sentry fire.
Cautet Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.24 13:01:00 - [6] Edited by: Cautet on 24/10/2008 13:05:04 Edited by: Cautet on 24/10/2008 13:03:16 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Malcanis (STFU about Falcons, seriously. Falcons cant kill an AFK autopiloting hauler before it reaches the gate (I've tried). Yes, a balanced gang should have EW and yes the Falcon is the best general purpose EW ship because it's completely specialised in EW. I know already.) That's like saying it's ok for my retribution to have 2000dps because it can't ecm jam an afk ibis before it autopilots to a gate. Erm, your retribution can jam an ibis. In fact it can permajam an ibis. Edit: Retribution with it's one midslot fits one gravametric t2 or best named ECM: Ibis Gravametric Sensor Strength of 4. Base stats on best named or T2 Gravametric ECM = 3.6. With skills this easily goes over 4.

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