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Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 07:53:00 - [1] It seems like I've seen a post to the effect that pretty much everything is getting a nerf one way or the other. So what's still going to be any good? (STFU about Falcons, seriously. Falcons cant kill an AFK autopiloting hauler before it reaches the gate (I've tried). Yes, a balanced gang should have EW and yes the Falcon is the best general purpose EW ship because it's completely specialised in EW. I know already.)
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 08:24:00 - [2] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Malcanis It seems like I've seen a post to the effect that pretty much everything is getting a nerf one way or the other. So what's still going to be any good? (STFU about Falcons, seriously. Falcons cant kill an AFK autopiloting hauler before it reaches the gate (I've tried). Yes, a balanced gang should have EW and yes the Falcon is the best general purpose EW ship because it's completely specialised in EW. I know already.) Anything Caldari, all the HICs, most Amarr stuff... oh, and F A L C O N S Hate...you...sooooooo...much
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 08:25:00 - [3] Originally by: TigerXtrm Originally by: Malcanis So what's still going to be any good? Players who actually manage to adapt will be good. I'm boned...
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 08:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Sokratesz RR bs gangs will be the next FOTM, you heard it here first No h4xplo1t remote-rep resist-buffered remote tracking-boosted commandship gangs...?
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 17:36:00 - [5] Edited by: Malcanis on 22/10/2008 17:38:20 Edited by: Malcanis on 22/10/2008 17:35:55 Originally by: Ugluuk 4 days ago i met a gang consisting of 3 Megathron and 5 falcons.. I asked them why they used so much ecm and they said: Why not, we can attack 10 bs this way and kill them easily as we smartbomb the drones..Smart setup indeed but damn boring for the enemy.. That is ofc an extreme example but Falcon has become the new WCS..A correctly fitted Falcon makes 4-5 BS struggle to hold 2 ships scrambled.. I also believe that Falcon is a reason to the insane blobbing in Eve these days..(they probably have a falcon or 2 guys, lets bring another 5 bs) To my way of thinking, bringing more than 1 falcon per 4-5 gang members is simply a waste of a pilot. At the end of the day, someone has to tackle, tank and do DPS. That gang would have been much much better dropping 3 falcons for a HIC, A gangboosting commandship or a rapier/huginn, and maybe an ECCM sniper-raven/cerb/apoc. I mean sure with 5 falcons, not many gangs their size are gonna kill them, but with megathrons for tackling, who are they going to kill? And even now tbh, I'm still used to being the only ECM ship in gang. The gang you encountered is still very much the exception. Most of the ones I encounter have about 1 ECM ship per 6-10 members, which I reckon is about right. PS What was your gang in? EDIT: You tainted my "falcon free" thread you scumbag!
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 18:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Malcanis OK, so what wont suck after the patch? Dude, I have to admit, the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title: Your girl? -Liang owned
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.23 06:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Kadoes Khan I have a better idea here's a list of things that will suck(it's shorter): You. I already suck, so no change there.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.24 19:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Diehard Si Originally by: TigerXtrm Originally by: Malcanis So what's still going to be any good? Players who actually manage to adapt will be good. Isn;t that what happened with nano? The PVP'ers adapted, found a way and used it. The whiners whined and cried and got things changed. But it doesn't matter, cos soon the people who know what they are doing will find a new way and adapt. The people that cried before will be happy for a while, but soon they'll be too stupid to adapt again and so end up getting killed constantly again and whine on forums. Then a new change rinse and repeat. Exactly. Until the steady abrasion of ship variety leaves us with nothing but gank'n'tank ship types A, B, C & D.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.24 19:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Ugluuk It could be a good move by CCP to make ECM ships less useful..It would boost the solo pvp part of Eve that still someone enjoys and also make tactics a valid part of the game again..(other than using the falcon as the tactic) Here is another example..yesterday we fought a good sized gang that was relying on ECM.. We had 11 ships, they had 22.. Out of the 22 they had 5 blackbirds,3 falcons and ecm drones on the pvp ships.. Due to heavy use of eccm,drones and terrible target calling by them we managed to win the fight.. ECM is a part of Eve, but it should control pvp like it does atm..Or CCP could just add another mid slot to all ships so we can fit ECCM without gimping the setup by removing web or scram.. Wait: You engaged at 2:1 odds vs 8 ECM ships and still won.... ...and your conclusion is that EW ships MUST be nerfed?
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.24 22:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Megan Maynard Seriously, my corp is all ready stocking up on AF's, we all hate seeing CCP do this, but we are adapting and are still going to pwn face come patch time. The real question is if you guys believe it enough for all of you to be training AF 5. ;-) -Liang It's only a 3-week bet. And even if it's wrong, they have to buff AF eventually.... right?

Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.25 22:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 25/10/2008 16:52:39 With the amount of ppl crying over changes one really has to wonder why you see the same faces still playing, crying over their next toys getting changed. Why not just leave the game if you get so upset over it eh pointed at the op* Who's leaving? I'm caldari/amarr T-2 Cruiser specced, so what should I be crying about?

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