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ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.22 20:34:00 - [1] With the upcoming nerf the ishtar will once again be turned into a hac with far to less powergrid to be usefull. The ishtar is also haunted by the fact that it has a stupid 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage, while every ishtar pilot in the game knows it lacks the grid to actually fit guns with any sort of tank, and it only has 3 turret slots anyhow. i suggest you give it 4 turret slots, unbonused, remove a high slot to give it a 6th low slot, and change the hybrid damage bonus to either a rep ammount or resist bonus. (oh, and did i mention it needs more grid) Originally by: deadmaus Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
Keelabich Exotic Dancers Club Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.10.22 20:39:00 - [2] Edited by: Keelabich on 22/10/2008 20:43:25 /signed The guns bonus are imo a reduntant bonus as army says, because once you actually fit medium guns, how are you gonna run tank? small reppers? Either give it a pg boost so it actually can make use of its intended guns bonus, or just revamp so it becomes more a versatile ship. One of the above suggestions would be better than the current situation, and especially future regarding the nanonerf..
slothe Caldari Murky Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.22 21:02:00 - [3] All it needs is a touch more cpu tbh. The gun bonus is odd but not the worst.(maybe swap for rep bonus like myrm?) It can have a good setup, but it needs faction items to be effective, then the cost skyrockets. You have to be careful with the Ishtar tho, tweek it a bit much in the wrong direction and it could easily become overpowered.
ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.22 21:13:00 - [4] Originally by: slothe All it needs is a touch more cpu tbh. The gun bonus is odd but not the worst.(maybe swap for rep bonus like myrm?) It can have a good setup, but it needs faction items to be effective, then the cost skyrockets. You have to be careful with the Ishtar tho, tweek it a bit much in the wrong direction and it could easily become overpowered. thats why i would rather want ubonused guns and a tanking bonus like the myrm. not actually sure how much of a pg boost it will need in the end now that they are nerfing nanos and making afterburner something you would actually consider using on a ship. so i guess the pg issue can wait until the nano changes comes out on tq. the hybrid damage bonus really needs a change though Originally by: deadmaus Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.22 21:15:00 - [5] only bad thing about ishtar is its capacitor is very bad
slothe Caldari Murky Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:06:00 - [6] the ishtar is not meant to have a strong tank due to the potential damage output. i dont think CCP will prioritising tweaking the ishtar when they have 101 more important things to do atm.
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:20:00 - [7] Originally by: slothe the ishtar is not meant to have a strong tank due to the potential damage output. i dont think CCP will prioritising tweaking the ishtar when they have 101 more important things to do atm. So whats it supposed to be? A crappy version of a dominix that you get the pleasure of paying 3 times as much for?
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:26:00 - [8] Wasn't the ishtar supposed to be what the Munnin and Zealot were built to be - that is, a mid-ranged support sniper?
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:28:00 - [9] Well I was running the Ishar with T2 Med Electrons on Sissi, it is possible in a AB fitting, and suprisingly good against preaty mutch any ships(only lost against a Torp Raven). Compared to the Deimos the ship is actualy to good(or the Deimos only is to weak you decide) I had a 1o1 against a Deimos and it was preaty mutch helpless as most of the Turret based ships thx to the extra Med for a Tracking Disruptor and the weaker web plus the decend dualrep Tank. Like the Domi the Powergrid Limitation is there for a reason, balanced up with the more flexible slot Layout and High Slot usabiltiy and the far better flexibilty of the huge Drone bay. You ever get owned by a T2 Neutron Blaster Fitted Domi in Gank mode? I did and funny as hell I was in a compleetly Gank Fitted Mega, was a close one but just a example. Powergrid and CPU Boost on the Deimos made it plain easy to fit(at least with Powergrid Rigs, but you don¦t need Faction or Cosmos Items any more ) for it¦s intendet use and it still can¦t compare with a Isthar in may situations(not talking about Nano on this one). Simply like to underline that the Ishtar is even without a Nano Fitting one of the strongest Hacs out there. It is very flexible in Fitting, needs Faction Mods for CPU but actualy not the hardest fitting around and giving it to mutch Fitting for Gank + Tank is just wrong in the ways of ballance to the Deimos and other Hacs around. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
sAyArrrr Shadows INC	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:28:00 - [10] Edited by: sAyArrrr on 22/10/2008 22:30:50 Originally by: slothe the ishtar is not meant to have a strong tank due to the potential damage output. i dont think CCP will prioritising tweaking the ishtar when they have 101 more important things to do atm. Now go find out how potential the damage is on a ship that has 3 gunslots wich only can be fitted with small guns, hence losing a shipbonus with a dronedamage that gets up to 450dps+ wich is fully destroyable with guns+web/smartbombs/missiles/drones easy... Zealot anyone?
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:36:00 - [11] Edited by: The Djego on 22/10/2008 22:36:59 Originally by: sAyArrrr Edited by: sAyArrrr on 22/10/2008 22:30:50 Originally by: slothe the ishtar is not meant to have a strong tank due to the potential damage output. i dont think CCP will prioritising tweaking the ishtar when they have 101 more important things to do atm. Now go find out how potential the damage is on a ship that has 3 gunslots wich only can be fitted with small guns, hence losing a shipbonus with a dronedamage that gets up to 450dps+ wich is fully destroyable with guns+web/smartbombs/missiles/drones easy... Zealot anyone? Zealot is complettly helpless vs a Ishtar, put one Tracking Disruptor on it get close, win. Destroying bonused Heavys isn¦t this easy. If you say Web + Guns it is a clear example you havn¦t tryed it on Sissi yet since the 60% Web and guns fails even for T2 Electron Blasters(the medium Turret with the best base Tracking around...). ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Cyb3r Thr3at Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:39:00 - [12] i agree
Azuse Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:46:00 - [13] It's fine the way it is and easily the most flexible hac. Don't ask ccp to go fixing something that isn't broke, they'll break it more. Oh, and the cheapest way to free cpu is use a faction ex hardener, since you need one anyway it's not a big deal, particularly for the price and they're hevily neglecte e.g Shadow serps have the same stats as ts but are still cheaper. -------------------------
Rajere Vicious Inc	Posted - 2008.10.23 07:53:00 - [14] Quote: 60% Web and guns fails even for T2 Electron Blasters(the medium Turret with the best base Tracking around...). Dual 180mm AC's are the best tracking medium turrets in game. ACs have by far the best tracking in game, except for large where they are only the best by a little bit, because large projectile weapons do not scale proportionally from M to L like all other turrets. -------------------------- NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.10.23 08:12:00 - [15] Originally by: EFT Warrior Wasn't the ishtar supposed to be what the Munnin and Zealot were built to be - that is, a mid-ranged support sniper? Yeah, always. You know, cause it's base hull is the vexor - a ship that relies soley on its guns. Idiot. But yeah, with the OP. Needs some more PG and the med hybrid bonus changed. Not sure about a repping bonus, but I can't think of anything better. ----------
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.23 10:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Franga Originally by: EFT Warrior Wasn't the ishtar supposed to be what the Munnin and Zealot were built to be - that is, a mid-ranged support sniper? Yeah, always. You know, cause it's base hull is the vexor - a ship that relies soley on its guns. Idiot. But yeah, with the OP. Needs some more PG and the med hybrid bonus changed. Not sure about a repping bonus, but I can't think of anything better. drone speed would be a cool bonus, make them nice anti-fast-stuff ships, I often fit a drone nav computer to drone ships just so my drones can keep up with some faster stuff.
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.10.23 10:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Rajere ACs have by far the best tracking in game, except for large where they are only the best by a little bit, because large projectile weapons do not scale proportionally from M to L like all other turrets. It's 10% tracking difference at best(d180's vs electrons), in other cases it's 5% or less(i.e. 425s and neutrons). Funny, but small neutrons track better than 200mm ACs :)
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.10.23 11:15:00 - [18] Edited by: The Djego on 23/10/2008 11:15:39 Originally by: Rajere Quote: 60% Web and guns fails even for T2 Electron Blasters(the medium Turret with the best base Tracking around...). Dual 180mm AC's are the best tracking medium turrets in game. ACs have by far the best tracking in game, except for large where they are only the best by a little bit, because large projectile weapons do not scale proportionally from M to L like all other turrets. Ok point taken, but only wanted to underline that the Web(60%) + Guns Tactic against Drones don¦t work that good any more, like it used to be. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Cornette Gallente Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.10.23 11:36:00 - [19] A fourth gun-slot and 15 more base cpu would make the Ishtar nice for armor tanking. But no repping bonus pls, that sounds to overpowered.
Ikathis sihtaki	Posted - 2008.11.30 19:48:00 - [20] Remove gun bonus give it drone tracking speed/range (sentry drone bonus) a tad more cpu to fit the drone upgrades, i be happy.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.30 22:34:00 - [21] i believe the deimos needs to be boosted before the possibility of thinking of boosting the ishtar even happens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
sAyArrrr Minmatar Omyst Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 22:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Letifer Deus i believe the deimos needs to be boosted before the possibility of thinking of boosting the ishtar even happens Verry true, but the ishtar has its troubles (imho, cpu/grid mostly) for a long while now as well, and the dronenerfs wherent really gentle with it either..
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.30 22:49:00 - [23] Originally by: EFT Warrior Wasn't the ishtar supposed to be what the Munnin and Zealot were built to be - that is, a mid-ranged support sniper? Except that such support is very mobile and warps out many times during a fight when shot at. You will only have 2, max 3, sets of sentries and when they are gone you are worthless.
Lano Calani	Posted - 2008.12.01 00:29:00 - [24] I am gonna post a fit, cos hey, this is the ships forum [Ishtar, Gank AND Tank? ( Kinda )] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Small F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 200 Small F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 200 Warp Scrambler II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Anti-Explosive Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Ogre II x5 I know the double booster is a bit odd, but the cap on this thing is not that great, I know you guys will find a million reasons why this setup stinks, but I wanted to add something to this thread, cos I love ishtars O.o

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