if you sell below mins value, I may do any of

(a) reproc your goods and build something valuable with your mins
(b) reproc your goods and sell the mins
(c) keep your goods until the market recovers. which may be as little as 10 minutes after your order is cleared
(d) take your good elsewhere to sell.

IMO since people selling below mins cost lose 10% or more of what they could earn all the time, they never really come to mean much market wise anyway - they lose the essential profit margin that would grow their businesses to being price setting meaningful. When you do what you do, you only earn money at roughly the rate you yank it out of rocks.

In any case look up opportunity cost, and recognise that if you do something that earns you 10mil of something an hour, and forgo doing something that earns you 30mil an hour, you are doing nothing other than losing yourself 20mil an hour (presuming risks are equivalent).

I heared some one saying somthing like {Quote: 'You have miners "minerals i mine are free" killing profits."

now i'm confused

yes you have infestment in skills and ships and moduls but thats the same with missions and incursions and other stuf
yes you have time infestments. but that is the same with other way's of making money

yes you can say "that mineral is worth that amount of isk on the market so thats the value"

of course when i make T1 stuf and sell it on the market i need to calculate the mineral prices in the sell price

but what is against mining the minerals you need to need, altough only for parts? when you rpoduce stuf you have to wait a certain amount of time before it is finisched. you can sit in sation alday or do some missioning or you can do some minning and cut some cost out
lets sayyou need 100m tritanium on a weekly basis. at current prices it will cost you +- 480m isk. when you mine 30m tritanium yourself it will cut 144m isk of YOUR costs as you have to buy 30m tritanium less. but ofcourse you still let the buyers pay for that 30m tritanium as if you bought it of market
in my thinking it is that you have more marching to play with prices. because if i buy everything my prices need to be higher because i need to break even to keep going and i want to make profit on the way. when i keep the need to buy as low as possible by the meens of mining it is for me possible to play with the price a little more

explain to me way your thinking is diferent. don't come with one liners as 'minirals aren't free'. if it is so explain to me why they arn't free.

I heared some one saying somthing like {Quote: 'You have miners "minerals i mine are free" killing profits."

now i'm confused

yes you have infestment in skills and ships and moduls but thats the same with missions and incursions and other stuf
yes you have time infestments. but that is the same with other way's of making money

yes you can say "that mineral is worth that amount of isk on the market so thats the value"

of course when i make T1 stuf and sell it on the market i need to calculate the mineral prices in the sell price

but what is against mining the minerals you need to need, altough only for parts? when you rpoduce stuf you have to wait a certain amount of time before it is finisched. you can sit in sation alday or do some missioning or you can do some minning and cut some cost out
lets sayyou need 100m tritanium on a weekly basis. at current prices it will cost you +- 480m isk. when you mine 30m tritanium yourself it will cut 144m isk of YOUR costs as you have to buy 30m tritanium less. but ofcourse you still let the buyers pay for that 30m tritanium as if you bought it of market
in my thinking it is that you have more marching to play with prices. because if i buy everything my prices need to be higher because i need to break even to keep going and i want to make profit on the way. when i keep the need to buy as low as possible by the meens of mining it is for me possible to play with the price a little more

explain to me way your thinking is diferent. don't come with one liners as 'minirals aren't free'. if it is so explain to me why they arn't free.

for example if you are making an item that sells for 50 mil isk, you have 40 mil worth of the needed mats, but still need 15 mil worth of Trit to complete it. You can mine the 15 mil worth of trit and say your time mining it was worth less than 15 mil so you could sell at 50 mil for a profit. Your manufacturing may break even, however you are still losing 5 mil out of your mining profits by doing this as that trit could have been sold for 15 mil.

- the OP is asking if it is OK to forsake logic and sell the ship for 95 mill after all he now paid 80 mill for minerals instead of 100 mill

of course when i make T1 stuf and sell it on the market i need to calculate the mineral prices in the sell price

P.S. As long as it is fun for you, do it. It's a GAME after all.

Minerals I Mine Are Free (MIMAF) is a great tactic.

If you enjoy playing that way, good for you. A bunch of the people who rant about MIMAF are the same who gloat about the "tears" they extract via PvP.

Your MIMAF production is just another kind of PvP, enjoy the tears you extract, I hear they are delicious.

P.S. As long as it is fun for you, do it. It's a GAME after all.

@Zircon Dasher I'll try to explain.

- buying minerals worth 100 mill ISK
- manufacture a ship and try to sell it for 110 mill ISK (this gives a 10 mill profit)

Now you realize that you have to wait 24h, so you go mine.

- in that day you mined 20 mill ISK of ORE
- the OP is asking if it is OK to forsake logic and sell the ship for 95 mill after all he now paid 80 mill for minerals instead of 100 mill (he mined the 20 mill himself)
- the OP now notices that he gets a 15 mil profit selling the ship at 95 mill because he only paid 80 mill for minerals.

- the truth is that paying 100 mill gives a 10 mill profit per ship and the mined minerals would give an additional 20 mill profit


@Zircon Dasher I respect anyones decision if he doesn't want to play by the rules, but if you think that any of use answered the OPs questions incorrect or if we misunderstood him then pls explain further. I'd try my best to solve this mystery :D

in my thinking it is that you have more marching to play with prices. because if i buy everything my prices need to be higher because i need to break even to keep going and i want to make profit on the way. when i keep the need to buy as low as possible by the meens of mining it is for me possible to play with the price a little more

: "Why are you wasting time again with playing those stupid video games, why don't you go do something more useful."

The one place where someone may object to your reasoning is in the choice to mine vs. some other activity. Someone may object by saying mining 20m ISK/hr "worth" of minerals produces less utility than running a mission at 30m ISK/hr. However, this only makes sense when you play EVE because of the ISK/hr you can make. It is entirely subjective and therefore a fairly **** argument.

EDIT

Staying on the theme of maximizing utility in relation to time

Depending on your preferences for how to spend your time in game, it can actually be worth it to place items on the market for less than the mineral value. Some people will gladly buy a 100m ISK stack of items so that they can reprocess them for 102m ISK at a hub that is 10 jumps away.

Nope. This is you not bothering to calculate the value of hauling logistics to yourself

non hubs rarely contain the entire manufacturing basket of mins

Mining the wrong mins is an opportunity cost.

Building stuff that is unprofitable ties up capital which is an opportunity cost. Building stuff in the wrong place so that it ties up capital and can't be profitable ls an opportunity cost. Owning an unprofitable BPO is an opportunity cost. Buying bpcs to make unprofitable things is moving from opportunity costs to outright loss. Copying a BPO that can't make a profit manufacturing is more profitable than manufacturing. etc.

I have always been able to find several highsec non-trade-hub systems where the entire basket is available for t1. This is very true for low/0.0/wh or if you are doing t2/t3 manufacture
EDIT: volume may or may not be an issue and is highly dependent upon person.

Only if you are able to mine and refine better mins.

More importantly
Notice the use of the words "can" and "may" in this post and previous posts.