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Valfort
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Posted - 2008.10.23 12:58:00 -
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I just started level 4s yesterday and it seemed to be more painful than it should have been. I was doing the blood smuggler interception mission if that helps.
My current setup:
lows:
BCU II
BCU II
BCU II
PDU II
Photonic Cpu Enhancer I
Mids:
C-5L XL Shield booster
Cap Booster II (booster 800s)
Invuln II
(rat specific hardener II)
(rat specific hardener II)
Ionic field enhancer I (named shield boost amp)
Highs:
6x Siege Launcher II (Juggernaut javelins while out of normal range, caldari navy juggernauts once in that range)
rigs:
Core defence capacitor safeguard I
CCC I
Anxillary current router I (gonna switch this one out once AWU IV is done)
drone skills kinda suck so using 4 valkrie Is, planning on working up to T2 drones after i'm done with AWU.
Any changes that could make life doing Lv4s a bit easier? Things were kinda hectic as I was flying through my cap booster charges just to keep my shield booster going.
on a more random side note:
that mission is evil, warping you in 70km away from the next gate in a BS, had time to get a friend to bring me cap booster charges during the painfully long slowboating time.
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.10.23 13:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Valfort
I just started level 4s yesterday and it seemed to be more painful than it should have been. I was doing the blood smuggler interception mission if that helps.
Just stay away from the cap-sucking Blood Raider missions. |
Rachel Voegel
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Posted - 2008.10.23 14:36:00 -
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Many people use cruise missiles - worth a try?
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Valfort
Caldari
The Red Dragoons
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Posted - 2008.10.23 14:46:00 -
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I was thinking of that also, would remove the need for the fitting rig/low slots, allowing for more damage mods or cap mods, wouldnt my that make my DPS suffer, thus betraying the 'less tank, more gank' rule?
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.10.23 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Valfort
I was thinking of that also, would remove the need for the fitting rig/low slots, allowing for more damage mods or cap mods, wouldnt my that make my DPS suffer, thus betraying the 'less tank, more gank' rule?
Technically yes - but since most rats are less than bs size, the cruise missiles will actually do more damage.
Try it out - I think you will prefer cruise over torps.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2008.10.23 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ghengis Tia on 23/10/2008 16:34:09
I go with cruises and Warhead Rigor Catalyst I's (3 ea) for rigs. They reduce the explosion radius so that their entire dps can be directed at BC's, Cruisers, and Destroyers, and of course, BS's. Killspeed doubles as tank.
They'll even take down a webbing frigate after a few volleys, if yer drones aren't up to the task.
I sit out at 70k, have a drone link augmentor in one of the empty highs, and have no problem with tank (using two Small Pithum B-Type SB's).
This is a complete turnaround of your current fitting, tho, and you'll have to fit an AB instead of a SB amp to get to those far away acceleration gates.
You can probably downgrade to a Large SB, as the XL w/o CCC1's may eat too much cap. I was skeptical of the two small faction SB setup, but seems to work fine and use very little cap. |
Metallion1
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Posted - 2008.10.25 14:00:00 -
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I've tried cruise and torps many times .
Imo , stick with cruise missiles with a painter .
The flight time , compared to torps , will even make the missions go faster .
And to go one better , save enough ISK for a Golem .... salvage as you kill .
It's the one stop mission runner . No going back for destroyers etc;
And Golem's hold is very large , another big plus . |
Harrent
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.25 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Metallion1
I've tried cruise and torps many times .
Imo , stick with cruise missiles with a painter .
Just switched a Meta 4 painter (too long a name to put here), QFT, this method works amazingly well. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.25 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Harrent
Just switched a Meta 4 painter (too long a name to put here), QFT, this method works amazingly well.
Just use the initials...
P.W.N.A.G.E.
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People Eater
No Limit Productions
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.25 23:56:00 -
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First use 3x rigs for extending your torpedoes range. 2x velocity rigs and 1 flight time. This will give you awesome range and you will be able to hit your targets before they can hit you meaning you will not have to tank nearly as much.
Use 4x rat specific hardeners. Forget the invuln field unles the rats you are going up against do more than 2 types of damage. Fighting against guristas with 2x thermal and kinetic hardeners really makes your day easy.
I don't know how good your fitting skills are so cpu will be a problem. Train up launcher rigging to 4 and cpu shouldn't be a problem.
One last note. Train for T2 drones NOW! 
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Leandro Salazar
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2008.10.26 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 26/10/2008 07:41:30
Yes, torpedoes without target painter, range rigs and near perfect missile range skills (at least 13 total levels in Missile Projection, Missile Bombardement and Caldari Battleship) are a very bad idea. Unless you have all these things, stick to cruise.
But once you fulfill the requirements, they are quite a bit better than cruise missiles in the good missions (Unless you run for Caldari which I understand have a lot of NPCs starting at 100km from you).
That babbling by the cruise fanciers about too many cruisers, flight time and stuff is just not true. Good torp setups one-volley all BCs and many cruisers too (And in fact most missions worth doing have much more of the effecive NPC HP in BSes, cruiser abundance only exists if you are dumb or desperate enough to run all the crap missions like Massive Attack), jav torps are plenty fast and flight time only matters on the very first shot anyway, torps do 40% more damage to targets within 35km range, and torps are practically immune to defenders while cruise people lose up to 40% of their dps to defenders (but probably do not realize this...) |
Tiirae
The New Era
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.26 12:12:00 -
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Range is the most important factor in L4 missions; while cruises do less damage, the time spent getting into range for torps negates the dps advantage and in fact makes them far worse.
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Leandro Salazar
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2008.10.26 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae
Range is the most important factor in L4 missions; while cruises do less damage, the time spent getting into range for torps negates the dps advantage and in fact makes them far worse.
This depends entirely upon which missions you run. If you indeed have to move to get in range, you are doing it wrong. (And yes, running missions for Caldari qualifies as 'doing it wrong' imho :P)
My agents give me mostly missions with enough NPCs in or very near torp engagement range, and if one or two groups hang back, you just aggro them early so when you are finished with the close groups, they have moved in range by themselves. The only instance where I would like my torps traded for cruise is WC room one, but seeing how torps totally pwn Rooms two and three, it is a minor issue. Not to mention killing things you want to salvage at more than 40km is a big nono anyway. |
Traska Gannel
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Posted - 2008.10.26 12:54:00 -
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Just to second some of the ideas :)
1) Use cruise instead of torpedoes for now - they let you stay at a longer range which reduces incoming DPS
2) Train drone skills - ideally you need 5 tech II medium drones - drone interfacing is also an important skill since Drone Interfacing V will double the damage of your drones - drones are great at taking out frigates and cruisers
3) As mentioned - for mission running - drop the invulnerability field and stick to rat specific damage hardeners
4) Ravens often have 3 CCC rigs - I don't have a Cap booster on mine so that is something you can probably swap out down the road.
5) Web/scram frigs can be killed quickly by locking them as they fly toward you and hitting them while their MWD is on. 2 cruise launchers will usually kill them in 2 or 3 volleys for me - this can help in missions where you are concerned about being scrambled and saves you spending a lot of time killing them while the NPC DPS ships close in (this is where drones come in too ...) (You may to train the locking time reduction skill to help with this).
6) Train long range targetting so you can lock from longer ranges.
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dafone reese
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Posted - 2008.11.02 12:11:00 -
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i got advice for ya, dont shield tank, use a domi if you can or a HAC, sentry drones and t2 large and med drones.
i myself use an ishtar for L4's solo. though its easy for me as i am an old character and have lots of skills/sp.
do more training young skywalker. lol
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Mardris Fol
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Posted - 2008.11.04 13:32:00 -
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I just completed my first solo level 4 in my Myrmidon.
I may have been lucky (Massive Attack) but only one BS even managed to get through my shield and I was armour tanking.
The key definitely appears to be maintaining distance, as at 35-40km+ nothing much really hits you in a BC.
I may try some more but I'm just worried I'll get caught and webbed in a situation with more dps focussed on me (I was webbed etc in this but it didn't make much difference), as I'm running with one repper so I can field 6x 250mm hyrbids :).
This is inclining me more towards the HAC route than towards a BS at the moment.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.11.04 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mardris Fol
I just completed my first solo level 4 in my Myrmidon.
I may have been lucky (Massive Attack) but only one BS even managed to get through my shield and I was armour tanking.
The key definitely appears to be maintaining distance, as at 35-40km+ nothing much really hits you in a BC.
I may try some more but I'm just worried I'll get caught and webbed in a situation with more dps focussed on me (I was webbed etc in this but it didn't make much difference), as I'm running with one repper so I can field 6x 250mm hyrbids :).
This is inclining me more towards the HAC route than towards a BS at the moment.
Massive Joke isn't really a Level 4 mission. Don't base anything off that thing.
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Selling Gallente, Minmatar and SoE faction goodies (including Virtue implants).
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.04 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mardris Fol
I just completed my first solo level 4 in my Myrmidon.
I may have been lucky (Massive Attack) but only one BS even managed to get through my shield and I was armour tanking.
The key definitely appears to be maintaining distance, as at 35-40km+ nothing much really hits you in a BC.
Using a Myrm is just cheating (that's why I do it) 
They armour tank well enough for 95% of the the L4 missions, and can put up a 1200+ DPS tank if you shield-tank them (at the cost of speed) for the remaining 5%. And regardless of your tank type (but especially when armour tanking), you'll be a lot smaller than what their weapons can effectively hit and damage, so already there you've reduced how much you need to tank.
Also, while range certainly helps in some cases — it's not like the BS rats will be able to hunt you down — you can also go the other way and fit for speed and close range. Travel at 400 m/s within 5km of any BS rat (even the short-range ones), and they just won't be able to track you. Get your speed up a bit more and even longer-ranged ones will start missing a lot. It's not exactly speed-tanking since it's only BS-class weapons that will be affected, and you'll only really nullify one enemy completely. It still increases your survivability a fair bit, and allows you to employ high-damage/short-range weapons as an added bonus.
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Marzaris Onbarny
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Posted - 2008.11.05 20:01:00 -
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It appears that you have alot of advice here but i would recomend right off the get go, replace one of the bcus with a dmg control II, if your shield tanking this is a + straight % to your restances, im over 80 when the rats have 2 dmg types for all my missions, and around 80% for all when need to omni tank (76% em is lowest.
if your useing cruise get a target painter. it helps so much
you also need and this should be the next thing you tain, 5 drones
you need 5 drones out at all times, its free dmg and a faster kil on the scram frigs than you can get without presion cruise.
get those drone skills up.
ALso no one talks about tactics. if your useing cruise its far better to kill the cruisers and bcs first then work on the bs, than to go for the big ships, the only exception to this is for instance if your tanking Sanshas nation 6 bs and 6 bcs, but one of the bs's is a seriphim, (they do em dmg ) for sanash your tanked for exp and kin, so you wanna take that guy out first.
remeber the beest thig you can have is info on what your going to see use eve survival and take the time to change your set ups befor eeach mission.
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Vicious Merquise
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Posted - 2008.11.06 09:25:00 -
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1. Can someone explain why my avatar pic doesn't show up? It's not just the pic my EVEMON can't pick up the pic off the website or the eve cache???
2, I witnessed a major glitch on one of the Caldari lvl 4 missions. :( Sense I managed to use a BS once again on my main, the npc's feel more challenging then they did 2 yrs ago with w/e noob setup I probably had. v_v
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Cl2ys1s
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Posted - 2008.11.06 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Cl2ys1s on 06/11/2008 09:28:03
*bump*
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