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sfsdf	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:50:00 - [1] At the test server, i faced a maelstorm three times: first in the domi, fitted properly to nos/neut out with 30k shield of plates = fail, he ended in 8% structure second one, i tryed the domi again, this time with one of those setups 7x heavy neuts t2, tanking, etc... he ended poping me in 20% shield with more cap boosters than me third and last time tryed a megathron, with a setup with damage mod and tanking, i won by 20% structure something like that i'm 28m SP i used the most rated setups in battleclinic. Tell me another way to pwn a Maelstorm? those are a beast imo.
bldyannoyed Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:53:00 - [2] Heres a tip. GET OFF SISI. On TQ that Maelstrom woulda needed a web and scrambler in order to kill you,directly nerfing his tank, and lets not forget the HG Crystal set he was probably running. Sisi does not equal TQ.
Aya Vandenovich	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:55:00 - [3] This might just be mad talk, but if all of your damage is coming from drones try orbiting with an AB to see if that will mitigate the damage a bit.
sfsdf	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:57:00 - [4] Originally by: bldyannoyed Heres a tip. GET OFF SISI. On TQ that Maelstrom woulda needed a web and scrambler in order to kill you,directly nerfing his tank, and lets not forget the HG Crystal set he was probably running. Sisi does not equal TQ. Thanks, i get the facts now Originally by: Aya Vandenovich This might just be mad talk, but if all of your damage is coming from drones try orbiting with an AB to see if that will mitigate the damage a bit. Thanks aswell, that's true i didn't tryed using an AB, but it would take my cap off, his tank resist my dps so, anyway what ^ said its true, he might had some fancy implants
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:59:00 - [5] clearly this shows how overpowered the maelstrom is, CCP should probably nerf it because its a) overpowered b) minmatar paging astro to this thread
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.10.25 13:00:00 - [6] Edited by: The Djego on 25/10/2008 13:04:52 Edited by: The Djego on 25/10/2008 13:02:07 Originally by: sfsdf At the test server, i faced a maelstorm three times: first in the domi, fitted properly to nos/neut out with 30k shield of plates = fail, he ended in 8% structure second one, i tryed the domi again, this time with one of those setups 7x heavy neuts t2, tanking, etc... he ended poping me in 20% shield with more cap boosters than me third and last time tryed a megathron, with a setup with damage mod and tanking, i won by 20% structure something like that i'm 28m SP i used the most rated setups in battleclinic. Tell me another way to pwn a Maelstorm? those are a beast imo. Actualy a real TQ Mealstorm pops and tanks any Gallente BS with ease, can¦t even break the tank with a gank fitted Mega and next to max Skills(about 1.5k DPS after overload, this is a standard small Gang fitting of the Mealstorm T2 only, no Tackle). Only if the Mealstorm fits tackle and MWD it comes down in tank to beatalbe levels, but well this is not realy the best fitting for the ship. It is a briliant gang ship for his ability to tank like hell while beeing gank fitted, for solo Phoon is the better ship in the end. Also if I know someone that uses the Meal with a Faction Kit and LG Crystals, its fun as hell if he jumps in Camps first taking all the aggro and local goes "WTF?". ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.25 13:04:00 - [7] Neut domi should do the job on TQ. And a maelstrom does not tank 1.5k dps.
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.10.25 13:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Furb Killer Neut domi should do the job on TQ. And a maelstrom does not tank 1.5k dps. It does, overload the Invus and some Booster cycles, also a ship that deals 1.5k EFT DPS is not likly most of the time to break a 1.2k DPS Tank in a resonalbe Time... ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
sfsdf	Posted - 2008.10.25 13:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Furb Killer Neut domi should do the job on TQ. And a maelstrom does not tank 1.5k dps. It might not that much, but half or more, and godly dps of 750~ :(
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.25 13:15:00 - [10] In 1v1 situations active tanks are better anyway usually (unless you got too many neuts on you). A hype can also tank the dps from a maelstrom, then it is just a matter of who runs out of cap boosters first. With the difference that the hype has point and web on the maelstrom, while the hype can just warp out.
sfsdf	Posted - 2008.10.25 13:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Furb Killer In 1v1 situations active tanks are better anyway usually (unless you got too many neuts on you). A hype can also tank the dps from a maelstrom, then it is just a matter of who runs out of cap boosters first. With the difference that the hype has point and web on the maelstrom, while the hype can just warp out. That's true, 1v1 is something hard to find nowadays
Archonus Art of War	Posted - 2008.10.25 17:13:00 - [12] With crystals and a blue pill booster, faction fit full tank maelstroms can tank 5000+ burst dps relatively easily.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.26 15:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Gneeznow clearly this shows how overpowered the maelstrom is, CCP should probably nerf it because its a) overpowered b) minmatar paging astro to this thread I cancelled my subscription(s). But yes, fix minmatar/projectiles/trash/etc...
Evan Batarr	Posted - 2008.10.26 15:48:00 - [14] Posting in a minmatar¦BS are uber thread Well, no, actually. And after they nerfed Locus Rigs into uselessnes after next patch (stacking) Minmatar will end up with NO Long Range fleet BS (and no, 120 - 170 km is NOT Long Range!) while every other race will have at least one (apoc, rokh, mega) that can fight at ranges over 200km and be DD-proof at the same time. Well, nerf minmatar!!!!!
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.26 15:54:00 - [15] On Sisi, Maelstroms are likely to have HG Crystals and possibly pimped gear...
Nova Satar Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.10.26 16:23:00 - [16] im not sure i understand you killed a maelstrom with a megathron, then came here to claim the maelstrom was overpowered? what?
SickSeven	Posted - 2008.10.26 16:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Nova Satar im not sure i understand you killed a maelstrom with a megathron, then came here to claim the maelstrom was overpowered? what? that's exactly what i was thinking.....
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2008.10.26 19:58:00 - [18] Originally by: SickSeven Originally by: Nova Satar im not sure i understand you killed a maelstrom with a megathron, then came here to claim the maelstrom was overpowered? what? that's exactly what i was thinking..... Clearly, it was supposed to die faster, dammit.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.26 20:44:00 - [19] He probably had a crystal set, which means he could almost outright tank you. On tq theres almost no chance youll find somebody like that.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.26 20:50:00 - [20] why didn't you just warp out. . . ---- ECCM is a Counter-measure not a defense.
Charnivale Villains	Posted - 2008.10.26 20:54:00 - [21] Ok before any devs get their filthy eyes on this thread and nerf minnies only working battleship. Lets just make some stuff absolutely clear. What you describe here is a maelstrom with absolutely no tackling abilities what so ever. To do what you said he does, he will sacrifice every midslot he got to a tank. And every higslot must be guns. That means that you are free to run away from "the beast" whenever it suits you. The Maelstrom would not be so lucky if he decided he needed to get away. You also run a test with a tier 1 and 2 ship against a tier 3 ship. What is this? " i am Gallente, i should win against a minnie ship on default"? The Maelstrom has one purpose, wich is to absorb and deal damage. She does that with style, i agree. For once, Minnies have a battleship that can stand up to the other races battleships. What about you just deal with it.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.26 21:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Charnivale Ok before any devs get their filthy eyes on this thread and nerf minnies only working battleship. Lets just make some stuff absolutely clear. What you describe here is a maelstrom with absolutely no tackling abilities what so ever. To do what you said he does, he will sacrifice every midslot he got to a tank. And every higslot must be guns. That means that you are free to run away from "the beast" whenever it suits you. The Maelstrom would not be so lucky if he decided he needed to get away. You also run a test with a tier 1 and 2 ship against a tier 3 ship. What is this? " i am Gallente, i should win against a minnie ship on default"? The Maelstrom has one purpose, wich is to absorb and deal damage. She does that with style, i agree. For once, Minnies have a battleship that can stand up to the other races battleships. What about you just deal with it. Actually in gang work I would take a phoon gangmate over a maelstrom gangmate any day, but the above is true.
ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.26 21:17:00 - [23] Originally by: goodby4u He probably had a crystal set, which means he could almost outright tank you. On tq theres almost no chance youll find somebody like that. your telling me that not everyone has a crystal set these days? im gonna pod the guy that sold a set to me then saying everyone has them
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.10.26 21:18:00 - [24] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Charnivale Ok before any devs get their filthy eyes on this thread and nerf minnies only working battleship. Lets just make some stuff absolutely clear. What you describe here is a maelstrom with absolutely no tackling abilities what so ever. To do what you said he does, he will sacrifice every midslot he got to a tank. And every higslot must be guns. That means that you are free to run away from "the beast" whenever it suits you. The Maelstrom would not be so lucky if he decided he needed to get away. You also run a test with a tier 1 and 2 ship against a tier 3 ship. What is this? " i am Gallente, i should win against a minnie ship on default"? The Maelstrom has one purpose, wich is to absorb and deal damage. She does that with style, i agree. For once, Minnies have a battleship that can stand up to the other races battleships. What about you just deal with it. Actually in gang work I would take a phoon gangmate over a maelstrom gangmate any day, but the above is true. It was gneez, he started it. Well ofc the Mealstorm could use a serious nerf to be more in line with the pest. On the other hand seriously it is a great gang ship, and it wins against Gallente ships by his Boni and his superior Tank, not because any game imbalance. Solo check out the Mealstorm tank, if it don¦t breaks get out, in a gang, don¦t primary it while having other BS around. Phoon over Meal in Gangs well depends, RR Phoon is very cool for a Gang but when it comes to Tanking/DPS Mealstorm hands down.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.27 09:33:00 - [25] Originally by: sfsdf At the test server, i faced a maelstorm three times: first in the domi, fitted properly to nos/neut out with 30k shield of plates = fail, he ended in 8% structure second one, i tryed the domi again, this time with one of those setups 7x heavy neuts t2, tanking, etc... he ended poping me in 20% shield with more cap boosters than me third and last time tryed a megathron, with a setup with damage mod and tanking, i won by 20% structure something like that i'm 28m SP i used the most rated setups in battleclinic. Tell me another way to pwn a Maelstorm? those are a beast imo. On sisi all maelstrom will have full grade crystal set and a strong blue pill booster. That makes it completely different from TQ ships. And yes makes it simply impervious to brute force attacks. No battleship can break a SISI maelstrom tank. But that says nothing for its balance in TQ.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.10.27 09:36:00 - [26] Originally by: sfsdf i used the most rated setups in battleclinic. Did you read the manuals though?
Strill	Posted - 2008.10.27 09:39:00 - [27] Originally by: sfsdf second one, i tryed the domi again, this time with one of those setups 7x heavy neuts t2, tanking, etc... he ended poping me in 20% shield with more cap boosters than me WTB domi with 7x heavy neuts.
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.10.27 11:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Strill Originally by: sfsdf second one, i tryed the domi again, this time with one of those setups 7x heavy neuts t2, tanking, etc... he ended poping me in 20% shield with more cap boosters than me WTB domi with 7x heavy neuts. You dumb man? 6 standard plus the reserve on int he cargo hold.
Shinta Kobi Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.27 12:46:00 - [29] Originally by: Gneeznow clearly this shows how overpowered the maelstrom is, CCP should probably nerf it because its a) overpowered b) minmatar paging astro to this thread Say 'no' to crack.
d'hofren Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2008.10.27 12:51:00 - [30] Originally by: The Djego Well ofc the Mealstorm could use a serious nerf to be more in line with the pest. On the other hand seriously it is a great gang ship, and it wins against Gallente ships by his Boni and his superior Tank, not because any game imbalance. Solo check out the Mealstorm tank, if it don¦t breaks get out, in a gang, don¦t primary it while having other BS around. I hope that is sarcasm because the pest is rather naff these days, yes it copes as a BS , but almost everything it can do is better done by another minmatar BS. Originally by: The Djego Phoon over Meal in Gangs well depends, RR Phoon is very cool for a Gang but when it comes to Tanking/DPS Mealstorm hands down. Phoon doesn't have to be RR. It will pop out over 1k dps with a good TII offensive fit and still manage to run two plates, trimarks, point, web and maybe an AB... Personally I will take an AC mael if I know I will be fighting on gates at low mid to short ranges, but only if I also know I have sufficient tackle in gang to mean I don't need to bother fitting it myself. Phoon wins every time if some kind of mobility and adaptability is required.

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