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FraNtik
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Posted - 2004.06.30 11:00:00 -
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What's next? Force ships to undock?
Safespots are ok as they are now.
You can find them with time and patience. There are no *safe*spots, just worth or worthless to invest the time needed.
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FA's Bloodhound
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.06.30 11:11:00 -
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What's next? Force ships to undock?
Yes, great idea, signed.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2004.06.30 11:20:00 -
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Forcing ships to undock? Great idea! Signed.
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G8torSkull
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Posted - 2004.06.30 11:21:00 -
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WTF is a Safespot? elaborate plz
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.06.30 11:21:00 -
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Yeaaaah man! SIGNED!
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.06.30 11:22:00 -
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/signed
forcing people to undock is sheer Brilliance! Thanks FraNtik!
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Alpha
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Posted - 2004.06.30 11:58:00 -
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No safepots SHOULD be able to be discovered, Im sick of carebares in 0.0 who mess about with people bigger than them, then go run in a safespot and only come out when its safe, defeats the object of 0.0.. Id also be up for making ships in 0.0 STAY in space once a user has logged,, more like real life then,, if you dont like it, thats what the middle of the goddam map is for.
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Krusty TheClone
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Posted - 2004.06.30 12:26:00 -
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Do the dude who asked what one was, its a midspace/deadspace bookmark ie not a planet or moon.
Press F11 to bring up mini-map, right click on the system map (think its at bottom) and select keep location. Then warp to this bookmark. It will take someone AGES to find you.
Safespots are the places people hide at and talk smack or wait at until they are absolutely positively sure they have the numbers to PVP....by which time the enemy has probably gone home to beat off.
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.06.30 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: G8torSkull
WTF is a Safespot? elaborate plz
a spot of safety
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.06.30 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: SwitchBl4d3 on 30/06/2004 12:47:58
double
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Ranaden
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Posted - 2004.06.30 13:19:00 -
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Quote:
No safepots SHOULD be able to be discovered, Im sick of carebares in 0.0 who mess about with people bigger than them, then go run in a safespot and only come out when its safe, defeats the object of 0.0
Ever heard of guerrilla tactics? I'm not trying to get between the pirates and the non pvp on this argument, just saying that when a small force makes a lighting strike on a larger force, they dont retreat to the middle of some street. They go into hiding. If you look hard enough, you "can" find them. There should be no "everyone come out cause I cant see you" button.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.06.30 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: FraNtik
Safespots are ok as they are now.
Yeah, it is perfectly fine for a lone pilot to sit safely behind enemy lines, smacktalking while overwhelming forces are unable to flush him out. 
Safespots waste my time.
Forcing people to undock ain't a bad idea, either.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.06.30 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ranaden
If you look hard enough, you "can" find them.
Sure. But unless they're complete morons, you can't catch them.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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chillz
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Posted - 2004.06.30 13:43:00 -
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Carespots
Bearspots.
Most safespots are made between warpable objects so are easy enough to find with the scanner.
If it's not a trans warp spot then it deserves not to be an easy find.
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A gun and a packet of sandwiches.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.06.30 13:49:00 -
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forcing people to eject their BP's and cancel rent on labslots would be pretty handy...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.06.30 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: pHASE 11 on 30/06/2004 14:30:48
Safe spots should exist as a place to regroup & restock.
Safe spots should not exist as a place for out-waiting and out-boring your enemy.
Solution: Make them faster to find. It should take longer time than 5 mins to find them but it should be a lot faster than today.
Lol and yes, somehow being able to force ppl to undock in stations in 0.0 could add a some fun. Not immediately but after a certain time so all involved knows the clock is ticking.
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.06.30 14:47:00 -
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Lol and yes, somehow being able to force ppl to undock in stations in 0.0 could add a some fun.
That would be kind of dumb. Would be better if you could instead blow up the station they are hiding in (which would destroy their ship). Forcing people to undock at will leaves too much open for 'griefers' and folks who are otherwise bored and just want to **** people off.
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Procion
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Posted - 2004.06.30 14:58:00 -
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if safespots are removed they need to add gas cloud's , electric storms and oher crap for ships to hide in like on startrek
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.06.30 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Moah on 30/06/2004 15:37:38
Dont worry, CSM from 2004-06-29:
Quote:
Ravenal > Safe spots
What tactic will be used to counter safe spots?
1. covert ops
2. black ops
3. long range scanners
4. something else
And could you please give us a rundown on CCP's opinion about safe spots and their role in the game.
Oveur > Aha .. safespots =)
Ravenal > in a recent interview there was a mention of a better triangulation system for shiva - the method of using the scanner and manually flying to a safe spot is NOT a viable tactic
Oveur > Well, currently, to find safepost you just need some mad skillz with the scanner
Redwolf > and an infinate amount of time ;)
Oveur > Yes, and time
Oveur > Covert Ops frig's can be used to find safespots as well as any frigate, it does not include any specific stuff to find them
Oveur > however, the gained advantage to be cloaked when you find the safespot and then allow your gang mates to warp in is good
Ravenal > thats why im asking which method of locating will be introduced
Oveur > since the safespotters don't know they have been compromised
Oveur > but there is nothing specific coming with Shiva to more easily find them
Ravenal > i have tried to find a few safespots... the only thing you have to do is fly between safespots every ...lots of minutes. and you can never be located
Oveur > the Shiva feature pages are listing everything that will be in Shiva
Oveur > but there has been discussed a number of things, including better scanners and specialized ships
Ravenal > but not HOW it will work
Ravenal > which will be able to scan out safe spots and warp directly to them?
Ravenal > its a countermeasure for a feature that currently has no countermeasure
Oveur > no, I'd prefer a more complex system, such as based on skills, modules, ship bonus, range you would have a likelyhood of finding it
Oveur > safespots have countermeasures
Ravenal > i agree with you there - about the skills. However it all boils down to this... IF you manage to scan out the safespot.. will you be able to bookmark it and warp to it directly
Oveur > the problem is not all have, if you are very good, you can make a safe safespot
Ravenal > not viable countermeasures
Oveur > depends on if you have the mad skillz or not ;)
Oveur > but no, i wouldn't want to enable you to fly directly to it
Oveur > more an offset based on the results, that are based on skills, ship, module etc.
Ravenal > you dont have to be "very" good to make an impossible to find safespot.. because that doesnt depend on character skills
Ravenal > only game skills
Ravenal > so why should the countermeasure be based on character skills?
Ravenal > so why should the countermeasure be based on character skills?
Oveur > whats wrong with game skills?
Ravenal > nothing at all
Oveur > exactly :)
Oveur > there are ways that make it too easy to make a good safespot, that would be erased
Oveur > balancing it out a bit. but this does not have an ETA and is not part of Shiva
Ravenal > i would like to leave this question on that statement from you.. and ask you or anyone else to make a thread about your ideas on how to make safespots and their countermeasures a part of the game
Oveur > i'm gonna blog about it actually
Ravenal > thank you.. that will be all :)
Oveur > .
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Kami K'azi
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Posted - 2004.06.30 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha
No safepots SHOULD be able to be discovered, Im sick of carebares in 0.0 who mess about with people bigger than them, then go run in a safespot and only come out when its safe, defeats the object of 0.0.. Id also be up for making ships in 0.0 STAY in space once a user has logged,, more like real life then,, if you dont like it, thats what the middle of the goddam map is for.
What defeats the object of 0.0 space and why people hide is all the lame alliance's that close space and 1 way in routes to 0.0, and why a lot of decent corps get annoyed at the fact they cant really do much without joining an alliance or brown nosing someone.
And CCP moving all the decent ore 30-40 jumps into 0.0 space.
Nice nerf to small corps and very limiting, we use to mine bistot 10 jumps out, but its just not worth the hassle these days. So we just strip mine in empire space.
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Bella Verde
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Posted - 2004.07.01 01:15:00 -
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I hate safespots. The person who suggested adding more things to warp to that would somewhat conceal your location, such as gas clouds, has it right on. That would be very useful. A fleet wanting to regroup should not be invulnerable to attack.
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Bella Verde
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Posted - 2004.07.01 01:15:00 -
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I hate safespots. The person who suggested adding more things to warp to that would somewhat conceal your location, such as gas clouds, has it right on. That would be very useful. A fleet wanting to regroup should not be invulnerable to attack.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.07.01 01:18:00 -
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You can find them with time and patience.
Wrong. The only safe spots you can find with time and patience are the stupidly made ones, where people just make a safe between two easily identifiable places. If someone wants to make a safe safespot you will never be able to find it, and if you've got a fleet that you need to hide at one you'll make it a good one.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.07.01 01:18:00 -
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Quote:
You can find them with time and patience.
Wrong. The only safe spots you can find with time and patience are the stupidly made ones, where people just make a safe between two easily identifiable places. If someone wants to make a safe safespot you will never be able to find it, and if you've got a fleet that you need to hide at one you'll make it a good one.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.01 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: FraNtik
What's next? Force ships to undock?
Safespots are ok as they are now.
You can find them with time and patience. There are no *safe*spots, just worth or worthless to invest the time needed.
www.youareanub.com
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.01 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: FraNtik
What's next? Force ships to undock?
Safespots are ok as they are now.
You can find them with time and patience. There are no *safe*spots, just worth or worthless to invest the time needed.
www.youareanub.com
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.07.01 06:35:00 -
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Safespots are lame.
If you need to regroup there are things called planets and moons...or even throw a slider and warp to the sun...
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.07.01 06:35:00 -
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Safespots are lame.
If you need to regroup there are things called planets and moons...or even throw a slider and warp to the sun...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.01 06:37:00 -
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Safespots should be discoverable but it shouldn't be simply s process of scanner-right-click-warp to.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.01 06:37:00 -
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Safespots should be discoverable but it shouldn't be simply s process of scanner-right-click-warp to.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Moah
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Posted - 2004.07.01 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
Quote:
You can find them with time and patience.
Wrong. The only safe spots you can find with time and patience are the stupidly made ones, where people just make a safe between two easily identifiable places. If someone wants to make a safe safespot you will never be able to find it, and if you've got a fleet that you need to hide at one you'll make it a good one.
Wrong, you can find ANY Safespot.
Fancy. |
Moah
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Posted - 2004.07.01 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
Quote:
You can find them with time and patience.
Wrong. The only safe spots you can find with time and patience are the stupidly made ones, where people just make a safe between two easily identifiable places. If someone wants to make a safe safespot you will never be able to find it, and if you've got a fleet that you need to hide at one you'll make it a good one.
Wrong, you can find ANY Safespot.
Fancy. |
FraNtik
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Posted - 2004.07.01 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: FraNtik on 01/07/2004 08:56:20
As Moah says, any safespot can be found.
If a pilot can make the safespot, a pilot can find it.
I know 'cause I do it. Zoners, Omega Corp ,ATUK and some others can confirm it 
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FA's Bloodhound
"You can warp, but you can't hide" |
FraNtik
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Posted - 2004.07.01 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: FraNtik on 01/07/2004 08:56:20
As Moah says, any safespot can be found.
If a pilot can make the safespot, a pilot can find it.
I know 'cause I do it. Zoners, Omega Corp ,ATUK and some others can confirm it
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FA's Bloodhound
"You can warp, but you can't hide" |
Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: FraNtik
Edited by: FraNtik on 01/07/2004 08:56:20
As Moah says, any safespot can be found.
If a pilot can make the safespot, a pilot can find it.
I know 'cause I do it. Zoners, Omega Corp ,ATUK and some others can confirm it
How the hell do you find a Safespot over 100AU from any celestial object?
The scanner has a range of 20AU max so anything more than that beyond a planet,moon,asteroid field ect. can't be found. By all means enlighten me to how you can find a Safespot 100+ AU out?
I also agree SS should be easier to find, not within a couple of minutes but a skilled pilot able to use the scanner should not have to spend hour or be unable to find them.
If you want safe spots dock, otherwise there should be a risk to any ship sitting in space.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: FraNtik
Edited by: FraNtik on 01/07/2004 08:56:20
As Moah says, any safespot can be found.
If a pilot can make the safespot, a pilot can find it.
I know 'cause I do it. Zoners, Omega Corp ,ATUK and some others can confirm it
How the hell do you find a Safespot over 100AU from any celestial object?
The scanner has a range of 20AU max so anything more than that beyond a planet,moon,asteroid field ect. can't be found. By all means enlighten me to how you can find a Safespot 100+ AU out?
I also agree SS should be easier to find, not within a couple of minutes but a skilled pilot able to use the scanner should not have to spend hour or be unable to find them.
If you want safe spots dock, otherwise there should be a risk to any ship sitting in space.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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FraNtik
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:52:00 -
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lol mate, I ain't gonna tell you how to do it 
I'd located safespots at >150AU from anything. Those need some more time to find.
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FA's Bloodhound
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FraNtik
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:52:00 -
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lol mate, I ain't gonna tell you how to do it
I'd located safespots at >150AU from anything. Those need some more time to find.
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FA's Bloodhound
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: FraNtik
lol mate, I ain't gonna tell you how to do it
I'd located safespots at >150AU from anything. Those need some more time to find.
Ok I have ideas on how to do it but tell me how long it would take for you to find a ss 150au out from anything?
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: FraNtik
lol mate, I ain't gonna tell you how to do it
I'd located safespots at >150AU from anything. Those need some more time to find.
Ok I have ideas on how to do it but tell me how long it would take for you to find a ss 150au out from anything?
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Moah on 01/07/2004 10:02:27
1. safespots that are 150au away from everything are allways mad with the uber save. So just warp to uber save, scann little bit, warp from uber save to some objects, scann little bit, and you will find any savespot... (no, i'll not explain how to make the uber save, ask somebody else)
2. im not the "safespot finder" in our corp, but i think he'll find and get to every spot in ~2 - 3 days. (if its a good one) So dont let your ships in space...
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Moah on 01/07/2004 10:02:27
1. safespots that are 150au away from everything are allways mad with the uber save. So just warp to uber save, scann little bit, warp from uber save to some objects, scann little bit, and you will find any savespot... (no, i'll not explain how to make the uber save, ask somebody else)
2. im not the "safespot finder" in our corp, but i think he'll find and get to every spot in ~2 - 3 days. (if its a good one) So dont let your ships in space...
Fancy. |
Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.07.01 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Moah
1. safespots that are 150au away from everything are allways mad with the uber save. So just warp to uber save, scann little bit, warp from uber save to some objects, scann little bit, and you will find any savespot... (no, i'll not explain how to make the uber save, ask somebody else)
Now this works ok if you intend on warping all the way to the F11 ss, I like most I would think just warp to max cap and leave it there.
So unless you warp to within 20AU of the ss it will take forever to find. Same goes for the double F11 ss which is sometimes up to 200+.
Originally by: Moah
2. im not the "safespot finder" in our corp, but i think he'll find and get to every spot in ~2 - 3 days. (if its a good one) So dont let your ships in space...
2-3 days to find a safe spot, now in that time the guy could have come and picked his ship up made himself a new safespot and you would have to start all over, how long would you spend looking? The increased finding time player want is within an hour or 2.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.07.01 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Moah
1. safespots that are 150au away from everything are allways mad with the uber save. So just warp to uber save, scann little bit, warp from uber save to some objects, scann little bit, and you will find any savespot... (no, i'll not explain how to make the uber save, ask somebody else)
Now this works ok if you intend on warping all the way to the F11 ss, I like most I would think just warp to max cap and leave it there.
So unless you warp to within 20AU of the ss it will take forever to find. Same goes for the double F11 ss which is sometimes up to 200+.
Originally by: Moah
2. im not the "safespot finder" in our corp, but i think he'll find and get to every spot in ~2 - 3 days. (if its a good one) So dont let your ships in space...
2-3 days to find a safe spot, now in that time the guy could have come and picked his ship up made himself a new safespot and you would have to start all over, how long would you spend looking? The increased finding time player want is within an hour or 2.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.07.01 10:59:00 -
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Our safespot finder isnt in our corp or in any alliance. when someone is in system, he logs of or leave system until its clear. we arent interested in 1 industrial, but if there are some bs, its worth it to search 2 or 3 days.
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.07.01 10:59:00 -
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Our safespot finder isnt in our corp or in any alliance. when someone is in system, he logs of or leave system until its clear. we arent interested in 1 industrial, but if there are some bs, its worth it to search 2 or 3 days.
Fancy. |
Six KH
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Posted - 2004.07.01 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Six KH on 01/07/2004 12:19:45
I want a compass, a better system map that shows your bookmarks ,and a directional scanner that doesn't work randomly, to find them faster.
there aren't any "safe" spots, even those made between 2 random bookmarks (but not "outside system" spots that are an exploit for me) 
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Six KH
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Posted - 2004.07.01 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Six KH on 01/07/2004 12:19:45
I want a compass, a better system map that shows your bookmarks ,and a directional scanner that doesn't work randomly, to find them faster.
there aren't any "safe" spots, even those made between 2 random bookmarks (but not "outside system" spots that are an exploit for me)
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.07.01 12:52:00 -
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Safe spots *can* be found.
But only afk morons will ever be caught at their safe spot.
Anyone with half a brain will notice when you start to get close to their safespot, and warp to...a new safe spot!
Rinse and repeat.
A waste of time.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
"No, it's none of your business." |
Beringe
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Posted - 2004.07.01 12:52:00 -
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Safe spots *can* be found.
But only afk morons will ever be caught at their safe spot.
Anyone with half a brain will notice when you start to get close to their safespot, and warp to...a new safe spot!
Rinse and repeat.
A waste of time.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
"No, it's none of your business." |
digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2004.07.01 13:23:00 -
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Well,if i want to be really safe and thereŠs no station nearby,iŠll make a 600+ AU safe spot jump in one warp(apoc with lots of cap definately helps here..)
Beauty if this is that it warps in a totally different direction each time i do it,even when perfoming it in the same system repeatedly...
I have yet to be found in a safe spot,by anyone...
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2004.07.01 13:23:00 -
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Well,if i want to be really safe and thereŠs no station nearby,iŠll make a 600+ AU safe spot jump in one warp(apoc with lots of cap definately helps here..)
Beauty if this is that it warps in a totally different direction each time i do it,even when perfoming it in the same system repeatedly...
I have yet to be found in a safe spot,by anyone...
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illuminati
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Posted - 2004.07.01 14:27:00 -
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Ooooh, I'm so elite, I can find a safespot in less time than a week.
It takes me 5 seconds to create a new one.
Now who the hell sits at one safespot longer than 20 minutes if hunted anyway? 
I dont get it, I could hide in any system from any number of "hunters" for any amount of time and yet there are people here who like this balance.
Guess what they are, yeah thats right, the true carebears ladies and gentlemen, please don't shoot me, I prefer "8 vs 1 indy" combat but when "15 vs 8" come along, boohoo, I'm a wolf, please don't find me ...
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illuminati
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Posted - 2004.07.01 14:27:00 -
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Ooooh, I'm so elite, I can find a safespot in less time than a week.
It takes me 5 seconds to create a new one.
Now who the hell sits at one safespot longer than 20 minutes if hunted anyway?
I dont get it, I could hide in any system from any number of "hunters" for any amount of time and yet there are people here who like this balance.
Guess what they are, yeah thats right, the true carebears ladies and gentlemen, please don't shoot me, I prefer "8 vs 1 indy" combat but when "15 vs 8" come along, boohoo, I'm a wolf, please don't find me ...
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Gerome Doutrande
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Posted - 2004.07.01 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: pHASE 11
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 30/06/2004 14:30:48
Safe spots should exist as a place to regroup & restock.
Safe spots should not exist as a place for out-waiting and out-boring your enemy.
Solution: Make them faster to find. It should take longer time than 5 mins to find them but it should be a lot faster than today.
exactly. make it so.
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Gerome Doutrande
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Posted - 2004.07.01 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: pHASE 11
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 30/06/2004 14:30:48
Safe spots should exist as a place to regroup & restock.
Safe spots should not exist as a place for out-waiting and out-boring your enemy.
Solution: Make them faster to find. It should take longer time than 5 mins to find them but it should be a lot faster than today.
exactly. make it so.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.07.01 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: FraNtik
What's next? Force ships to undock?
Safespots are ok as they are now.
You can find them with time and patience. There are no *safe*spots, just worth or worthless to invest the time needed.
Yes, forcing ships to undock would be brilliant.
And your bullcrap about that safe spots can be discovered is well just bullcrap.
I want to get the people at the safespots, not the safespots. This is allmost impossible due to the fact that there are safespots 400 au away from any celestial objects and that you will not find someone who is warping all the time between his 4 safespots in a solar system. And you can hit the scanner all the time while being at a safespot and check if someone is coming closer to you or not and react.
Safespots are ok as they are now is a myth and bullcrap. They are easy to make and allmost impossible to find unless you are afk for hours at them.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.07.01 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: FraNtik
What's next? Force ships to undock?
Safespots are ok as they are now.
You can find them with time and patience. There are no *safe*spots, just worth or worthless to invest the time needed.
Yes, forcing ships to undock would be brilliant.
And your bullcrap about that safe spots can be discovered is well just bullcrap.
I want to get the people at the safespots, not the safespots. This is allmost impossible due to the fact that there are safespots 400 au away from any celestial objects and that you will not find someone who is warping all the time between his 4 safespots in a solar system. And you can hit the scanner all the time while being at a safespot and check if someone is coming closer to you or not and react.
Safespots are ok as they are now is a myth and bullcrap. They are easy to make and allmost impossible to find unless you are afk for hours at them.
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Aleister Crowley
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Posted - 2004.07.01 16:19:00 -
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The current bookmarking system is fine.
To all who let bookmarks defeat their goals:
"Intolerance is a sign of impotence"
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Aleister Crowley
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Posted - 2004.07.01 16:19:00 -
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The current bookmarking system is fine.
To all who let bookmarks defeat their goals:
"Intolerance is a sign of impotence"
'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law' |
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