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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.10.26 02:47:00 -
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Eve Chribba agrees that the orca needs some form of ore compression.
 Originally by: Chribba
But yeah I see your point, and ofc I'd back up any change involving the Orca to get at least one assembly line for compression obviously.
/signed yes? 
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.10.26 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Why does the Orca need ore compression? The Roqu needs it because low and null sec, you have entire areas where there are no statsions. In High sec, its not uncommon for a system to have 5-10 stations PER system in it. Ore compression is about transportation to a location where the minerals can be extracted from the ore, High sec is an enviroment where such a tool is redundent.
Mine much with moar than an ibis and level 1 osprey eh?  If you had taken the time to look up the plethora of threads about this subject you would understand why the orca without even basic ore compression for only high sec ores is redundant to just using a bc with the cycle time link and miner II. Mining link on the bc gives nearly the same bonus and once you throw in the miner II its pretty much a draw with the bc taking scads less isk and training time to use. Yes that 90k+ m3 cargobay and the 30k m3 corp hanger sounds like an arseload of room for ore but the reality is that on a normal mining op the orca is going to have its cargobay filled in minutes. So the average 5 man mining op of 4 hulks and a rigged hauler is going to have to find a sixth man to make an orca a worthwhile addition. Well thats not very efficient and usable for a small corp yes? How about we introduce a new pvp ship that requires a small gang to add an additional member to make it viable? What!? Teh forums just melted under all the emoragequit threads about who the **** ccp thinks it is telling pvpers how to organize thier gang? Plz..
Originally by: Constance Harme
Originally by: Zeba
Eve Chribba agrees that the orca needs some form of ore compression.
Originally by: Chribba
But yeah I see your point, and ofc I'd back up any change involving the Orca to get at least one assembly line for compression obviously.
/signed yes?
Whist simply quoting a popular player and typing /signed is a compelling argument, its not enough for me to agree. No Orca compression for me thanks.
I'd pay attention to your poast but you just did the same thing you accused me of thanks. Now come back with a compelling argument about why the orca should not have ore compression and I might give you the benefit of the doubt.  |
Zeba
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Posted - 2008.10.26 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
that said, I think mineral compression would just really destroy one of the two not-useless abilities the Rorqual's got left(other being jumpdrive)
Noooo! No mineral compression! Only some basic high sec ore compression to not have to sacrifice a few hulks for haulers to make the orca an efficient addition to a small mining op.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.10.26 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
First, nice wall of text.
Why thank you! If you would have added just a few moar words to your second paragraph you could have had one too.
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Second, I've said it before and I will say it again, High sec has more refinement points for Ore than Low or Null sec put together. Your average system as at least 5 stations in it, all with refinement service so any need have ore compression is only for those looking to get the ore all moved to the station in a single run (which, again is pointless considering that the refinement point is in the same system).
Umm, this isn't about refining at all. It's about having a mining command ship that has to turn off its gang links every time it has to warp to a station or to a completely different system just to dump the ore. Get anbother hauler you say? Well considering you will need nearly 5 hulks to make it a worthwhile addition to the small mining op with the command bonus instead of just adding another hulk you will need to add at least 2 additional haulers to keep up with the vast amounts of ore your hulks are going to spit out. Bam your small mining op just when from 5 members to at least 7 just to efficiantly add an orca. How many small corps do you know that can just pull 2 additional trusted members out thier arse? Adding basic ore only compression with no mineral compression and only for high sec ores lets the orca be a viable choice for a small mining corp. As it its just a toy for the larger corps.
Originally by: Jacob Mei
As a Hulk pilot, I once clocked how long it took me to fill a GSC (which was my standard measuring block). At my peak, I was able to fill the GSC and then some without the aid of gang mods in a single cycle. Assuming that you have a gang of four hulks and an orca without gang mods at the speed I was going (with both skills in game and knowing how to use the lasers, IE when to cut the beam off so you donÆt waste time on 3 units of ore) it would take that gang a half hour to fill an Orca and while IÆve never used gang mods I would guess 20-25 minutes with them. So no, your gang doesnÆt fill the Orca in mere minutes without ore compression. (Note, at level 5, an Orca can fit 40 GSC's in both its normal bay and corp bay.)
Nobody is going to use an orca for a measley 3 hulks as you will get moar yield just adding another hulk and switching out to the rigged hauler to drop the ore in a station. Now when you add 4 max skill or 5 normal skill hulks and the gang link bonus you will literally fill up your orca in minutes and then have to drop the bonus to warp to your station.
Originally by: Jacob Mei
What the Orca is to miners is your Industrial ship, made huge, and allowed to use gang mods there by eliminating the need for a FC to just sit there shooting at belt rats during the mining opt.
No what you get is a mining command ship thats supposed to sit in a belt and give out bonuses whilst a hauler on a larger op scoops out the ore to take to a station. The orca however is supposed to be primarily designed for small corp high sec mining ops. Having to find another hauler to keep up with the increased yield or using the orca as the hauler and lose the bonus every time you warp is counter productive to the devs stated role for this ship.
I look forward to our next disussion.
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