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Chunchang WaoDungpao
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Posted - 2008.10.26 12:51:00 -
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WHAT DO YOU KNOW THAT WE DONT.
BOB probably has developer friends and manipulating the market prior to the rest of us knowing why. WHY DOES CCP TOLERATE THIS CHEATING.
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Chunchang WaoDungpao
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Posted - 2008.10.26 12:55:00 -
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I READ NOW ZULUPARK SAYS NEW MIN CHANGES ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK, IS THIS WHERE WE'LL LEARN WHAT SOME PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW?
THIS INJUSTICE HAS ME FURIOUS WITH ANGER!
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Ayami Sakura
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.26 13:03:00 -
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Actually, I think you'll find CAPS LOCK day has come and gone already.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.10.26 13:24:00 -
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That's quite some market manipulation |
Auction Annie
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Posted - 2008.10.26 13:39:00 -
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Send me 100mil isk and convo me ill tell you all about it.
But i want some profit out of it...
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.26 13:53:00 -
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lol
If this was a joke post, I laughed.
If this wasn't a joke post, I laughed harder. |
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2008.10.26 14:43:00 -
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awwww yeah man disco biscuits boom boom <o/ boom boom\o> o// \\o |
Sophie Daigneau
Risky Advanced Production Enterprises
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:04:00 -
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Anyone who didn't see this coming is a moron. |
Chunchang WaoDungpao
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:28:00 -
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Sorry about the capslock, i got carried away.
For those of you out there that knew this was going to happy Im sorry to say but i dont have any GM Friends in iceland to tell me all thats going to happen you dont expect us all to have GM friends do you I dont see the realase of any information about this and the gms never said anything so how do we know whats going to happen its NOT FARE THAT PEOPLE GET TO MAKE BILLIONS OF ISK SPECULATING IN THE MARKET BECAUSE OF INSIDER KNOWLEDGE THIS IS ILLEGAL IN ALL CIVILIZED COUNTRIES YOU KNOW SO YOU SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO DO ITBECAUSE I CANT DO IT WHO WAS THE ONE TO TELL YOU I DEMAND THIS BE INVESTIGATED AT CCP AT ONCE WE MUST HAVE CCP LET EVERYONE HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION THESE FEW INSIDERS HAVE THE RICH KEEP GETTING RICHER AND THE POOR POORER AND IT MAKES ME WANT TO QUIT THE GAME BECAUSE I HAVE TO WORK SO HARD FOR THE VERY LITTLE ISK THAT I CAN GET BUT THESE PEOPLE JUST GET IT FOR FREE I HOPE THE OTHER PLAYERS READ THIS AND GET AS ANGRY ABOUT IT AS I HAVE. |
Auction Annie
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:33:00 -
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For a small price you to can enter the super secret traders club.
Just send 100Million isk to me and find out all.
Remember market trading is about gambling and a 100mil is a small gamble for such a potential huge gain.
Take the chance  |
Trading Bunnz
Equatorial Industires
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:51:00 -
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Anyone who didn't see this coming is a moron.
This. The market was primed to move immediately after Zulupark posted, it was obvious and very very intentional. And it didn't take "insider knowledge", simply watching what is PUBLICLY posted. Now if you are too bloody lazy to keep in touch with what devs have to say, then why the hell should I not make ISK? The market movements occured after (well after in fact) the news was posted, so everyone had the exact same opportunity.
You, however, missed the boat. So cry moar please. If you want some neo/thul tho, I could do some at an exorbitant markup for you. 
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.26 16:00:00 -
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I believe Chunchang WaoDungpao is just pulling our legs now. Taikun doesn't even go off that much. |
Auction Annie
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Posted - 2008.10.26 16:01:00 -
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Hell at least i got 200 Mil out of it...
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2008.10.26 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Amy Wang on 26/10/2008 16:24:04
Meh, if it really was insider information which I doubt, then its bad, but cant prove that anyway.
But most likely a combination of simple logic and maybe a hint or two dropped by a Dev here and there on totally public forums allowed the same conclusion, a conclusion everybody could have drawn, you as well if you put the effort into thinking it over and reading dev posts on forums.
I personally made 15000% of profit on an item once (not this time though, I also missed the Thul/Neo thing tbh) just because I read the right post by the right dev at the right time and added 1 and 1 together, risked a couple of Billion and won 
In Eve the fast, smart and well informed often are rewarded, just like in rl, deal with it.
PS: Yes, I am angry as well, but only a little and only on myself because now that I think of it I could totally had my share of the pie if I had just bothered more  |
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.26 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 26/10/2008 16:33:34
Originally by: Trading Bunnz
This. The market was primed to move immediately after Zulupark posted, it was obvious and very very intentional. And it didn't take "insider knowledge", simply watching what is PUBLICLY posted. Now if you are too bloody lazy to keep in touch with what devs have to say, then why the hell should I not make ISK? The market movements occured after (well after in fact) the news was posted, so everyone had the exact same opportunity.
You, however, missed the boat. So cry moar please. If you want some neo/thul tho, I could do some at an exorbitant markup for you.
I'm somewhat confused, though, as I took Zulupark's statements to suggest that they were looking for new ways to add more minerals to the market, something that would increase supply and lower prices. Why buy now?
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.26 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 26/10/2008 16:33:34
Originally by: Trading Bunnz
This. The market was primed to move immediately after Zulupark posted, it was obvious and very very intentional. And it didn't take "insider knowledge", simply watching what is PUBLICLY posted. Now if you are too bloody lazy to keep in touch with what devs have to say, then why the hell should I not make ISK? The market movements occured after (well after in fact) the news was posted, so everyone had the exact same opportunity.
You, however, missed the boat. So cry moar please. If you want some neo/thul tho, I could do some at an exorbitant markup for you.
I'm somewhat confused, though, as I took Zulupark's statements to suggest that they were looking for new ways to add more minerals to the market, something that would increase supply and lower prices. Why buy now?
I think he knows that, but is talking up their possible increase in value to further the manipulation.
Of course, it could be to do with the fact that they react with Promethium / Dysprosium, in a fairly fixed ratio, and if the supply of those were to be uncapped, the need for the other two would increase. Neodymium / Thulium of course may not be required either for the 'solution'... |
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.26 17:02:00 -
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Well, I understand trying to post to further the manipulation, but I can't understand the manipulation to begin with. All the signs (to me) seem to point that overall there'd be a drop in value, which means buying now or holding now (especially after the price spike) is a bad idea
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Niedar
MASS
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Posted - 2008.10.26 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Well, I understand trying to post to further the manipulation, but I can't understand the manipulation to begin with. All the signs (to me) seem to point that overall there'd be a drop in value, which means buying now or holding now (especially after the price spike) is a bad idea
If what they are doing is seeding more moons with dyspros and promethium which I doubt but tthat may be what they are doing.
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Trading Bunnz
Equatorial Industires
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.10.26 17:06:00 -
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I had a long post typed out here that got eaten by the forums.
Maybe thats what I'm doing Fritz, maybe not. I can say that I am not responsible for the massive manipulation undertaken empire wide on neo/thul. I had buy orders up to capitalise on this potential opportunity that bought a solid chunk of materials in but someone with much more faith than I said "to hell with it" and simply bought all the stuff across empire. :) |
Sophie Daigneau
Risky Advanced Production Enterprises
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.26 17:16:00 -
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I have no idea what they're doing exactly, but it'll almost certainly negatively affect the price of dyspro, and probably promethium too. Other moon minerals are likely to be positively affected by the change, including the reject R64 minerals.
What I'd love to see them do, is add small amounts of moon minerals to 0.0 only low-end ores. This would encourage low-end mining in 0.0, and provide a release valve for over-inflated moon minerals at the same time.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.26 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Niedar
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Well, I understand trying to post to further the manipulation, but I can't understand the manipulation to begin with. All the signs (to me) seem to point that overall there'd be a drop in value, which means buying now or holding now (especially after the price spike) is a bad idea
If what they are doing is seeding more moons with dyspros and promethium which I doubt but tthat may be what they are doing.
They were talking about extra reactions that possibly used gases to generate the same end products (like Ferrogel) but requires alot more POS's than if you were simply mining Dysprosium. So in the end it would only be viable once Dyspro was above a certain price. Think of it as invention for moon materials ;) |
Trading Bunnz
Equatorial Industires
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.10.27 04:49:00 -
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There has been much "talk" around the forums from players about ways to fix the issues with dyspro/prom supplyside equations. There has been acknowledgement from devs that there is an underlying issue with the supply side equations. There has been acknowledgement that the "balance" is wrong between the r64's. Then we get word of pending changes, and details of those changes to come within a few days, regardless of what those changes are, there are 2 things that are almost certain to occur.
1) dyspro/prom either gets a supply boost (more moons, 'alchemical reactions' etc) or a demand nerf (rebalance of their use in mat construction, rebalance of components required for t2 production etc)
2) due to above, the other r64's, who are linked to dyspro/prom, now are usable in larger quantities
Now, 1) could also affect 2) and balance out, but those betting on the changes dont think thats going to happen. Its equally possible that the demand side of the orphan r64's will see a huge boost.
Me, and the person who bought all the materials across empire, could be wrong. Thats why the market is fun, we dont *know* in advance, we make educated guesses. I at least am taking the time to post here and explain the rationale behind my decision, now that someone else has decided to steal the entire market from under me and those others that were playing with buy orders.
Of course, that other person may not have considered any of this at all and simply saw a good opportunity (due to the activities of people like me, buying and holding these mats) to return a large profit off some straight market manipulation. There was almost immediate listing for these materials at up to 5x the pre purchase price, which is pretty standard fair for large scale manipulations.
And you know what? Even with this fivefold increase in the price of neo/thul, all reactions that make use of them are still profitable at the material->advanced material reaction chains. These materials are historically undervalued in relation to their rarity.
Personally, I'm inclined to believe their will be a demand nerf to dyspro/prom as well as a demand boost to the other r64's. I believe its possible we'll also see some form of alchemical reactions introduced to create r64 metals from lesser metals. Unfortunately, I dont really think we'll have these introduced in the short term, they'll probably launch along with QR. |
Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.27 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Trading Bunnz
Now, 1) could also affect 2) and balance out, but those betting on the changes dont think thats going to happen. Its equally possible that the demand side of the orphan r64's will see a huge boost.
Me, and the person who bought all the materials across empire, could be wrong.
I hope we're not. |
Tiirae
The New Era
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.27 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Chunchang WaoDungpao
WHAT DO YOU KNOW THAT WE DONT.
BOB probably has developer friends and manipulating the market prior to the rest of us knowing why. WHY DOES CCP TOLERATE THIS CHEATING.
You barely have two brain cells to rub together. If BoB, or anyone else, was privy to secret information about minerals that would lead them to want to buy up everything on the market, WHY OH WHY would they do it right after zulupark PUBLICALLY announced that changes are coming? it makes no sense at all. They would have been buying them up slowly over a period of weeks, instead.
Your logic is so mind-numbingly stupid that I think it's given me cancer.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.27 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Trading Bunnz
there are 2 things that are almost certain to occur.
1) dyspro/prom either gets a supply boost (more moons, 'alchemical reactions' etc) or a demand nerf (rebalance of their use in mat construction, rebalance of components required for t2 production etc)
2) due to above, the other r64's, who are linked to dyspro/prom, now are usable in larger
1) is not going to happen I don't think as is. It's not going to be something that 'makes' dysprosium / promethium probably, but something that either makes the intermediate or advanced materials WITHOUT using them. It is very unlikely that simply the balance will be changed, this is a quick fix and CCP has said they won't put in a short term solution like this (or they would have done so 6 months ago).
2) This is possible, but it depends on the details, most certainly there will be alternatives to using thulium / neodymium also, so they will as well have a capped value.
I think there won't be any demand nerfs to either of these, but an added 'alternative' material supply which replaces all R64's (and even R32's and R16's but such a cost that it is probably only worth using as an alternative to dyspro / promethium at the moment). However manipulating Neo / Thulium up beyond whatever the new alternative cost is, would also be risky.
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
CCP is a greedy money chewing monster
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.27 07:31:00 -
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The danger of being nearer the top of the forum ...
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Trading Bunnz
Equatorial Industires
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.10.27 10:04:00 -
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...manipulating Neo / Thulium up beyond whatever the new alternative cost is...
Thats kind of the entire point tho Fritz. I think you agree that the pending changes will have an effect on either the demand or supply side of the dyspro/prom situation. Such an effect will lead to an obvious increase in the demand side of neodymium and thulium. Whichever way they take to fix these issues, the almost certain result is an increase in demand for the other r64's, or their alternatives. For the alternatives to be attractive to Neo/Thul, based on current pricing, it would need to be nearly 15 times cheaper to make r64's, than to use currently available r64's. I'll settle for a 1500% upside. :)
Of course, those who bet on this market are taking a risk. Like the poster above, I hope I'm not wrong. But I'm perfectly happy to stand up here and say why I did what I did, now that really, its too late for anyone to act beside me (if that was you buying them all out Viper, i hate you, couldn't you have given me another 8h on buy orders?!?!).
Further, regardless of right or wrong, unlike most other "predictions", they come here to gloat and justify their decisions "after the fact". Well, thats not happening this time because someone closed the market and those involved lose NOTHING by talking about it.
Tuesday will tell I guess.
Of course, CCP could just introduce a whole new set of materials and reactions as replacements for existing advanced material production, and then we'll be sucking wind. :)
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.10.27 10:09:00 -
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Wow
I am not involved in this market, but Chunchang is so convincing to me, that I believe BoB is still evil, CCP is their sponsor and all the universe is going to hell!
Where is my towl?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.27 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/10/2008 12:55:17
I'm way, way too early each and every time.
Damned copycats
P.S. I wasn't even off by much. 7-8 months instead of 6, well... close enough 
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.10.27 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/10/2008 12:49:23
I'm way, way too early each and every time.
P.S. I wasn't even off by much. 7-8 months instead of 6, well... close enough
Better watch out, one of these days someone is going to stick you in a crystal ball and sell you to the highest bidder |
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