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Mori Felding
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.27 14:42:00 -
[31]
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Helison
GREY COUNCIL Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.10.27 14:46:00 -
[32]
Yeah, supported with whole heart |
Demetri Slavic
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.27 15:02:00 -
[33]
Wait...wtf i agree with Jade? something is very wrong here....
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.27 15:03:00 -
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Supported, without a shadow of a doubt.
Nice writeup Jade.
I can't believe I just said that...
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
RicingStar
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.27 15:25:00 -
[35]
Edited by: RicingStar on 27/10/2008 15:25:29
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Kaneye Havit
Gallente New Eden United Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.27 15:29:00 -
[36]
To quote "Smash TV"
"I LOVE IT!!" (always sounded like "Lyle Lovett!" to me)
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.27 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 27/10/2008 15:50:32
One of the ironies is that EVE: The Empyrean Age, the entire recent EVE storyline and many, many aspects of EVE as it is today simply would not be what they are and have been were it not for player events. The novel would be an entirely different book had a certain player event gone another way, and arguably other player events inform the very background of happenings in the EVE universe that make that book and the storyline it is integrated with what they are.
One of my differences with the many people that bemoan the current storyline is the idea that it is entirely driven by the whim of the writers with no reference whatever to player action in the EVE universe. At present, that is, in my view, manifestly false.
But there is certainly something to claims that in the future the storyline will have no rootedness in player action except for the dim and distant memories of events in the history of EVE that happened as they did because of player action.
The reason for this is that there are no longer any significant ways in which players can interact with the storyline. There is no way that players can even alter the manner in which an event plays out. Ultimately, major events will, it has to be accepted, likely turn out in the end as the storyline devs wish them too. One way or another. But the realisation that has seeped into the souls of many a roleplayer in EVE currently is that not even the details of how the story plays out can realistically be altered or informed by player action.
This is one of the reasons for the paradox of the vastly increased output in EVE news items, produced by the manifest hard work of writers who are both devs and volunteers, having, I would have to say, less impact and resonance than the occasional pieces of yesteryear. In part it is also a phenomenon of the increased output being pumped through a news system that is barely fit for purpose when reams of quality material are being put out daily. Blink and you miss it.
But it is largely also the strong sensation among many players, new and old, that the news is moving wallpaper. The real stories are their own. They will continue to make them. That, I think, was never in doubt. But it is to the sadness of many that their stories, largely, are no longer part of the greater story of the EVE background. Or perhaps better to say, no longer felt to be part of that greater story.
Factional warfare has been a grand success in many ways. It has invigorated roleplay and immersion, if you like, in a way that I actually would argue was not anticipated by many. It is however, not without its flaws, and it has also, thus far, not met the challenge of filling that gap between player interaction and the storyline. Perhaps it will. Perhaps with some events framework alongside it, it will be the answer, particularly when it is widened to involve many more factions than the 'Big Four'.
One way or another, though, what the best of EVE events stood for, and I see no big reason to linger over the nonsenses and mis-steps that did occasionally occur with events, has in some sense been lost. Maybe this was always inevitable given recent history in terms of the development of the game. Like Jade, and others, however, I think the time has come for CCP to shrug off the chaff of the past and bring back the real substance that well-managed events can add to a game like EVE.
I know they are capable of it and I also feel that deep-down they want to do it. Our duty, yes duty, as players is to impress on them that we want it too.
Support this call.
Cosmo
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Pliskkenn
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:15:00 -
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Completly support this. I remember being bright eyed and new when I was in Ushra'khan and we'd be called in to "liberate" some slaves from a convoy. I remember how hectic it was trying to find said convoy, get the slaves then chase down or block off anyone that was trying to interfere. *Player or otherwise* |
Riika Akotsu
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:32:00 -
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Aceoil
Eyes of the Night
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:40:00 -
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I agree. I still remember one simple little event that I stumbled upon.
I miss those events. |
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Misan Pal'taek
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.27 17:23:00 -
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Wolf Soldier
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.27 17:38:00 -
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Supporting this!
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:04:00 -
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/signed
Diary of a pod pilot |
Rye Contini
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:24:00 -
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/signed
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Hatra
Hoenir Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:26:00 -
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I thoroughly agree with you Jade.
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valhalla MCMLXXIV
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: valhalla MCMLXXIV on 27/10/2008 18:37:26 Totally agreed. We need more live events, more ways which we as players can influence the storylines - or perhaps a way for us to believe that the storylines are a refection of whats really happening in game? |
Robert Kauliford
Veto. Academy Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:47:00 -
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I'll just say hell yeah and read the fine print later.
Did one aurora event and found it fun so |
Atlanton Marcus
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:50:00 -
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I completely agree with bringing back live events.
I came to Eve late, so I've never experienced a live event. It seems as if CCP has been focusing on scripts to appease the mission runners, and then letting the sandbox mechanics take care of player interaction.
I want to see more events where the conclusion is unexpected by everyone involved. The unpredictability of Eve Online is what makes it so amazing, and I think it's time that CCP involved itself in the process again. |
Karum Jobidus
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:54:00 -
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Yes.
It would be nice to see events that also tie into Faction Warfare. A constantly changing set of events would give me a reason to play Eve until the hamsters died of old age. |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:58:00 -
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.10.27 19:34:00 -
[51]
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Kaeden Smyth
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Posted - 2008.10.27 19:37:00 -
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2008.10.27 19:41:00 -
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I am not really a person who participates in events, but they do seem to be important to many players, and they do add immensely to the game's back story which is something I appreciate.
Supported. |
Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.27 19:46:00 -
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Nothing engages players or makes a game seem as involved as having the opportunity to influence the very back story the game is based on. Embracing this idea and making it work would take EvE even more strides ahead of other games.
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T Dave
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.27 19:48:00 -
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A firm 'yes' to this one from me, someone who, unfortunately, never got to experience any of these epic moments except by second-hand reports, largely due to me being unaware of the RP side of the game.
I remember talking to my first ever CEO as he regaled us with stories of the Battle for Crielere and just how damn amazing it sounded. Sure, he said there was lag, he lost his ship (a pricey - at the time - Megathron), he missed out on loot drops but they were all of minimal note against the fun he had. Emphasis there is obviously on the 'fun' aspect.
The feeling I got from these people who'd been there and done it was that, by and large, it didn't matter if there were shiny loot drops, it didn't matter that they lost ships, because they felt they were doing something that was directly involved with the backstory.
I'd like to see those days again.
Of course there are things to workaround (EvE's got a whole lot bigger, for a start), but none of those problems are insurmountable and, in my opinion, they're thoroughly worth every ounce of effort.
Solid 'Yes'. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Evil Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:09:00 -
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I would support this concept, but with the understanding that the events would be integrated into existing game mechanics, rather than competing with them. Scagga is running for the CSM, see his campaign thread to know of his standpoints! |
slugdo masada
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:23:00 -
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I want this a lot.
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Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.27 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ugleb on 27/10/2008 22:00:04 My own thoughts are already posted here but for the sake of a concise thread I'll quote myself.
Quote: And I want to see the universe reflect the players again, like it used to.
Strip away all rewards, have the actors ships drop no loot. Make it 100% about narrative and no finanicial aspects to an event what so ever.
But let New Eden breathe again.
Contact the Sarz'na Khumatari |
A Soporific
Venom Pointe Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.27 23:01:00 -
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Hardly a day goes by that I wish that I joined earlier so that I could have participated in such events. I would have to say that this has to be done right, not necessarily soon. Give it a year or two run up, try various things in test servers. Any movement on this topic would give some people I know who left the game over time a very good reason to come back.
I would love to see this thing come again, even in a more modest scope. |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2008.10.27 23:12:00 -
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While I do wish CCP would bring back the events from before, they do need to do it somewhat differently than they did it before to make sure there is no appearance of favoritism or railroading, as there has been in the past. There also needs to be realistic consequences for people who take part in these events -- standings changes, etc -- and these consequences have to have a real game effect. If you have -5 standings with the Federation, why can you dock in Fed Navy stations (assuming you can get to them)? If you have +9 standings with the Guristas, why do they shoot at you all the time anyway?
I elaborated on what I think needs to happen before AURORA or something like it can come back in Jade's thread on SHC, so I won't go back into it here, but as far as the idea of bringing them back period? Yes, I really miss the players taking part in the story -- or even feeling like they are in the same setting as the background storyline, something that seems to be sadly lacking now. |
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