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Chrono Homega Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.27 08:57:00 - [1] I hope comunity understand this... As tittle says, I use to get my Hulk out of its hangar, clean my strip miners, go to a belt and try to mine the more I can. Prices in minerals are so low, due to the great supply that macrominers do, that I can badly pay one GTC a month, and nothing more. And now, macrominers get the ultimate macromining power, a Empire freighter, the Orca. I have only 1 account in this game, I have no time either money to pay for another one. So here is my question: As my character is a great mining char, and I want to follow that line, What good will bring the Orca to me? How can I use one of these for making more isk mining+?
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.10.27 09:11:00 - [2] If they train up a new char to fly it, howmuch time does it cost? My guess is when they get banned for macro'ing, they loose more then they gain with it. Just watch the Orca, and report it with arguments why it's macro'ing.
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.27 12:01:00 - [3] Edited by: Joss Sparq on 27/10/2008 12:01:36 Originally by: Chrono Homega Prices in minerals are so low, due to the great supply that macrominers do, that I can badly pay one GTC a month, and nothing more. Right ... well if you really do enjoy mining that much and want to keep doing it - but it isn't making you enough ISK - then I would think the next logical step is to find something else to do which is more profitable, to support your mining. And I never thought I'd say that to anyone, ever Originally by: Chrono Homega And now, macrominers get the ultimate macromining power, a Empire freighter, the Orca. You're only speculating and wildly at that. The impact remains to be seen and as much as I detest macro miners and their ilk, the sky hasn't fallen since what, 2003? Originally by: Chrono Homega What good will bring the Orca to me? How can I use one of these for making more isk mining+? Theory: 1) Locate some like-minded and like-skilled individuals and make them your friends. 2) Then, go find a suitable system and strip it of ore. 3) Profit. I leave the requisite math and smaller details up to you to figure out.
Jonna Andromedae	Posted - 2008.10.27 12:31:00 - [4] Edited by: Jonna Andromedae on 27/10/2008 12:31:59 Orca is worthless to macrominers. And macrominers are pretty much gone anyway. Ice harvesting still has macros. Now macros are running missions, both kill and couriers (they take like 9 couriers from agent blob systems and run them all at once) with new, more intelligent macro softwares. They are farming LP's and ISK. Orca is just bonus and logistic ship for mining, that's all. For lonely miner it doesn't bring any help. You need few Hulks, one hauler and the Orca pilot to get benefit from it.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.10.27 12:32:00 - [5] Mineral prices have very little to do with macrominers and very lot to do with loot drops and demand curves for the various items that use those mins. Capitals in particular drive the prices up of things like trit and mex, which in turn because of the basket drive the other prices lower. Couple that with high end drops, etc... you get a ... You know what... screw it. I'm just gonna bookmark every Akita thread and copypasta them every time we get these threads.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.27 12:43:00 - [6] Edited by: Akita T on 27/10/2008 12:44:44 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria You know what... screw it. I'm just gonna bookmark every Akita thread and copypasta them every time we get these threads. You do that Originally by: Chrono Homega macrominers get the ultimate macromining power[...] I want to follow that line, What good will bring the Orca to me? How can I use one of these for making more isk mining+? Gee, I don't know, what about doing the exact same thing you claim the macrominers would do with it ??? _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Viilaa Caldari OH Corp	Posted - 2008.10.27 15:03:00 - [7] The Orca is useless for the single player with less than 2 or 3 accounts. It is designed to help small corps (possibly even large corps) in Empire to be more productive. If you want to be more productive in mining, hook up with a corp that has some mining bonuses and such and you will be better off.. Besides mining is always way more fun with friends to chat with while mining. I need to check out the Orca on the test server to be sure, but right now I see my corp buying one a couple weeks after they come out - once the initial price gouging lessens. Viilaa
Sophie Daigneau Risky Advanced Production Enterprises GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.27 18:21:00 - [8] The orca will completely remove the can-flipping exploits as you can dump your ore directly in the Orca's CHA, then the orca pilot can tranfer to its cargohold, completely bypassing the need for cans. The mining bonus is nice, but its the CHA that is the real value for macro miners.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.10.27 18:36:00 - [9] Of course the Orca is good for macrominers. Anything good for players = good for macrominers. What part of this is hard to understand?? However I'm not inclined to cut of my nose to spite my face. I have a new clone, her skill points are quite low but i forsee vast potential. Born at 05:56 18-Oct-08, weighing 7 lbs 12 oz, and was named Lara Florence. Mother & baby doing well - Dylythium
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.27 18:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Shar Tegral Of course the Orca is good for macrominers. Anything good for players = good for macrominers. What part of this is hard to understand?? However I'm not inclined to cut of my nose to spite my face. Everything good for automated or sweat shop workers is not necessary good for players, however. As a strawman we could have e.g. a module which has a 22.5 hour cycle time with a required every 18 minute trivial interaction which at the end of the cycle mines all the minerals in the system to a station. That said I disagree that the Orca is a high sec miner godsend. They don't mind in gangs they simply send the mackinaws out to the ice belt. It's still more profitable to get as many accounts as the hardware will handle sucking ice than dealing with command ships or orcas and dodging bansticks with highly trained (expensive) characters.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.10.27 19:25:00 - [11] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/10/2008 19:27:31 Originally by: Clair Bear They don't mine in gangs they simply send the mackinaws out to the ice belt. It's still more profitable to get as many accounts as the hardware will handle sucking ice than dealing with command ships or orcas and dodging bansticks with highly trained (expensive) characters. ^^^ Scams compilation
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.10.27 21:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Clair Bear a module which has a 22.5 hour cycle time with a required every 18 minute trivial interaction I would like to see math problems are a way to see if someone is mining or if its just a macro. Something with some physics; something to make sure that someone is really there behind the computer screaming that they don't understand the question being asked.
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.27 22:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Bloody Rabbit Originally by: Clair Bear a module which has a 22.5 hour cycle time with a required every 18 minute trivial interaction I would like to see math problems are a way to see if someone is mining or if its just a macro. Something with some physics; something to make sure that someone is really there behind the computer screaming that they don't understand the question being asked. Now THIS is a great idea! Automated carebear tears generator. Could even make it adaptive. If the miner is well versed in physics and math, switch to pop culture trivia for obscure cultures, with a healthy dose of Navajo and Aboriginal creation myths. If by some miracle they google their way out of that one progress to theories of Marxism and Leninism, and if by some miracle they get past that: gearhead knowledge. E.g. Chrysler produced the following engine(s) in 1963: 1. 426 Hemi 2. 426 Wedge 3. All of the above 4. None of the above 5. Who the hell is Chrysler? I likes. Can I haz? I promise to resub all my accounts if this goes in.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.10.28 00:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Bloody Rabbit Originally by: Clair Bear a module which has a 22.5 hour cycle time with a required every 18 minute trivial interaction I would like to see math problems are a way to see if someone is mining or if its just a macro. Something with some physics; something to make sure that someone is really there behind the computer screaming that they don't understand the question being asked. Sadist
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.28 01:04:00 - [15] I think some sort of interaction based enhancements are almost certain to come through. However I highly doubt it will be math's quizzes or random mini-games. CCP want to retain immersion so will look at alternate ways to keep it realistic within the storyline. This may include things like locking onto an asteroid and training your lasers to specific high yield areas of the asteroid or things such as that which actually make sense. Or even having Heat on asteroids, if your laser is trained to one section of the roid too long it will cause it to prematurely pop. Therefore the miner needs to cycle asteroids or mine different sectors of the roid to avoid the exploding roid (which means needing to move to another one)
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.10.28 01:23:00 - [16] Edited by: Bloody Rabbit on 28/10/2008 01:23:33 yes but the idea of math quiz or just general questions on thermal physics would be fun. plus it would kill mining in a heartbeat.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.10.28 02:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Ricdic I think some sort of interaction based enhancements are almost certain to come through. However I highly doubt it will be math's quizzes or random mini-games. CCP want to retain immersion so will look at alternate ways to keep it realistic within the storyline. This may include things like locking onto an asteroid and training your lasers to specific high yield areas of the asteroid or things such as that which actually make sense. Or even having Heat on asteroids, if your laser is trained to one section of the roid too long it will cause it to prematurely pop. Therefore the miner needs to cycle asteroids or mine different sectors of the roid to avoid the exploding roid (which means needing to move to another one) Why do I suddenly get visions of "Puzzle Pirates" in my head? I was going to explain what it is, but can't be bothered. Download it, it's cool :) Improve Market Competition!
Atherin Gaius Caldari Domini Umbrus	Posted - 2008.10.28 03:11:00 - [18] if you can't make enough mining in a month to more than cover a GTC, I think you need to find a better place to mine or a corp to mine with.
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.28 03:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Atherin Gaius if you can't make enough mining in a month to more than cover a GTC, I think you need to find a better place to mine or a corp to mine with. Some people have a RL
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.10.28 03:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Atherin Gaius if you can't make enough mining in a month to more than cover a GTC, I think you need to find a better place to mine or a corp to mine with. Some people have a RL what you don't set the macro to play and go to work?
Frenden Dax	Posted - 2008.10.28 03:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Bloody Rabbit Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Atherin Gaius if you can't make enough mining in a month to more than cover a GTC, I think you need to find a better place to mine or a corp to mine with. Some people have a RL what you don't set the macro to play and go to work? If you work for money, why not just buy GTCs and cut out the in-between task of playing the game?
Lillian D'Florite	Posted - 2008.10.28 06:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Jonna Andromedae Edited by: Jonna Andromedae on 27/10/2008 12:31:59 Orca is worthless to macrominers. And macrominers are pretty much gone anyway. Ice harvesting still has macros. Now macros are running missions, both kill and couriers (they take like 9 couriers from agent blob systems and run them all at once) with new, more intelligent macro softwares. They are farming LP's and ISK. Orca is just bonus and logistic ship for mining, that's all. For lonely miner it doesn't bring any help. You need few Hulks, one hauler and the Orca pilot to get benefit from it. this.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.10.28 06:12:00 - [23] Remember folks, Macro mining is fawned upon... petition petition petition. Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Harry Caray Caldari Windy City Mineral Group New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.10.28 07:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Clair Bear ] Now THIS is a great idea! Automated carebear tears generator. Could even make it adaptive. If the miner is well versed in physics and math, switch to pop culture trivia for obscure cultures, with a healthy dose of Navajo and Aboriginal creation myths. If by some miracle they google their way out of that one progress to theories of Marxism and Leninism, and if by some miracle they get past that: gearhead knowledge. E.g. Chrysler produced the following engine(s) in 1963: 1. 426 Hemi 2. 426 Wedge 3. All of the above 4. None of the above 5. Who the hell is Chrysler? I likes. Can I haz? I promise to resub all my accounts if this goes in. hahaha, mopar or no car.
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.28 08:51:00 - [25] exactly how does one macro mine with a 100km3 cargohold and no ability to fit miners or strips? mining drones? well that doesn't work, mining drones go into idle after popping a roid. And it's a lot slower than a macro running a hulk. So no I dont think macrominers will use orca's, unless they have multiple accounts running the macro and put an afk orca in system for bonuses. So it's not going to help them much more than the rest of eve. Active players will be able to put to better use than a macro.
Komatose Caldari Libertas Contraho	Posted - 2008.10.28 11:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Harry Caray Originally by: Clair Bear ] Now THIS is a great idea! Automated carebear tears generator. Could even make it adaptive. If the miner is well versed in physics and math, switch to pop culture trivia for obscure cultures, with a healthy dose of Navajo and Aboriginal creation myths. If by some miracle they google their way out of that one progress to theories of Marxism and Leninism, and if by some miracle they get past that: gearhead knowledge. E.g. Chrysler produced the following engine(s) in 1963: 1. 426 Hemi 2. 426 Wedge 3. All of the above 4. None of the above 5. Who the hell is Chrysler? I likes. Can I haz? I promise to resub all my accounts if this goes in. hahaha, mopar or no car. 1970 HHR Cuda, in Plumb Crazy plzkthx
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Chrono Homega I hope comunity understand this... As tittle says, I use to get my Hulk out of its hangar, clean my strip miners, go to a belt and try to mine the more I can. Prices in minerals are so low, due to the great supply that macrominers do, that I can badly pay one GTC a month, and nothing more. And now, macrominers get the ultimate macromining power, a Empire freighter, the Orca. I have only 1 account in this game, I have no time either money to pay for another one. So here is my question: As my character is a great mining char, and I want to follow that line, What good will bring the Orca to me? How can I use one of these for making more isk mining+? Are you trying to troll? The Orca got NOTHING that the macroers want. Its long skill training, its expensive and offers nothing to them. If a Macroaccount holds for 6 months is a really long time. There is a reason they all fly retrievers and not hulks. Epic fail by the OP. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Frenden Dax If you work for money, why not just buy GTCs and cut out the in-between task of playing the game? GTC have their place, I use GTC as IPO fund, and no I don't use nor support the use of macro's. I have a strong history of filing petitions on macro's and isk spammers. To that point that they don't close my petitions so I can't file more. My point is that macro's are easy to write, so most activities are programmable. As for the math quiz no I don't want that but if you really watch Eve most of it is so basic that the steps to writing code is too easy. The mining scripts are easy, the mission scripts are a little harder, now for the challenge I'm trying to setup market scripts. But I don't share nor do I run macro's unattended, I like to see if I still have my programming abilities. Originally by: Shadarle I notice a lot of people who are very bad at playing the market tend to want CCP to step in and remove the competition from the market so they don't continue coming in last place.[/qu
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.28 16:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Atherin Gaius if you can't make enough mining in a month to more than cover a GTC, I think you need to find a better place to mine or a corp to mine with. Some people have a RL The use that RL to go earn some RL cash and stop buying GTC's. sXe
Rafael Urdaneta	Posted - 2008.10.28 17:42:00 - [30] I have an idea, mining ppl can create an "aliance" to control the ore prices and teh region to sell it i knw that sound a little stupid or too much complex to do but whit a good organitation that can be possible, the other problems is all teh minerals and ore are on sell in jita that si another problem everyone ho whant to buy mineals or some ore must travel to jita and the sellers in jita especial macromining char put all they cuantys of isk more low because they can mine alot of isk in a few time, that was i say to cretae difernet regiosn to sell th ore and teh minerals i dun knw if this is a good idea or a bad idea but well is just a comment (srry for my english) if anyone cant understand what im saying plz post it and i will try to explain it a little more

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