Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Evan Batarr

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Originally by: Cobra Ball

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I can't speak for all mission runners but for people like me, this really puts a dent into what i really want to do - PVP

You see, as much as i dislike running level 4, I find its a pretty good way (not the best, but not the worst either) to make enough money to replace my PVP losses. I tried the other professions and i just don't enjoy them. After a day at work, its easier for me to run some mission than sit at a computer trading in jita, or mining for hours on end.

So for the average person like me, the less isk that i make, the less i can PVP. And trust me, i am not a very good PVPer, so i do lose a lot of ships.

I think in the long run, this can be a problem for them game. After all, this game ultimately revolves around PVP. The less people want to do that, the less likely they are to log in. If that happens, then industrialist won't have anyone to sell their ships to, and miners will have no one to sell their minerals to.

And no, you can't have my stuff. I am not going to freak out like some people seem to from every tidbit a dev post on EVE-O. Just my two cents.

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This!!

I live in 0.0 and while I agree that you can make more money ratting in 0.0 I often run LV4s to make the money to afford PVP (and I PVP a lot).
Reasons:
I'm often not in a mood to play THAT concentrated (always watch local etc.).
Many 0.0 systems have only few ratting systems being worthwile - and those are crowded.

So to be honest - I don't think LV4s need a nerf (or only a small one) but 0.0 needs a BOOST!

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I wholly agree that 0.0 - useful 0.0 - needs to be hugely expanded. In fact if 0.0 was made big enough, and the new areas were far enough away (ie: on the far side of what is currently the outermost edge of 0.0) then I wouldn't really care what happened in empire. Turn it all into pink ponies for all it would concern me.

There was a considerable discussion of this in a thread I started called something like "Let's work this out". There is also an extended debate on hi-sec missioning in the "how much is a hi-sec level 4 agent worth?" thread.

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