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Ren Surkova Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2008.10.31 17:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Davina Braben FO3 has got 90% plus on all three platforms on Metacritic. Everyone I talk to playing it says it's great. Which only proves what we already knew : 90% of people are bloody morons. 'akita t is an elitist neckbeard' sounds more plausible
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.31 17:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Ren Surkova Originally by: Akita T Which only proves what we already knew : 90% of people are bloody morons. 'akita t is an elitist neckbeard' sounds more plausible Do these two statements need to be mutually exclusive ? I think not _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
kor anon Amarr Corporeal utopia for nasty tramps	Posted - 2008.10.31 18:41:00 - [33] Ive got it and ive played it for about 12 hours now, deep into the main quest. Its a very good game, not great, not superb. Strengths: Excellent visuals, captures a post apocalyptic landscape perfectly Good combat system (including VATS for some very s***y cinematic shots) Unlike oblivion this game actually has immersion. (eg. Doing a quest for some old guy who wants me to check on the other inhabitants of the village. first two households are ok, sort of. Comes to last house where i am presented with the fine view of 2 desicated corpses. I actually went "AWW man" and held my hand to my nose in RL - not many games have made me do that)(another occasion i almost shat bricks and spent 5 mins looking for enemies, not knowing i had set off a shotgun trap) Animation is not as bad as everyone says it is, although there is a floaty element to movement, your pose will depend on elevation of each leg, and gradient etc) Very humorous - laughed out loud on several occasions (gory kill are also quite amusing too) Lots of quests to get down and dirty on. Characterful locations, not just copypasta rubble The compass thingy isnt as obvious as in oblivion, so you often stumble onto cool places. the need to repair was a very good idea, as it made combat very challenging especially if you forget to repair. Your supposed to be surviving after all so i think this was a good idea could do with a little toning down though captures the fallout atmosphere better than fallout 2 Weaknesses: Voice acting still pap NPC occasionally block each others path some bland quests Investing skill points into long range weapons are fairly pointless, as often you are close enough to have a high hit chance anyway. Further highlighted if you get the accuracy improvement perks Supermutants need to be toughened up. Super mutant brute should be the bog standard (these are tough buggers) could do with a little more enemy variety suffers a bit from bethedsas simplicity agenda but not by much. As a stand alone game it is great value for money, and i think you should definately pick up a copy (even if your a die hard fallout fanatic as there are already mods to remove the compass and markers) Is it as good as the previous fallouts? No, but doesnt fall that short of the mark. Gameplay wise id choose this over isometric view (dont say "but its more tactical" thats bull crap, play F3 on very hard and youll see) The quests and story is lacking compared to the previous too, but blandness is too be expected if you have 5 perhaps 7 times the amount of quests of the other two put together. Id give F3 a rating of 82% (very good in my books, i dont approve of a 90+ unless it is exceptional)
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.31 22:41:00 - [34] I got it as well now, very disappointed. + awesome graphics + splatter - lifeless world as expected ("oblivion with guns") - all dialogues are either "click every option" the NPC offers or "click one option and you're done" ... basically no progress since the Ultima series 20 years ago ;-) - too much "realism" in the wrong places: you need similar items to repair your stuff (instead of using junk that is lying around everywhere), on the other hand you can't even smash random stuff / locked doors with a sledge hammer I stopped playing after 2 hours, not sure when I'll try again. :-/
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.11.01 03:07:00 - [35] Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 01/11/2008 03:07:29 Bethseda took one of the best series ever conceived and turned it into an Oblivion clone and Oblivion was mediocre at best. Way to ruin the series ****tards --- My cat Putter approves of this post.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.01 08:53:00 - [36] I like it... hooray cannibal perk! --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!!
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.11.01 10:25:00 - [37] They even left in some of the annoying Oblivion bugs, e.g. when you enter an area where corpses are lying, you see them drop out of the air for a short time.
Dorian Novak	Posted - 2008.11.01 10:53:00 - [38] Alright, gave it a go, tried it out and here's my opinion: Fallout 3 is horse**** compared to Fallout 1 or 2. Best regards, D.N.
Quintus Armilus No Quarter. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.11.01 15:25:00 - [39] Very, very much like oblivion. A bit to like oblivion, not that thats a bad think.
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.11.01 15:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Lazuran They even left in some of the annoying Oblivion bugs, e.g. when you enter an area where corpses are lying, you see them drop out of the air for a short time. The game uses the oblivion engine. . . . . . . . . . ___ I cannot be held responsible for the above post, because apparently,my cat has learned to type. :3

kor anon Amarr Corporeal utopia for nasty tramps	Posted - 2008.11.01 16:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Neyro7830 Originally by: Lazuran They even left in some of the annoying Oblivion bugs, e.g. when you enter an area where corpses are lying, you see them drop out of the air for a short time. The game uses the oblivion engine. . . . . . . . . . indeed thats the only reason why they call it an oblivion clone , plus most of these whiners are complaining for the sake of it. If you go into a game with a poor attitude no matter how good it is it will seem **** to you
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.11.01 17:07:00 - [42] Edited by: Lustralis on 01/11/2008 17:07:26 Guys, stop dissing it, you're all doing my head in. This afternoon I paid out $58 for it on Steam and it's at 85% download. I just wanted to play something different other than constant TF and the screenshots looked nice ;). I had a choice between FO3, Far Cry 2 and Crysis. I'd have to buy a new GC for Crysis and I read that Far Cry 2 was a bit crap, so FO3 it was. I didn't play Oblivion btw, so have no clue what that reference is all about. edit: I didn't play fallout 1 or 2 either, so there......
kor anon Amarr Corporeal utopia for nasty tramps	Posted - 2008.11.01 17:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Lustralis Edited by: Lustralis on 01/11/2008 17:07:26 Guys, stop dissing it, you're all doing my head in. This afternoon I paid out $58 for it on Steam and it's at 85% download. I just wanted to play something different other than constant TF and the screenshots looked nice ;). I had a choice between FO3, Far Cry 2 and Crysis. I'd have to buy a new GC for Crysis and I read that Far Cry 2 was a bit crap, so FO3 it was. I didn't play Oblivion btw, so have no clue what that reference is all about. edit: I didn't play fallout 1 or 2 either, so there...... then youll love it
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.11.01 17:47:00 - [44] Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 01/11/2008 17:51:33 Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 01/11/2008 17:50:41 Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 01/11/2008 17:47:38 Originally by: Lustralis Edited by: Lustralis on 01/11/2008 17:07:26 Guys, stop dissing it, you're all doing my head in. This afternoon I paid out $58 for it on Steam and it's at 85% download. I just wanted to play something different other than constant TF and the screenshots looked nice ;). I had a choice between FO3, Far Cry 2 and Crysis. I'd have to buy a new GC for Crysis and I read that Far Cry 2 was a bit crap, so FO3 it was. I didn't play Oblivion btw, so have no clue what that reference is all about. edit: I didn't play fallout 1 or 2 either, so there...... Then you will probably like it. The reason I hated Oblivion was because they dumbed it down from Marrowind for the sake of console users who found Marrowind "too complex" They did the exact same thing with Fallout 3 and used the Oblivion engine to power it. I've you've never experienced Fallout 1, 2, or Tactics you will have nothing to compare it to and you will probably like it. I'm also getting sick and tired of everything being a damn first person shooter or converted to one because thats the only thing that will run on a console these days. I grew up with the NES and SNES, so graphics don't mean ** to me. I would rather the game have mediocre graphics but awesome gameplay and story. A great example of this is Dwarf Fortress. That game is the most addicting game I have ever played. It uses the graphics power of an Atari (NES if you get a graphics pack) but the game play is so amazingly good that you don't care that the graphics consist of ASCII characters. Everything these days are about graphics now and story and gameplay are after thoughts and its terrible because these games are absolute **. --- My cat Putter approves of this post.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.01 18:43:00 - [45] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 01/11/2008 18:45:05 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Davina Braben FO3 has got 90% plus on all three platforms on Metacritic. Everyone I talk to playing it says it's great. Which only proves what we already knew : 90% of people are bloody morons. It only proves that big business eventually gets to all magazines/gaming sites and that many like to play games as a casual 3-4 hs/week thing, that they are not dedicated nor do they wish to become dedicated. PS: This comes from someone who still plays lords of the realm 2, JA2, X-COM apoc and OpenTTD and has loved the Fallout series. Many foresaw the fact that Fa3 was going to be crap, and tbh it wasn't because they had inside information or were incredibly lucky. --- I smack just for myself. [orange]Your signature is too large. Please resi
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.11.01 19:13:00 - [46] Edited by: Davina Braben on 01/11/2008 19:16:51 Originally by: Muad' Dib Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 01/11/2008 18:45:05 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Davina Braben FO3 has got 90% plus on all three platforms on Metacritic. Everyone I talk to playing it says it's great. Which only proves what we already knew : 90% of people are bloody morons. It only proves that big business eventually gets to all magazines/gaming sites and that many like to play games as a casual 3-4 hs/week thing, that they are not dedicated nor do they wish to become dedicated. PS: This comes from someone who still plays lords of the realm 2, JA2, X-COM apoc and OpenTTD and has loved the Fallout series. Many foresaw the fact that Fa3 was going to be crap, and tbh it wasn't because they had inside information or were incredibly lucky. Is it possible... just possible that it's actually a pretty decent game in it's own right and it's quite possible to like it if you weren't expecting it to be identical to a 10 year old game made by another developer? I'm not saying it's impossible to dislike it if you're not a whiny sperging fanboy... but that certainly seems to make up a significant majority of the people who I've seen commenting. Check out the MC user reviews. A quick glance through and I couldn't see one negative review that didn't say "franchise" or in some cases of extreme obesity "canon". Did Bethesda also bribe my friends who are telling me it's decent?
kor anon Amarr Corporeal utopia for nasty tramps	Posted - 2008.11.01 19:17:00 - [47] Finished MQ, ending was Ghey. They lied about permutations, and the ending video you get depends on a choice you get 5mins towards the end. Total dissapointment, you can take a further 10% off my score. Bethedsa just took good game and spoilt it with such a ****ty ending
Khadur Minmatar Fatality. Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.11.01 19:40:00 - [48] This is why lol Originally by: Intense Thinker Why won't it let me gun down the little kids running around?
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.11.01 19:44:00 - [49] Originally by: Davina Braben Did Bethesda also bribe my friends who are telling me it's decent? If your friends are all console tards they don't have to
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.11.01 20:02:00 - [50] It seems buggy as hell. I've just played through the start. First, when "dad" is telling me I need to do the G.O.A.T., I click a chat option and one time he said his lines and then no further chat options appeared, but I was stuck in "talk to dad" view and couldn't do anything. So I went back to the party auto-save (got through it the second time). Next up, I just handed my G.O.A.T. test in at the desk, did a bit of dialog and then, "Fallout 3 has encountered an error and must close" Windows error box pops up. NICE! $58!!!!!

Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.11.01 20:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Davina Braben Did Bethesda also bribe my friends who are telling me it's decent? If your friends are all console tards they don't have to This. Its like going back in time and giving a lighter to a caveman. The caveman will be infatuated by the "pretty colors" not realizing that the possibilities are so much more. --- My cat Putter approves of this post.
Dittatore DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.01 20:40:00 - [52] I'm an old gamer who started playin games in 1984 and few games have surprised me so well like Fallout 3. It has great graphics, a huge game world full of side quests that will entertain you for hundred hours, cinematic combat, good weapon choices, detailed scary monsters and much much more. But most of all, the gameplay immersion.... oh God, the immersion with this game is absoloutely wonderful: the breathtakin' nuclear landscape of D.C., the sad '50s retro-music and the attention put on details are all amazing and makes you feel like you were really left alone wandering around in that ****d postnuclear world. Even the sophisticated AI routines of the NPCs make them look alive and real. What more could you ask from a game? Nothing is my answer. I thank and bow to Bethesda team for this gorgeous game that will enter the videogame history for sure. Now come with me into the Wastelands.....
Falaricae	Posted - 2008.11.01 21:06:00 - [53] Originally by: Davina Braben Is it possible... just possible that it's actually a pretty decent game in it's own right and it's quite possible to like it if you weren't expecting it to be identical to a 10 year old game made by another developer? I'm not saying it's impossible to dislike it if you're not a whiny sperging fanboy... but that certainly seems to make up a significant majority of the people who I've seen commenting. Check out the MC user reviews. A quick glance through and I couldn't see one negative review that didn't say "franchise" or in some cases of extreme obesity "canon". Did Bethesda also bribe my friends who are telling me it's decent? I haven't played fallout 3, but I think I can enlighten you where the negative comments are coming from. The game is propably average to good in it's own right. Propably a polished version of oblivion engine with some new gameplay added. If you liked oblivion you will like it, propably even more. It will have some of the problems oblivion had and some new ones introduced by the fps/turn-based combat mix. That said many people that have played the previous games feel that it isn't a fallout game. It uses the familiar graphics, names and ideas, but abandons the spirit and lore of the previous games. If you didn't know anything about them, this critizism doesn't mean anything to you. To players that loved the universe of FO1 and 2 this is a problem. You can read the details in most FO fan forums. Analogy that we all understand would be, if EVE died and years later someone made EVE2. This game would have all the races and ships and shit, but the gameplay worked more like in WOW. Death would not mean anything, ships would not act like the current counterparts, piracy, scammin and wars would be banned and so forth. It might be a 100% game with millions of players, but to the people who liked the old EVE it would feel like the new company just took a giant shit on their belowed gameworld. In a real sense it would not have the things that made EVE what it was and the world would not be the EVE we know even if all the names remained the same.
Daelin Blackleaf	Posted - 2008.11.01 21:42:00 - [54] How to enjoy the fall-out series. 1. Play Fallout 3 2. Play Fallout 1 3. Play fallout 2 By following this pattern players should be able to enjoy each game for what it is without whining about it. Whatever happens you should not play 1 & 2, leave it a few years, and then play 3 as by then the previous two games will have become part of that idealized realm of perception we call "the past" and lead to a condition with many of the symptoms of "bitter old vet" syndrome.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.11.01 22:41:00 - [55] Edited by: Qui Shon on 01/11/2008 22:42:17 Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf ...as by then the previous two games will have become part of that idealized realm of perception we call "the past" and lead to a condition with many of the symptoms of "bitter old vet" syndrome. Your play order is most probably a very good suggestion, however, the rest I take exception to. The issues with quite a few modern versions of older games is CERTAINLY not limited to comparisons with idealized golden memories. After being so disappointed with Oblivion, I installed Morrowind and could verify that indeed it is a superior game. I gave Morrowind more hours on the replaying then I ever gave Oblivion, despite worse graphics and a limited combat system. Far Cry 2 is **, and luckily I have Crysis installed so I can compare directly just how FC2 really is. Now if only I could find my original Far Cry somewhere, I'd gladly play through it again, despite remembering most of it, rather then suffer through Far Cry 2. System Shock 1 & 2 vs BioShock. Holy moly, they dumbed it down for the tards again. I could go on and on. For each and every one of these I can list several things which took a turn for the worse, and none of it is "from [an] idealized realm of perception we call "the past", but rather from a direct comparison between features. I believe all of these have been ruined for the sake of catering to *** console... players.
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.11.01 23:00:00 - [56] To be honest, I'm not sure what games you guys have played in the past, but I can't quite believe the incredible ****e-ness of FO-3, despite the dissonance I'm feeling about shelling out nearly $60 for it this morning. To continue where I left off, I updated my graphics drivers and all was well. However, I'm transported back to the days of Half-Life 1 (yes 1), with the character animation and the way people move around. It's just unbelievably rubbish. The AI is pathetic. I mean really, really bad. The character motion feels "wrong" (perhaps this was designed for a console, where every FPS feels wrong to me). The game constantly taking control of the situation and preventing me from doing anything while dialogue continues is tedious in the extreme. I managed to kill the Overseer and his daughter - she was lying dead on the floor, then I turned around and she was up on her feet again, back in her previous AI state. Really, this kind of characterisation and AI engine was state of the art 10 years ago. Characters walk into each other and "glide" across the floor until they can make it past and literally turn without moving their legs. Honestly, I wanted to go retro the other day, so I downloaded a cute remake of Atic-Attack; I'm seriously gutted I spent this much cash on FO-3. What are you guys smoking?
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.01 23:21:00 - [57] Originally by: Lustralis What are you guys smoking? Jet --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!!
Deidranna Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.02 00:17:00 - [58] Originally by: Lustralis It seems buggy as hell. [...] NICE! $58!!!!! the bethesda tech-support forum is very busy :) but finaly, i was able to launch the game (win2k compability mode ) and after playing for a few hours ... it's fun. -------------------------------------------------- GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we? GM Eldini > This chat is so intelligent it hurts..
Geo Morpher	Posted - 2008.11.02 01:22:00 - [59] Haha I see a trend among people who dislike and like FO3. People, who dislike the game, are old hardcore gamers that have played every video game made since Isaac Newton. These gamers tend to not evolve with the game industry, stuck in some Golden Age. However, this statement differentiates to a degree. Rather, people, who like the game, are new generation gamers. Their first system is either any of the new generation consoles. They want all of the new games, especially franchise games.
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.11.02 01:56:00 - [60] Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 02/11/2008 01:56:36 Originally by: Geo Morpher Haha I see a trend among people who dislike and like FO3. People, who dislike the game, are old hardcore gamers that have played every video game made since Isaac Newton. These gamers tend to not evolve with the game industry, stuck in some Golden Age. However, this statement differentiates to a degree. Rather, people, who like the game, are new generation gamers. Their first system is either any of the new generation consoles. They want all of the new games, especially franchise games. Its not that we refuse to evolve with the industry but the industry is stuck in ** mode cranking out one **ty FPS after another. 80% of all games being made these days are FPS or a variation of a FPS. Its also not that I don't like FPS games. I do, but these games that they are throwing out there are ALL about graphics and nothing else! Wheres the story? Wheres the innovative design? WHEN the hell are we going to get intelligent AI instead of idiot NPCs that charge blindly into your gun sights? It also doesn't help that the console makers have basically killed any possibility of intelligent AI by designing these consoles so they can't multiprocess. The old timers are nostalgic of that "Golden Age" because the game play back then was a hell of a lot better. Yeah, the graphics where terrible, but games HAD to have good game play as a result or it was just another bad game. Now its just eye candy and nothing else. They've done a complete 180 on game design. We've experienced breath taking stories, innovative combat systems, and endings that give you incredible satisfaction. Games today do none of these things. The younger generation has never experienced anything other than OMFGWOWBBQ graphics so they have no idea that its even possible for there to be anything other than awesome graphics. --- My cat Putter approves of this post.



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