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Nexus Kinnon Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.10.31 20:39:00 - [61] Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson oh, and on a side note, all u are going to accomplish by being belligerent is making ppl angry, and when ppl get angry at you, they dont listen. so why not just chill out and be constructive, mkay? I was polite and constructive my first two posts, and look where that got me.
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2008.11.01 00:02:00 - [62] Even if the NH gets a bit more powergrid, it will ever be a ****ty ship since it shieldtanks. Upcoming patch, more focus on sigradius, -> shield extender and shield riggs will really gimp any setup.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.01 00:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Fistme However you missed the point I was trying to make. Imagine 2 Command ships instead of 2 Battleships, the 2 Command ships WILL deal with the HACS more effectively and quicker than the use of 2 Battleships. Now Maybe my vision of a Field Command ship is different than yours but I seem them as an option to a battleship that enables more personal defensive capabilities against smaller craft with the trade off of less raw muscle and EHP of a battleship. Oh, yes, that absolutely works. However, I generally find CS to be low on slots (midslots to be precise, bar the Astarte) for full tackle, which does hamper them here a bit - and Field CS are, imo, small gang tools. As gangs get bigger, you either want a Fleet CS or a BS really. Originally by: Fistme Overall Branko I don't want you to misunderstand me here. I'm fully on board for increasing the fighting capabilities of field commands against larger ships however I don't want them to ever trump a BS for slugging, something probably prevented by the use of medium mods anyway. Honestly, I don't see a risk of that happening - their damage output (and their range) cannot possibly match battleship, not to mention that (while being very RR friendly personally) they cannot provide RR as well as BS do. All that guarantees that they're going to be inferior to BS for flat out slugging. What I would really like to see is more ease of fitting a warfare link and extra mids for tackle (well, and a T2 Hurricane ) which is really something they can use more in small gang settings (where you'd want to take a field CS to start with). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rick Rothsar Black Rose Administration Black Rose Syndicate.	Posted - 2008.11.01 04:41:00 - [64] Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson which tech 1 cruiser has more slots than a HAC? Hello, Ms. Muninn, meet Mr. Maller.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.01 07:54:00 - [65] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 31/10/2008 16:16:13 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Nexus Kinnon The Absolution is perfectly balanced at the moment, despite slot disparities. TBH, I'd like to see CCP keep taking that route with ship balance, it doesn't **ing matter having all ships being nice and symmetrical with their slot numbers, balance is more important. oh yeah, thats why its a good idea to keep going with their method of ignoring cs, thats ok the nighthawk doesnt neeeed a boost its fine! (<3 the feign ignorance views ccp utilize so well) Quote where I said that other CS are not in need of some love, you thick *got. Oh wait, that's right. I said the absolution was balanced. In no way did you say the other cs needed help, you simply stated that you want ccp to keep going with their method which means u are supporting ignoring all cs. Calling me names etc does nothing except to reduce ur credibility as a constructive poster, you just look even more ignorant that way. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Dangerously Cheesey GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.01 08:06:00 - [66] a
Nicholas DW Infusion. G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.01 08:17:00 - [67] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Chimii Lecto 1000 dps gank astarte? Nanosleip? Nighthawk tank? Absolutions awesome tank/gank? Damnation with links and plates? Claymore with speedlinks? Eos in a falcon squad? Vulture in a ghey suit? How about you shut up before you learn the difference between FIELD commands and FLEET commands. OP sorta brought up the NH and Sleip first.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.11.01 09:48:00 - [68] Go to test server. Stick an AB and a scrambler to a sleipnir. Watch in amazement as not a single BS can kill you unless fieldign 2 heavy neuts. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.01 10:46:00 - [69] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Go to test server. Stick an AB and a scrambler to a sleipnir. Watch in amazement as not a single BS can kill you unless fieldign 2 heavy neuts. are cruise missiles that sh*t? Well looks like hte sleip maintains top spot, and still semi-fills the role of a field command while the others will likely still suck. e.g. bs nerf means nothing for the nighthawk, as it has to fit lse and extender rigs so itll still get eaten up by bs guns, plus its missiles are getting nerfed EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Govenor Shran	Posted - 2008.11.02 00:05:00 - [70] What about MOAR commandships? Fix Field Commands so they can fit one warfare link without gimping their setup (and maybe boost their resists a bit) then create a third tier. Preferably something based on second tier 2 BC hulls, they cannot fit a command link but they give something like a 10% bonus per level to the effect of the pilots standard leadership skills. Configure them so that they can fit the kind of tank and gank that lets them square off with a battleship 1v1 purely with brute force.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.02 00:09:00 - [71] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/11/2008 00:11:29 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/11/2008 00:10:15 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Go to test server. Stick an AB and a scrambler to a sleipnir. Watch in amazement as not a single BS can kill you unless fieldign 2 heavy neuts. Good. Now try it vs two BS, etc. Yeah, solo you can stick a AB and solo fight BS. Awesome, where are you going to find these fabled solo BS post patch? Except a Dominix or Typhoon where you can't win, since 2+ heavy neuts do kill you. Now meet a tanked AF solo, you are going to eventually die, because Sleipnir has either no web or a totally shoddy tank and all he has to do is nos you for the tiny bit of cap to run a scrambler (assuming you have a neut in your final high, if you don't you're just going to get boned by the first bloke flying around a, eg, Vengeance) and take out your drones, you're dead Saying how the obviously gang-oriented CS can take on a non-neut/drone BS (which are post patch gang only tools) says fck all about its combat performance. Not to mention the awesome speed you have insures that whoever in a compatibile ship can outrange you, wins by default. A MWD-ing HAM Drake could most likely whittle you down since even with the falloff bonus, your DPS at the range is *** Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.03 02:40:00 - [72] Originally by: Govenor Shran What about MOAR commandships? Fix Field Commands so they can fit one warfare link without gimping their setup (and maybe boost their resists a bit) then create a third tier. Preferably something based on second tier 2 BC hulls, they cannot fit a command link but they give something like a 10% bonus per level to the effect of the pilots standard leadership skills. Configure them so that they can fit the kind of tank and gank that lets them square off with a battleship 1v1 purely with brute force. Although this makes sense i personally hate the drake and its looks lol. Mst ppl like it but i guesss im an individual (were alll individuals!). Tho a navy camo drake wld be nice (tho i think itd go same colour as nh) EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Zionysus	Posted - 2008.11.03 08:17:00 - [73] Originally by: BiggestT ur credibility as a constructive poster Irony ITT stop exaggerating the problems with field commands and whining in misspelt sh*tposts and maybe you will get more constructive posting in return.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.03 08:24:00 - [74] Edited by: BiggestT on 03/11/2008 08:25:12 Originally by: Zionysus Originally by: BiggestT ur credibility as a constructive poster Irony ITT stop exaggerating the problems with field commands and whining in misspelt sh*tposts and maybe you will get more constructive posting in return. I was waiting for someone who thought theyd be oh so smart and try say that its ironic. Congratulations mr. obvious. Now im left wondering why u posted with ur alt. Oh yeah probly coz ur main cant even fly cs, and u just love to troll threads without being constructive in the slightest. constructive or GTFO edit: oh and picking me up on spelling is a tactic used by ppl with no real argument. Congratulations u fit that bill nicely. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Zionysus	Posted - 2008.11.03 08:44:00 - [75] Originally by: BiggestT Edited by: BiggestT on 03/11/2008 08:25:12 Originally by: Zionysus Originally by: BiggestT ur credibility as a constructive poster Irony ITT stop exaggerating the problems with field commands and whining in misspelt sh*tposts and maybe you will get more constructive posting in return. I was waiting for someone who thought theyd be oh so smart and try say that its ironic. Congratulations mr. obvious. Now im left wondering why u posted with ur alt. Oh yeah probly coz ur main cant even fly cs, and u just love to troll threads without being constructive in the slightest. constructive or GTFO edit: oh and picking me up on spelling is a tactic used by ppl with no real argument. Congratulations u fit that bill nicely. congratulations you're still a terrible poster who's resorted to "sky is falling omg" techniques to get a largely un-needed change made to his favored playstyle. Most of the CS's are fine for what they were intended to do, the NH is pretty much fine and doesnt need a complete re-work. I post with an alt so I can be flamed for content and not ticker, so you can stfu, and gtfo, since you don't seem to have any experience in a cs, except of course losing a terribly fit NH. Maybe you should learn to fit and pilot your ships before you run to the forums crying and posting in every thread that has anything tangentially related to the race of ships you fly.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.11.03 09:13:00 - [76] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/11/2008 00:11:29 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/11/2008 00:10:15 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Go to test server. Stick an AB and a scrambler to a sleipnir. Watch in amazement as not a single BS can kill you unless fieldign 2 heavy neuts. Good. Now try it vs two BS, etc. Yeah, solo you can stick a AB and solo fight BS. Awesome, where are you going to find these fabled solo BS post patch? Except a Dominix or Typhoon where you can't win, since 2+ heavy neuts do kill you. Now meet a tanked AF solo, you are going to eventually die, because Sleipnir has either no web or a totally shoddy tank and all he has to do is nos you for the tiny bit of cap to run a scrambler (assuming you have a neut in your final high, if you don't you're just going to get boned by the first bloke flying around a, eg, Vengeance) and take out your drones, you're dead Saying how the obviously gang-oriented CS can take on a non-neut/drone BS (which are post patch gang only tools) says fck all about its combat performance. Not to mention the awesome speed you have insures that whoever in a compatibile ship can outrange you, wins by default. A MWD-ing HAM Drake could most likely whittle you down since even with the falloff bonus, your DPS at the range is *** Never underestimate the stupidity of people with too big egos. You will find still solo BS :) And I am just pointign that CS are not WEAK. They have situations where they are superior. That is the main part of being in balance ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.03 09:32:00 - [77] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/11/2008 00:11:29 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/11/2008 00:10:15 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Go to test server. Stick an AB and a scrambler to a sleipnir. Watch in amazement as not a single BS can kill you unless fieldign 2 heavy neuts. Good. Now try it vs two BS, etc. Yeah, solo you can stick a AB and solo fight BS. Awesome, where are you going to find these fabled solo BS post patch? Except a Dominix or Typhoon where you can't win, since 2+ heavy neuts do kill you. Now meet a tanked AF solo, you are going to eventually die, because Sleipnir has either no web or a totally shoddy tank and all he has to do is nos you for the tiny bit of cap to run a scrambler (assuming you have a neut in your final high, if you don't you're just going to get boned by the first bloke flying around a, eg, Vengeance) and take out your drones, you're dead Saying how the obviously gang-oriented CS can take on a non-neut/drone BS (which are post patch gang only tools) says fck all about its combat performance. Not to mention the awesome speed you have insures that whoever in a compatibile ship can outrange you, wins by default. A MWD-ing HAM Drake could most likely whittle you down since even with the falloff bonus, your DPS at the range is *** Never underestimate the stupidity of people with too big egos. You will find still solo BS :) And I am just pointign that CS are not WEAK. They have situations where they are superior. That is the main part of being in balance Bah, finding solo BS right now is not very common, and most (turret) BS soloers are not exactly idiots and will quit doing it if it proves to be completely unviable (which it is on SISI). If they don't stop right away post patch, after their turret BS gets killed by a AF/T1 cruiser/HAC they probably will. Saying you'll be able to gank a few idiots, well, you can gank idiots who fit their BS like crap right now on TQ in a CS/BC Besides, most CS, particularly for post-patch work, are not good solo ships. The Astarte, for instance, runs a huge risk of dying to a solo AF, which it cannot possibly hit, nor it has the room for neuts. Sleipnir can't nano around target anymore and cannot tackle properly either (if it wants to do stop MWD-ing targets, it has to abandon its falloff bonus and fight at under <9km, without a web, awesome really). Absolution suffers more then ever from 3 midslots, not to mention it, to stop MWD-ing ships, has to abadon range (and I would not consider 1 medium neut good enough protection vs counter-fit AFs/etc)... to be honest, I would really not solo in a CS post patch. Tier 2 BCs like the Hurricane/Drake/Myrmidon (and to some extent Harbringer) are much better suited to fighting smaller targets then CS (well, bar NH) giving them a wider engagement range and less risk of losing a 150-200M ship to a 20M AF. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Zionysus a largely un-needed change made to his favored playstyle. Most of the CS's are fine for what they were intended to do, the NH is pretty much fine and doesnt need a complete re-work. I never said a complete re-work. They need a buff and if you dont think so then you obviously dont know much. And that loss was when i first started flying around nighthawks and was unsure on exact fittings, it was only one mod off being the optimum fit, so its hardly terrible. I never came to the forums after that and whinged about it, coz it had nothing to do with the ship at all. I wldve lost it no matter what, if youd know anything about that fight (which i bet you dont) youd realise it was a massive blob, i wldve been primary no matter what and downed no matter what. Im complaining about nh and other cs now because they cant utilise their role of bc style fit with a warfare link, nothing to do with what i have and havnt done with them currently. Oh and at least i can FLY the damn things i bet youve never been near one. As a result, your posting with an alt so i cant prove it. You have no experience with them so stfu. Quote: I post with an alt so I can be flamed for content and not ticker, so you can stfu, and gtfo, fck why do ppl have to be so bitchy, really u need to learn some social skills and stop being so unfreindly or no-one will take you seriosuly. Posting with an alt proves that you dont have enough self-confidence to feel that your arguments are valid, what are you going to lose, your e-honour? lol Oh and if my posts were so terrible i think id see more ppl disagreeing with me EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Nexus Kinnon Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:43:00 - [79] Originally by: BiggestT You have no experience with them so stfu. Compared to your crazy-mad three kills of experience with them? http://killboard.pupuleohana.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=40866&view=ships_weapons Originally by: BiggestT Oh and if my posts were so terrible i think id see more ppl disagreeing with me They are bad, and people are disagreeing with them. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:04:00 - [80] Originally by: BiggestT Edited by: BiggestT on 31/10/2008 04:04:03 FFS give them some love in this next expansion. They cant do their role properly, the only one that slightly mirrors their design is the sleip and it has to downgrade its guns. Nighthawk needs more grid, fittings are just redicolous to be viable on the other 2 aswell. Damn it if Field commands get ignored AGAIN in this expansion im not gonna be a happy panda. P.S And NO, I will NOT wait post-nerf to see if they improve, they WONT, theyll still be v. avg, outperformed by bc's in cost/efficiency and stil lstruggle with fittings. Fix now plz. You do realize its very possible for an absolution to tank 5 commandships and still deal out over 500dps? I find its a great ship. Sig maker 'Foulque'
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.03 20:49:00 - [81] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 03/11/2008 20:49:15 Originally by: Lady Aja You do realize its very possible for an absolution to tank 5 commandships and still deal out over 500dps? Let's make a mental exercise of the Absolution which can tank 5 CS (which is about 4K DPS). Lows: 3x Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Core X-Type / Cormack's modified Thermic Hardener Core X-Type / Cormack's modified EM Hardener 2x Cormack's modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Mids: Cap Recharger II 2x Amarr Navy Medium Capacitor Booster [800s] Highs: 6x FMP II Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair Rigs: 2x Auxilliary Nano Pump II Booster: Strong Exile booster Implants: armoured warfare mindlink + 5% rep speed + 5% rep amount Oh, **, it does get 4032 DPS tank. **, where do you fly with all this? ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.11.03 21:10:00 - [82] maybe by 5 commandships he was talking about 5 assault launcher fitted Nighthawks with 5x SPR's in the lows. Anyways, I loved the suggestion someone else made in another thread a month or two ago. Field Commandships gets a bonus that reduces the effect of E-war (E-war being Tracking Disruptors, ECM, Sensor Damps, and Target Painting.) If they are meant for small gang warfare, why not give them bonuses to defend against the things that hamper small gang warfare the most (E-war) The actual amount of reduction would be a matter of balance Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
phanthom chancer	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Rick Rothsar Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson which tech 1 cruiser has more slots than a HAC? Hello, Ms. Muninn, meet Mr. Maller. 7+3+5 = 15 6+3+6= 15 or, no. =) P.S. Calvin and Hobbes = greatness
Fon Revedhort Aeria Gloris Inc Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.11.03 22:57:00 - [84] Originally by: Cpt Branko ... Why argue with Achuras? Once they will tell you cap booster on missions is stupid, then the CS are fine and able to tank 5 other CS. Evidently trolling. ---
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.03 23:07:00 - [85] Originally by: Fon Revedhort Originally by: Cpt Branko ... Why argue with Achuras? Once they will tell you cap booster on missions is stupid, then the CS are fine and able to tank 5 other CS. Evidently trolling. Well, he is right, it can tank 5 CS Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.04 04:36:00 - [86] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: BiggestT You have no experience with them so stfu. Compared to your crazy-mad three kills of experience with them? http://killboard.pupuleohana.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=40866&view=ships_weapons Originally by: BiggestT Oh and if my posts were so terrible i think id see more ppl disagreeing with me They are bad, and people are disagreeing with them. You're delusional if you think otherwise. Hmm i think you and one other person, mostly its all agreement on the need for a cs bosot, esp. the nh. And yeah i stopped flying them around coz a bc does it much better, and flying a cs around in maxage is a tad silly. Oh and i dont see you posting any kills so me > you EVE history Missiles post-nerf
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.04 11:31:00 - [87] Edited by: BiggestT on 04/11/2008 11:31:44 Originally by: Last Wolf maybe by 5 commandships he was talking about 5 assault launcher fitted Nighthawks with 5x SPR's in the lows. Anyways, I loved the suggestion someone else made in another thread a month or two ago. Field Commandships gets a bonus that reduces the effect of E-war (E-war being Tracking Disruptors, ECM, Sensor Damps, and Target Painting.) If they are meant for small gang warfare, why not give them bonuses to defend against the things that hamper small gang warfare the most (E-war) The actual amount of reduction would be a matter of balance While i like this idea, it doesnt have much synergy with the Field-CS role. Unless of course they just booted that role, and left it to Fleet command which do it better. This gives field cs a new role of anti-ewar and perhaps change name + place them in a diff. ship class with tier 2 hulls... But why not just make a new ship class for that anyway? IMO Fixing field cs to do their role properly wld be the best step.. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Night-Stalkers	Posted - 2008.11.04 17:30:00 - [88] Originally by: BiggestT Edited by: BiggestT on 04/11/2008 11:31:44 Originally by: Last Wolf maybe by 5 commandships he was talking about 5 assault launcher fitted Nighthawks with 5x SPR's in the lows. Anyways, I loved the suggestion someone else made in another thread a month or two ago. Field Commandships gets a bonus that reduces the effect of E-war (E-war being Tracking Disruptors, ECM, Sensor Damps, and Target Painting.) If they are meant for small gang warfare, why not give them bonuses to defend against the things that hamper small gang warfare the most (E-war) The actual amount of reduction would be a matter of balance While i like this idea, it doesnt have much synergy with the Field-CS role. Unless of course they just booted that role, and left it to Fleet command which do it better. This gives field cs a new role of anti-ewar and perhaps change name + place them in a diff. ship class with tier 2 hulls... But why not just make a new ship class for that anyway? IMO Fixing field cs to do their role properly wld be the best step.. if they were to be moved to another class requirign differente skills, i would need an SP reimbursement, along with many other ppl methinks. i dont ever want to fly a damnation. --------------------------------------------- I may be a bit over Zealot, but i cant help myself, its the best investment i ever made!
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:38:00 - [89] Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson Originally by: BiggestT Edited by: BiggestT on 04/11/2008 11:31:44 Originally by: Last Wolf maybe by 5 commandships he was talking about 5 assault launcher fitted Nighthawks with 5x SPR's in the lows. Anyways, I loved the suggestion someone else made in another thread a month or two ago. Field Commandships gets a bonus that reduces the effect of E-war (E-war being Tracking Disruptors, ECM, Sensor Damps, and Target Painting.) If they are meant for small gang warfare, why not give them bonuses to defend against the things that hamper small gang warfare the most (E-war) The actual amount of reduction would be a matter of balance While i like this idea, it doesnt have much synergy with the Field-CS role. Unless of course they just booted that role, and left it to Fleet command which do it better. This gives field cs a new role of anti-ewar and perhaps change name + place them in a diff. ship class with tier 2 hulls... But why not just make a new ship class for that anyway? IMO Fixing field cs to do their role properly wld be the best step.. if they were to be moved to another class requirign differente skills, i would need an SP reimbursement, along with many other ppl methinks. i dont ever want to fly a damnation. Hmm, true..emphasising the need to give CS aboost to fit links properly, and simply introduce another class for that role.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.05 13:19:00 - [90] Originally by: Lady Aja Originally by: BiggestT Edited by: BiggestT on 31/10/2008 04:04:03 FFS give them some love in this next expansion. They cant do their role properly, the only one that slightly mirrors their design is the sleip and it has to downgrade its guns. Nighthawk needs more grid, fittings are just redicolous to be viable on the other 2 aswell. Damn it if Field commands get ignored AGAIN in this expansion im not gonna be a happy panda. P.S And NO, I will NOT wait post-nerf to see if they improve, they WONT, theyll still be v. avg, outperformed by bc's in cost/efficiency and stil lstruggle with fittings. Fix now plz. You do realize its very possible for an absolution to tank 5 commandships and still deal out over 500dps? I find its a great ship. Yes, but does it have a warfare link? If not than u may aswell fly a bc: does the same thing, a little worse, but for much cheaper. EVE history Missiles post-nerf

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