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BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.30 12:43:00 - [1] FFS give them some love in this next expansion. They cant do their role properly, the only one that slightly mirrors their design is the sleip and it has to downgrade its guns. Nighthawk needs more grid, fittings are just redicolous to be viable on the other 2 aswell. Damn it if Field commands get ignored AGAIN in this expansion im not gonna be a happy panda. P.S And NO, I will NOT wait post-nerf to see if they improve, they WONT, theyll still be v. avg, outperformed by bc's in cost/efficiency and stil lstruggle with fittings. Fix now plz. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Chimii Lecto	Posted - 2008.10.30 13:03:00 - [2] Shut up.
Iguanoid	Posted - 2008.10.30 13:12:00 - [3] shut up is a bit harsh. They could use some love to bring them in line with their original position on the playing field beofre the development of the drake and its other races counterparts. If the ferox saw a boost to bring it up a little to meet the drakes performance, then the vastly more expensive t2 versions hould see a little love before they become museum pieces.
Chimii Lecto	Posted - 2008.10.30 13:25:00 - [4] 1000 dps gank astarte? Nanosleip? Nighthawk tank? Absolutions awesome tank/gank? Damnation with links and plates? Claymore with speedlinks? Eos in a falcon squad? Vulture in a ghey suit?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.30 13:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Chimii Lecto 1000 dps gank astarte? Nanosleip? Nighthawk tank? Absolutions awesome tank/gank? Damnation with links and plates? Claymore with speedlinks? Eos in a falcon squad? Vulture in a ghey suit? How about you shut up before you learn the difference between FIELD commands and FLEET commands. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Lelulie Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.30 13:47:00 - [6] COMMANDSALREADY ------------------------------------
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.10.30 14:16:00 - [7] Agreed, looked at maybe flying sleip after patch, I'm not going to bother. Not alot of firepower. Not all that great of an improvement tank wise. I think I'll just stick to my good ol' rupture.
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.10.30 14:28:00 - [8] CS are 50% more cost then hacs (usually 120M vs 80M). They are usually way better then 50% imo. They are quite balanced imo, I fly Abso and Sleip, and I have buddies that fly Astarte. Nighthawk does small glaring PG issues, but that's a fix needed there, not a whole class rebalance. What do people want out of thease ships? They already pwn alot of battleships when flow and kitted correctly. What do you expect from them in the end? /Riv
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.10.30 14:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Chimii Lecto 1000 dps gank astarte? Nanosleip? Nighthawk tank? Absolutions awesome tank/gank? Damnation with links and plates? Claymore with speedlinks? Eos in a falcon squad? Vulture in a ghey suit? Nanosleip thats soon to be nerfed? Nighthawk with a 'slightly' better drake tank? Astarte having less dps as a mega, with similar agility (with plates) and not insurable? Absolution...well..its Amarr...nuff said! They need a boost, to make them more varied in eve. Heck, maybe not a boost, but atleast a change. To make them stand out and be fielded (no pun intended) more than their t1 variants.
Yoko Lee Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.30 14:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Chimii Lecto 1000 dps gank astarte? Nanosleip? Nighthawk tank? Absolutions awesome tank/gank? Damnation with links and plates? Claymore with speedlinks? Eos in a falcon squad? Vulture in a ghey suit? Nanosleip thats soon to be nerfed? Nighthawk with a 'slightly' better drake tank? Astarte having less dps as a mega, with similar agility (with plates) and not insurable? Absolution...well..its Amarr...nuff said! They need a boost, to make them more varied in eve. Heck, maybe not a boost, but atleast a change. To make them stand out and be fielded (no pun intended) more than their t1 variants. and cs easy to jam with hornet ecm drone ! (abso just 3 med slot can't fit eccm for example)
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.10.30 14:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Chimii Lecto 1000 dps gank astarte? Nanosleip? Nighthawk tank? Absolutions awesome tank/gank? Damnation with links and plates? Claymore with speedlinks? Eos in a falcon squad? Vulture in a ghey suit? Nanosleip thats soon to be nerfed? Nighthawk with a 'slightly' better drake tank? Astarte having less dps as a mega, with similar agility (with plates) and not insurable? Absolution...well..its Amarr...nuff said! They need a boost, to make them more varied in eve. Heck, maybe not a boost, but atleast a change. To make them stand out and be fielded (no pun intended) more than their t1 variants. But they are not supposed to be more common then their T1 variants, now are they? I would reckon on their positioning, that you should encounter a CS in every 75-100 ships. They are the pimp ship, that require alot of player skill to pilot well, that grow very well with good gear, and have a wide array of targets they can be used against. They can be used as solo ships, or as the hammer in a T1/HAC gang, that also has frigs and inties and as. never should they be more common then their T1 breathren, or the battleships. /Riv
Fafnir Drake Gallente Boob Heads Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.30 15:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Waxau Absolution...well..its Amarr...nuff said! Pfh. Ammar is doing pretty well right now. They're a solid race choice. Pulses got tracking buffed and are now the ultimate at mid range combat, doing pretty good damage, while keeping decent range and excellent tracking. Then the nerf that lowered armor EM resists 10% (and shield explosive resists 10%) made armor take more EM damage, especially Omni-tanks. Most Armor tanks neglect EM resists somewhat, so it often turns out that EM is often one of the weaker, or weakest resists. So, overall: Some Ammar ships have some problems, but overall they're in pretty good shape, with a nice niche in combat. Minmie Pilot: "Duct Tape aside, I can run circles around ya!" Gallente Pilot: "Come closer, my friend, and we'll see if it does you much good." Ammar Pilot: "Don't really care what range you're at, you'll melt just the same." Caldari Pilot: "STFU, in a mission, idiots." ------ "Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure."
fivetide humidyear Gallente EXCESS10N	Posted - 2008.10.30 15:20:00 - [13] Originally by: BiggestT They cant do their role properly, the only one that slightly mirrors their design is the sleip and it has to downgrade its guns. P.S And NO, I will NOT wait post-nerf to see if they improve, they WONT, theyll still be v. avg, outperformed by bc's in cost/efficiency and stil lstruggle with fittings. Fix now plz. sleip can comfortably run a 4:3 mix of 220's and 425 II's, the drop in dps from 425 to 220 is pretty minimal (<5%?) with a ganglink an abso can run a ganglink in a small gang for minimal effort on fitting and a litle faction loving (amarr navy eanm's) with a full rack of heavy pulse II and a 1600mm plate nighthawk needs a grid boost, no question there and astarte needs a general gallente boost. As for cost efficiency, no t2 ship stacks up well against it's t1 counterpart or the class above it. BC's and commands are close i guess because of the overall excellence of the tier 2 BC's. a command ship up against a BS suffers in terms of cap, and range and as everyone does heavy neuts. maybe CS need a cap bonus? or a role bonus to reduce PG on gang mods?
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.10.30 15:22:00 - [14] Originally by: BiggestT theyll still be v. avg, outperformed by bc's in cost/efficiency and stil lstruggle with fittings. Fix now plz. SHIPS ARE NOT BALANCED BASED ON COST. honestly how many times do people have to be told ffs? ;) Dark Materials Linkage
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.10.30 15:50:00 - [15] Originally by: NeoTheo Originally by: BiggestT theyll still be v. avg, outperformed by bc's in cost/efficiency and stil lstruggle with fittings. Fix now plz. SHIPS ARE NOT BALANCED BASED ON COST. honestly how many times do people have to be told ffs? ;) And not looking at cost, CS are awesome ships. I think they are great just as they are. NH needs a grid fix, but even without it, they are all very awesome ships. No touch please. And beside that, you just don't know what you'll get after they go through the meatgrinder :) /Riv
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Night-Stalkers	Posted - 2008.10.30 16:04:00 - [16] Actually i would like the abso to have a 7th turret slot, a little more grid to fit it, and a little more powerful cap. then it would b perfect. no, i dont want to pvp with it. --------------------------------------------- I may be a bit over Zealot, but i cant help myself, its the best investment i ever made!
Fistme	Posted - 2008.10.30 16:29:00 - [17] Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson Actually i would like the abso to have a 7th turret slot, a little more grid to fit it, and a little more powerful cap. then it would b perfect. no, i dont want to pvp with it. Why not remove the astarte from the game while your at it? Imho the abso is one of the more efficient commands on TQ. It has a mean tank, and can bring decent firepower to decent ranges allowing it to eat nanos. Compare the dps difference of a 7 turret abso with an Astarte and the already very small niche the astarte fills would become pointless...
Yoko Lee Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.30 16:29:00 - [18] Edited by: Yoko Lee on 30/10/2008 16:29:42 Originally by: InsanlyEvlPerson Actually i would like the abso to have a 7th turret slot, a little more grid to fit it, and a little more powerful cap. then it would b perfect. no, i dont want to pvp with it. dont need 7 turret, 6 is enough honestly, i will prefer 4 med slot and 6 high slot :) But a ship can't be perfect, better like that. (just nerf ecm drone)
Fon Revedhort Aeria Gloris Inc Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.30 16:32:00 - [19] Zulupart told us CS and GAMs are fine as is How can't this be true?? You've got to be kidding, right? ---
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.10.30 16:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Fafnir Drake Originally by: Waxau Absolution...well..its Amarr...nuff said! Pfh. Ammar is doing pretty well right now. They're a solid race choice. Pulses got tracking buffed and are now the ultimate at mid range combat, doing pretty good damage, while keeping decent range and excellent tracking. Then the nerf that lowered armor EM resists 10% (and shield explosive resists 10%) made armor take more EM damage, especially Omni-tanks. Most Armor tanks neglect EM resists somewhat, so it often turns out that EM is often one of the weaker, or weakest resists. So, overall: Some Ammar ships have some problems, but overall they're in pretty good shape, with a nice niche in combat. Minmie Pilot: "Duct Tape aside, I can run circles around ya!" Gallente Pilot: "Come closer, my friend, and we'll see if it does you much good." Ammar Pilot: "Don't really care what range you're at, you'll melt just the same." Caldari Pilot: "STFU, in a mission, idiots." My apologies...that was actually my point. However, can see how you thought otherwise :) Tis a complete reverse from the start of the year :D
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2008.10.30 21:19:00 - [21] I agree, command ships need a boost. In my opinion they need +1 slot (med slot preferred i think), and especially be given more fitting specs -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Foulque	Posted - 2008.10.30 22:21:00 - [22] I thought the Nighthawk got a fitting boost on the current sisi build, I dont really bother with sisi but maybe check it out.
Removal Tool Reptilian Reality	Posted - 2008.10.30 22:58:00 - [23] Boost the Scan Res and lower the Sig Radius. Thank you.
Rob Z0mbie	Posted - 2008.10.31 00:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Removal Tool Boost the Scan Res and lower the Sig Radius. Thank you. this other than that, 15 days till commandships lvl 5 \(o.0)/
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.31 04:02:00 - [25] Originally by: NeoTheo Originally by: BiggestT theyll still be v. avg, outperformed by bc's in cost/efficiency and stil lstruggle with fittings. Fix now plz. SHIPS ARE NOT BALANCED BASED ON COST. honestly how many times do people have to be told ffs? ;) You dont know much about balance then. Lets say ccp raise the cost of BS's to 3 bill. You dont reckon players wil lbe annoyed that their bs has no changed performance and costs 3 times more than a carrier? U think theyll want a boost to BALANCE the cost compared to the ships usefulness? They will so cost is def. part of balance. AND it has been done before, scorps cost was reduced in the early days for BALANCE AND to the ppl saying F-CS are fine, i highly doubt u use it other than for misisoning and thinks its great as a result. TRY fitting a warfarelink (ITS DESIGNED FOR IT) and having a setup which is actually viable and not outdone by a BC. Sleip is hte only one semi-capable of this, but it has to use the smallest guns. Seems a little silly considering their "combat design" EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.10.31 04:18:00 - [26] Try fitting a Gang-link on anything other than a fleet-command. (Myrmidon doesn't count, it doesn't have to fit guns, therefore it cheats) __________________________________________________________ Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.10.31 04:22:00 - [27] I think you'll see more people in Field Command Ships post patch as they can perform well against a wider variety of targets than battleships. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.31 04:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Last Wolf Try fitting a Gang-link on anything other than a fleet-command. (Myrmidon doesn't count, it doesn't have to fit guns, therefore it cheats) Ahh but the only point in flying a field command is to give good combat ability + bonus. Else your just a pimped bc, that costs too much, barely out performs its t1 rivals and always gets primaried. IMO what they need to do.. a) reduce cost: their should be more incentive to fly them over hacs b) buff fitting: having to put fitting mods on my nighthawk just to fit a proper tank and launchers is incredibly lame considering the drake needs none. c) reduce fitting needs for warfare links for field commands so they can fit with a decent setup. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.10.31 04:38:00 - [29] tbh I don't understand why Gang links aren't just a 1pg module. It already has the 5000cpu drawback so anything that isn't supposed to fit them isn't going to be able to. __________________________________________________________ Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.31 04:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Last Wolf tbh I don't understand why Gang links aren't just a 1pg module. It already has the 5000cpu drawback so anything that isn't supposed to fit them isn't going to be able to. becoz ccp hate all men EVE history Missiles post-nerf

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