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Vultirnus
Atlantic Evolution
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:49:00 -
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Dear Capsuleers Who Know A Lot More Than Me,
I am faced with a dilemma.
I love the Pilgrim. I love cloaky ships, and I love the fact that it is a drone boat. I currently reside in a WH but spend a lot of my time cruising through our lo-sec connections looking for little fights against frigates and cruisers ratting. On paper the Pilgrim looked like a ship that could handle that very well, so long as I picked my targets very carefully.
The problem as I see it (after having flown this around for a while now) is as follows:
- It is slow, VERY slow. I have a hard time getting the jump on frigates in a belt without them warping away.
- It is a seriously expensive ship to just fight frigates in
I have begun looking at other ships that might be able to facilitate my lo-sec needs. I'm still pretty new to pvp and would like to start engaging cruisers more often when I can find them. I'm currently in the thinking of fitting a Punisher or AF and forgoing the cloak all together, but wanted the pro's opinions on the matter.
Thanks in advance for any advice!
P.S. I only fly Amarr hulls
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:03:00 -
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Vaga.... Oh you dont want to train other stuff...
How are you not keeping frigs down?
Scamble, web neut... drones... Also you cloak on top of them...
In which case head to a hack or a BC if you want bigger prey. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
59
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:09:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:How are you not keeping frigs down?
Because a Pilgrim has to wait six seconds before even starting to lock a target, and frigates generally have align times much less than six seconds. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:14:00 -
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touche... |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Flatline.
66
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:51:00 -
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The pilgrim can engage much, much more than frigates. You can engage just about any turret boat in 1v1 and have a very good chance of winning. You can gank just about anything with an active tank. Some examples:
Maelstrom: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15035733
Active Tanked Tengu: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14385870
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:53:00 -
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Go Curse or Vagabond... great ships for solo pvp (real pvp). |
Vultirnus
Atlantic Evolution
13
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:57:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:Vaga.... Oh you dont want to train other stuff...
How are you not keeping frigs down?
Scamble, web neut... drones... Also you cloak on top of them...
In which case head to a hack or a BC if you want bigger prey.
Yeah the 6 second timer can make locking someone who is on their toes difficult.
I'm aware the nuets are great for chewing through active tankers, but is there a way to tell if they are actively tanking before engaging? Looking for the shield of armor reps or something?
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed |
BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
30
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Posted - 2012.04.03 18:12:00 -
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Vultirnus wrote:Kattshiro wrote:Vaga.... Oh you dont want to train other stuff...
How are you not keeping frigs down?
Scamble, web neut... drones... Also you cloak on top of them...
In which case head to a hack or a BC if you want bigger prey. Yeah the 6 second timer can make locking someone who is on their toes difficult. I'm aware the nuets are great for chewing through active tankers, but is there a way to tell if they are actively tanking before engaging? Looking for the shield of armor reps or something?
I belive it "glows" like a halo around the ship if they are active tanking and have shields hardners running
Lt. Colonel
of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General
of The Gallente Federation |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
120
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Posted - 2012.04.03 18:32:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Vultirnus wrote:Kattshiro wrote:Vaga.... Oh you dont want to train other stuff...
How are you not keeping frigs down?
Scamble, web neut... drones... Also you cloak on top of them...
In which case head to a hack or a BC if you want bigger prey. Yeah the 6 second timer can make locking someone who is on their toes difficult. I'm aware the nuets are great for chewing through active tankers, but is there a way to tell if they are actively tanking before engaging? Looking for the shield of armor reps or something? I belive it "glows" like a halo around the ship if they are active tanking and have shields hardners running
Hardeners are only a constant shimmer, while a shield booster is more periodically and a very clear flash.
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Ravenesa
The Bastards
The Bastards.
22
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:29:00 -
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Vultirnus wrote: [list=1 It is slow, VERY slow. I have a hard time getting the jump on frigates in a belt without them warping away It is a seriously expensive ship to just fight frigates i [/list P.S. I only fly Amarr hull
I'm guessing your Pilgrim lacks an Expanded Probe Launcher? The Pilgrim is very good at attacking missioners, plex runners, and larger ships. Smaller ships are the bane of the Pilgrim for the above mentioned problems plus unbonused neut range. It excels at killing other cruisers, HAC's, Battlecruise hulls, and Battleship hulls. You just need the patience for it.
The Pulse Crusader can make for a good ship to fight T1 frigs in
For the T1 frigs the Bleeding Punisher, aka AC and NOS instead of Pulse is good too. The Vengence version isn't so bad, but gets outclassed by other AF's
And the standard Arby hull is both cheap and effective. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1444
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:34:00 -
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Use a tanked rocket bomber for sneaking up on frigates. Yes, really. Use a torp bomber for rocking BCs. The Pilgrim should do well against cruisers and turret battleships.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1444
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:35:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:
Hardeners are only a constant shimmer, while a shield booster is more periodically and a very clear flash.
Boosters also sound different. A very distinctive and periodic "HUM HUM" sound
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Skelee VI
Wraithguard.
6
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:37:00 -
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If you like the covert ops thing. You could do it in a legion!
If its frigs you are after thorax! |
Vultirnus
Atlantic Evolution
13
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:56:00 -
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Skelee VI wrote:If you like the covert ops thing. You could do it in a legion!
If its frigs you are after thorax!
Yes I can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim, why not jump into a Legion.
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed |
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:33:00 -
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If you can't afford to lose a pilgrim, don't fly it.
I'ld recommend the arbitrator. Very similar to a pilgrim (except for the bonused neuts and cloak) but you can afford to be a helluva lot more aggressive. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.04.03 21:10:00 -
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That or you need a partner.
Cost wise the next best thing is BC. Also neuts are good for capping out people using MWD, and any weapon system that uses energy == no fire back no speed, no warp. |
Ravenesa
The Bastards
The Bastards.
22
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Posted - 2012.04.03 21:22:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:That or you need a partner.
Cost wise the next best thing is BC. Also neuts are good for capping out people using MWD, and any weapon system that uses energy == no fire back no speed, no warp.
What a Pilgrim can do to a Harbinger should be a crime... GCC for Everybody! |
Andrea Griffin
223
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Posted - 2012.04.03 21:24:00 -
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The problem with the Pilgrim is that the DPS is pretty low. You won't kill anything quickly. Stay away from Drakes.
CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Vultirnus
Atlantic Evolution
13
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Posted - 2012.04.03 21:24:00 -
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Thank you all for the feedback. I have a much better grasp of my options now.
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed |
Caldari Citizen 786478786
98
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Posted - 2012.04.04 00:00:00 -
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Vultirnus wrote:Yes I can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim, why not jump into a Legion.
In your original post you mentioned that you live in a WH and yet you can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim? You, my friend, are doing something very, very wrong.
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Malcorath Sacerdos
Deep Space Equinox
19
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Posted - 2012.04.04 06:02:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Vultirnus wrote:Yes I can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim, why not jump into a Legion. In your original post you mentioned that you live in a WH and yet you can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim? You, my friend, are doing something very, very wrong.
yes he is pvping in LS instead of killing sleepers in WH |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
167
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Posted - 2012.04.04 06:32:00 -
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OK hears what you do, rig it for lock time. Then you creep to target and book mark and warp to a near buy spot. then you warp back and one you start to slow down THEN drop your cloak. you sould drop out of warp un cloaked and able to make a grab at them
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:11:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:OK hears what you do, rig it for lock time. Then you creep to target and book mark and warp to a near buy spot. then you warp back and one you start to slow down THEN drop your cloak. you sould drop out of warp un cloaked and able to make a grab at them
You can also uncloak by bumping them. They'll need to realign which gives you some extra time to lock. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
168
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:39:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:OK hears what you do, rig it for lock time. Then you creep to target and book mark and warp to a near buy spot. then you warp back and one you start to slow down THEN drop your cloak. you sould drop out of warp un cloaked and able to make a grab at them You can also uncloak by bumping them. They'll need to realign which gives you some extra time to lock.
witch is also good and close for the pillipants!! i love it going to us ethat as soon as i can.
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
284
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:44:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Tobiaz wrote:
Hardeners are only a constant shimmer, while a shield booster is more periodically and a very clear flash.
Boosters also sound different. A very distinctive and periodic "HUM HUM" sound -Liang
EVE has sound? Unpossible! |
Vultirnus
Atlantic Evolution
13
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:42:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Vultirnus wrote:Yes I can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim, why not jump into a Legion. In your original post you mentioned that you live in a WH and yet you can barely afford to lose a Pilgrim? You, my friend, are doing something very, very wrong.
I personally have no money, our corp operates as a commune style. I can replace any ship I lose easily with corp coffers but I don't want to backrupt the corp...if I can help it at least.
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed |
Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation
Transmission Lost
18
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:26:00 -
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skill covert ops to 5 and you have only 5 sec delay |
Tabernack en Chasteaux
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:24:00 -
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Maggeridon Thoraz wrote:skill covert ops to 5 and you have only 5 sec delay
I think you mean "Cloaking"
Also, you could use these. |
Vultirnus
Atlantic Evolution
13
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:31:00 -
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Tabernack en Chasteaux wrote:Maggeridon Thoraz wrote:skill covert ops to 5 and you have only 5 sec delay I think you mean "Cloaking" Also, you could use these.
Interesting. It's a small bonus to time for the loss of a rig slot though.
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed |
Tabernack en Chasteaux
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:26:00 -
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Vultirnus wrote:Tabernack en Chasteaux wrote:Maggeridon Thoraz wrote:skill covert ops to 5 and you have only 5 sec delay Also, you could use these. Interesting. It's a small bonus to time for the loss of a rig slot though.
Yep. Generally I've found them to not be worth it, but the option is there. |
Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
28
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:31:00 -
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If you are hunting frigates in low sec your best bet is to stick to a frigate. Most low sec frigate pvp is more or less "consensual". It is difficult to catch a half competent frigate pilot completely off guard. Of all the frigate fights I've had in low sec less than a handful have been engagements I didn't want to get into.
If you want to fly amarr the punisher, crusader, malediction, vengeance, retribution and slicer are all great options. I have even had great success with the coercer.
If drone boats are your thing fly the ishkur.
A good frigate pilot can often get the upper hand on cruisers. The vengeance excels at this. |
welsh wizard
Celestial Fish Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:37:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Kattshiro wrote:How are you not keeping frigs down? Because a Pilgrim has to wait six seconds before even starting to lock a target, and frigates generally have align times much less than six seconds.
Um I've been away for some time (almost 4 years) so my memory might be a bit dodgy... But I'm sure it didn't use to take that long for my uncloaking pilgrim/rapier/falcon to 'start' locking something when I last played? Were cloaky ships nerfed in that respect?
Ta |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1457
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:39:00 -
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welsh wizard wrote:Merin Ryskin wrote:Kattshiro wrote:How are you not keeping frigs down? Because a Pilgrim has to wait six seconds before even starting to lock a target, and frigates generally have align times much less than six seconds. Um I've been away for some time (almost 4 years) so my memory might be a bit dodgy... But I'm sure it didn't use to take that long for my uncloaking pilgrim/rapier/falcon to 'start' locking something when I last played? Were cloaky ships nerfed in that respect? Ta
It takes quite a while and always has. Certain ships (like bombers) have no cloak targeting delay.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Torothin
Wrecking Shots
Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:59:00 -
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Go with a Curse. You already have the required skills so why not take the plunge? |
Vultirnus
Atlantic Evolution
13
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:51:00 -
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Torothin wrote:Go with a Curse. You already have the required skills so why not take the plunge?
I like sneaking...
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed |
Syrias Bizniz
Dei Mudda GmbH
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:03:00 -
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You should definately put some smartbombs on that pilgrim. Sneak up, start the dance and have some fun. Works perfect in my EFT. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
168
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Posted - 2012.04.05 04:41:00 -
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I use the rigs that give that boost lock time, not delay after cloak.
I also dont use TD's i use one web, and 2 cap bosters, 3 med T2 nuet's and duel rep.
so far its been fun, I use a more standered fit for null with the TD's and a 800 plate so im not so ez to alpha.
But so far in low sec (well black rise at least) the TD has done me no good and some times the nano stuff can get a way so i put the web on. Think i got only one kill with it so far but im working on that.
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Crellion
Parental Control
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:48:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Kattshiro wrote:How are you not keeping frigs down? Because a Pilgrim has to wait six seconds before even starting to lock a target, and frigates generally have align times much less than six seconds.
The partial fix is to decloak in warp after 5% deegree scan hit when you have seen them warp from belt to belt...
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