Edit your post dude


This means that the Everyone in General Discussion will be going to jail as there is nothing but trolls here


Although if they created a jail for Eve online users and we could play EVE in our cells i dont think that most of the basement dwellers that make up the EVE community would mind all that much.


They are living without women anyway

****. My. Life. Wait, I live in Virginia? Dodged a bul-

US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place.

If this is true, and it is not itself some sort of troll, then I could not see how this could be prosecuted without being subjected to appeal. Trolling in itself is subjective, and in a fine line case, would cause difficulties in the distinction of being properly interpreted, because everyone's tastes are different. What some people find distasteful others don't. The EvE community itself is a test case for the different attitudes towards whats offensive and what's not. I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court, and eventually being over turned due to constitutional issues.

Trolling wasn't mentioned in the bill. It's in the headline. A guy spray painting fascist symbols on a synogogue wouldn't find it objectionable. The ones offended would. Guess who the courts listen to? The EVE community isn't a dichotomy of real society. And, if you think this Supreme Court would overturn a law like this, you don't know THIS Supreme Court.

There's a lot of wishful thinking going on here. RE: another post. No lawyer worth his salt would bother taking a "trolling on the internet" case. And, as I said before, if you think the country you're in has no laws like this, you're very mistaken.

Lol, I just finished reading that. America, gotta love it. all this "cyber-bullying" what a F**ing joke. kids these days need to HTFU so we don't have retarted laws like this wasting tax payers time and moeny.

US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place.

I will gladly allow this law to pass if it applies to the the old media. This way, everytime I am ''annoyed'' at Fox News, for example, they go to jail and pay a fine.

"Ignorance of the law excuses no one." (Ignorantia juris non excusat)

It's already against the law to do such things listed in that law in person or through any other media. That the internet isn't included is yet another feature of its newness. I believe there are people who would communicate such things as are listed in that bill, but I find it hard to believe civil people would object to the fact there are repercussions to those who do. In fact, I'd think it's comforting to know our civility is backed by legality; conversely, incivility is not.

Obviously, EVE attracts more than its share of people who wish to engage in such behavior. The "you can do what you want and not get in trouble" feature exists here to a large extent, but don't overlook the "and not get in trouble" part of that phrase. It infers if you do this stuff anywhere else you WILL get in trouble. If this were not well-known, you wouldn't find these sorts of people seeking refuge from the consequences of their actions here.

The "hip to the jive" publication you link to chose the word "Troll" for its headline. We still argue here about what trolling actually is, and you know that. Too bad the age old Henny Penny behavior isn't illegal; taking a leaf falling on your head to mean the sky is falling, then running around terrifying everyone else about it. You know. Like your post here.

I've always marvelled (awesome, dude) at how the ill-behaved ilk in our culture viewed the internet as a place they could practice their sordid behavior and be above social reproach, and the law. Now, it's just become funny how they're outraged that the law is finally catching up to them. They suddenly want things to be FAIR. How dumb is that?

See the thing is, on most forums and FB stuff, theirs this little function called block, people need to learn to use it. America is turning into the land of ****** that need to have their hands held. And this sickens me. We dont need more of these bills being pushed through that are just a huge waste of time and money.

I don't follow the logic. Bullying is not allowed in your schools. The rules of that community are enforced by the teachers and principals of the schools. So in this new community called the internet, who else but the government can enforce the same anit-harassment laws?

While in general I would agree that most people should HTFU, but if that means more snarky cynical crass douchebags on forums, then I'd rather them not.

You have to do a little more research there guy, as those laws don't do what you think they do. Verbal abuse is not regulated by any law. I can cuss you out all day long and when u swing and hit me, you go to jail and I laugh at you. What you can do is get a restraining order which again doesn't limit the speech, but limits behavior deemed to cause physical violence.

Bullying does not occur between adults as we are expected to take it or walk away. Children on the other hand do not have the option to walk away in most situations. This is the philosophy applied to harassing phone calls not the above mentioned.

Lol, I just finished reading that. America, gotta love it. all this "cyber-bullying" what a F**ing joke. kids these days need to HTFU so we don't have retarted laws like this wasting tax payers time and moeny.

Edit your post dude


This means that the Everyone in General Discussion will be going to jail as there is nothing but trolls here


Although if they created a jail for Eve online users and we could play EVE in our cells i dont think that most of the basement dwellers that make up the EVE community would mind all that much.


They are living without women anyway

Enjoy the game.

"Ignorance of the law excuses no one." (Ignorantia juris non excusat)

It's already against the law to do such things listed in that law in person or through any other media. That the internet isn't included is yet another feature of its newness. I believe there are people who would communicate such things as are listed in that bill, but I find it hard to believe civil people would object to the fact there are repercussions to those who do. In fact, I'd think it's comforting to know our civility is backed by legality; conversely, incivility is not.

Obviously, EVE attracts more than its share of people who wish to engage in such behavior. The "you can do what you want and not get in trouble" feature exists here to a large extent, but don't overlook the "and not get in trouble" part of that phrase. It infers if you do this stuff anywhere else you WILL get in trouble. If this were not well-known, you wouldn't find these sorts of people seeking refuge from the consequences of their actions here.

The "hip to the jive" publication you link to chose the word "Troll" for its headline. We still argue here about what trolling actually is, and you know that. Too bad the age old Henny Penny behavior isn't illegal; taking a leaf falling on your head to mean the sky is falling, then running around terrifying everyone else about it. You know. Like your post here.

I've always marvelled (awesome, dude) at how the ill-behaved ilk in our culture viewed the internet as a place they could practice their sordid behavior and be above social reproach, and the law. Now, it's just become funny how they're outraged that the law is finally catching up to them. They suddenly want things to be FAIR. How dumb is that?

These arguments I find the most humorous. America has been turning into (fill in the blank) for the past 50 years. Talk to my grand parents you'll find it's been turning into (fill in the blank) for the previous 50 years! I've been waiting half a century now for it to turn into the one or the other. Any idea when this is going to happen? I can hear my grandson now, "You know, if it wasn't for (all the people I disagree with), America would be perfect! These (fill in the blank) are turning it into (fill in the blank.)"

Too funny. Get a clue.

You have to do a little more research there guy, as those laws don't do what you think they do. Verbal abuse is not regulated by any law. I can cuss you out all day long and when u swing and hit me, you go to jail and I laugh at you. What you can do is get a restraining order which again doesn't limit the speech, but limits behavior deemed to cause physical violence.

Bullying does not occur between adults as we are expected to take it or walk away. Children on the other hand do not have the option to walk away in most situations. This is the philosophy applied to harassing phone calls not the above mentioned.

you mean like the money we wasted on your education?

We have a winner!

Au contraire mon ami. Au contraire. There is a thing called "offending morals". You can be arrested for offending someone's morals. All you have to do is call a cop. What you cite smacks of talking bad about your mother in a bar, taking a swing at someone and the cops arrest you both. Though, someone calling you bad names can't legally be responded to (no matter how you wish it were different) by punching them in the nose, had you called a cop and declared your morals were offended, you'd see something quite different.

Bullying? I can't believe you haven't heard of "Stand Your Ground Laws." You really need to get some air.

Nothing like Mom's Basement Lawyers.

That type of nonsense makes me so glad I do not live in the United States of America.

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/arizona-bill-could-criminalize-internet-trolling-184547052.html

I hope none of us live there really.

Trolling wasn't mentioned in the bill. It's in the headline. A guy spray painting fascist symbols on a synogogue wouldn't find it objectionable. The ones offended would. Guess who the courts listen to? The EVE community isn't a dichotomy of real society. And, if you think this Supreme Court would overturn a law like this, you don't know THIS Supreme Court.

There's a lot of wishful thinking going on here. RE: another post. No lawyer worth his salt would bother taking a "trolling on the internet" case. And, as I said before, if you think the country you're in has no laws like this, you're very mistaken.

Where do you live? I'd like to know so I'll never set foot in that place. Also, would like to see the actual "offending moral" statute you're talking about, assuming you're living in a western nation. There are so many things wrong with even the idea of such a law I don't know where to begin.

Also, do I get to call the cops on you because your post have offended my morals?

I think you misunderstand. I meant the poster was trolling with the article, not that the article explicitly is a troll.

What you are speaking about in terms of the fascist symbols constitutes a hate crime. So society in general has found this to be objectionable. I think your argument here is a fallacy because the two scenarios don't equate at all. As for the EvE not being a dichotomy, you are right. Because a dichotomy would indicate there are only two equal view points to this scenario. There are not two equal view points to this scenario, and that is because this community is a slice of many different societies consisting of different socioeconomic, cultural, and spiritual differences. With that, you can bet you will find a plethora of different view points on the enforceability of this lame law, which if you have read through the thread already this has been clearly stated. I do believe a Constitutional Lawyer will have a field day with this, and be able to convince the Supreme Court there is a 1st amendment right to being an asshat... not matter how much they don't like it.

Of course you get to call the cops. These laws were enacted to deal with nasty old demonstrators who get out of hand. Go up to a cop and call him a *mortarforker*, the real set of words there. What I can't believe is you're unaware these sorts of laws exist. There's a long country mile between what you've heard, and what's in those big thick books. People have ideas about their world that don't match up to the realities.

Where do I live? I live in a place where if I'm afraid of you I can shoot you. There's ten other places like this and seven more with such laws being passed as we toss meaningless text back and forth. The U.S. hasn't been the land of free speech ever. The facts of all this make much more interesting reading than any sci fi book.

I'm not going to do your research for you. If it actually interests you, you'll find a way. "Look it up for me and copy/paste it in here so I can say something derogatory about it." Not only is that an ungentlemanly request, it's rather lazy. "You do the work. I'll beat my chest and bray."

No lawyer worth his salt would bother taking a "trolling on the internet" case.

US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place.

I wouldn't be too worried about it, even if I did live in Arizona. The wording of the law sets it up for failure because the language includes "annoy or offend", both of which can't be outlawed due to that little detail known as the first amendment. Any dimwit lawyer looking for a buck and some publicity could get this law shot down so fast it'd make your head spin.

In the U.S.? LOL! They'll be lining up for it.

Not only that, they'll be hiring agents to get them on all the talk shows as well.

Christ, U.S. law schools churn out lawyers like a flock of sheep churns out ****. You think not every single one of them dreams of getting a high profile case like that?

Mr Epeen

Ok, perhaps I should've made myself more clear, where are the places where such laws are even enforced? there are literally thousands of laws across the states that are so hilariously outdated but are never formally repealed, that simply gets left on the book, ignored and are never enforced.

And yea, you can flip the cop the finger, call him a mofo, and he just might find something to stick you with to harass you, but certainly not with a "oh noes he offended me!" charge, which will just get laughed out of the prosecutor's office.




and it's people like you who gives the rest of us responsible gun owners a bad name, just like that idiot Zimmerman. Stand-Your-Ground law is not meant to be used as a Lol-I'll-shoot-whoever-I-Want law.




I've looked, and frankly there's nothing I see that would suggest it's anything other than old statutes that are simply no longer enforced, for good reason.

Ummm...I don't own a gun. Never have. Never will.

You're saying "enforced" a lot now. That's a different matter. The murder statue in Texas wasn't enforced when Kennedy was murdered. So...that's a horse of a different color. Why, there's a boatload of immigration laws that haven't been enforced for decades, come to think of it.

And, you gun owners give yourselves a bad name. The law Zimmy is hiding behind is an NRA creation. They're trying to go nationwide with it. You can mischaracterize it as "shoot who[m]ever I want" but...the term was "afraid".

Thomas Jefferson said for this democracy to work it requires an educated voting public. Odd, eh?

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/arizona-bill-could-criminalize-internet-trolling-184547052.html

I hope none of us live there really.

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/arizona-bill-could-criminalize-internet-trolling-184547052.html

I hope none of us live there really.

I absolutely love how vague this law is. Doesn't have a chance in hell to stand up in a court of law, thank god! OMG! I said "Thank God", and I'm almost certain that would annoy or offend someone, somewhere. I'm totally a criminal in Arizona! I can understand what they're trying to get at, but really, their state legislature is made up of ******* idiots. This is pretty much the equivilent of saying "5 people drowned last year. So we outlawed all liquids".

Yea because living in the United States of America is "hard". Living here is the great and anyone that says other wise is either too lazy or too stupid to understand how great the US is.

I was borne and raised in Detroit, MI as a fat white kid. Growing up is not hard people, its called life. Ever had a gun put in your face because you have cool looking shoes and someone at school wants them? I might be a bit racist but I am "normal" as an adult if normal is working, having a house, cars and toys for the weekend, friends and family.

How can words hurt you? So what if someone is mean to you or does not like you? Put your head down, do what you go to do and move on with your life. Its not easy but who said it was easy?

Do you think bullying stops when you leave school? Yea right, dickheads are everywhere, end of story. Let's put this silly nonsense to rest and get back to internet spaceships and pew pew.

Life is too short to worry about stupid bully ****, have fun, live it your way and die, that is all that is required. That is what I have learned in 30 years on this planet with you other assholes.

US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place.

Yes, as if Europe doesn't already have similar laws in place. It's not enforced that much, but it's there and it's just as ridiculous.

And that's exactly what's wrong with the US: you think it's "normal" to have the threat of a gun shoved in your face on a daily basis.

You're right, the US IS a nice place to live if you have a shallow and materialistic personality. I left the US for this exact reason. Americans equate convenience with quality of life. Americans live in a hypothetical and theoretical world where the reality oftentimes differs greatly from said hypotheses and theories. Sure, we spout these catch-phrases like bleating sheep but in reality they mean nothing to the majority of Americans.

The fact of the matter is that the daily life in the US doesn't stand up to the principles on which it is based. People love to spout about how "free" you are when what they're really talking about is how cheap everything is. Americans like America because they can buy things, not because of it having such a great quality of life over other countries. You love the US because of Wal-Mart and convenience stores and cheap Ford Mustangs, not because it's such a great place to live. You think it's a great place to live BECAUSE of these things. If you had ever lived anywhere else in the world with a high quality of life for the entire population, you would see this.

If you want to be entertained constantly and need to constantly distract yourself from reality, the US is the place to be. If you want to live in reality where you can enjoy life without having to make at least six figures per year, then move to Europe.

I'm American, btw.

First would you care to say where I said it was "normal" have a gun put in your face daily? Oh right I never said that. I ask if growing up if you had to deal with what I had to deal with and even with everything I dealt with growing up did not stop me from being a "Normal" adult with a house, a job, few cars and toys for the weekend, good friends and great family.

Second, you are not an American, you do not live in America, you live in Europe, so you are no longer an American.

Third, I totally disagree with you. I love living in America because we have the ability to buy anything we wish with the only limitation being how much money you have and there is not limit to how much money you can earn. This is not true so much anymore but all it took to live a high quality of life in the US was a good work ethic and common sense.

So having cheap products for your citizens is not a high quality of life? How do you figure?

Lets not even go into how Socialism is working out for you guys in Europe. Socialism and communism are great on paper, not so good in practice. The reality is that living in America you earn your way, hand outs are not the norm like in EU.

I do not make six figures a year and I enjoy my life very much, I would not want to live anywhere else. The state grew up in, I could be at a beach and playing in the water in 20 minutes, how is that not a high quality of life?

Sorry, I love America and being an American. Sure our government is a bunch of corrupt greedy bastards that forgot what American once stood for but this is still the best country in the world to live in. I believe that 100%.