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SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries
Late Night Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:22:00 -
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If you had any idea how this stuff works, you'd know that it was a full day + 4 hours from when we could attempt to effect occupancy. It took us 28 hours to take the system from you, and I for one enjoyed every one of those minor plex fights - I think I was in on 43 kills in one afternoon.
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Darc Kaahar
Valkyr Industries
Late Night Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:30:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Capitol One wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Move there and flip it back. If your side wants it so bad, then move there, spend more time closing plexes, and then kick them out. TBH people don't care so much about the system as they care about the fights we got capturing it. As for the system flipping back to Minmatar side, gratz? I agree with you. Everybody won. There was a really cool fight at the end. I bet there were tons of cool plex fights along the way, and yet there are still complaints..... No we took it after 13 plexes of no fights. They took it a few hours after DT, which is not a great time for us, but seems they at lease got a few frig fights.
Personaly loath frigs so wont fly them. I also dont normally plex, but on the 3rd just formed the fleet expect someone would come kill me.
If anything Houla has shown that flipping a system should take more than 6 hours. Would be nice if a Dev working on FW would pop a note somewhere saying they see the issuse and are planning/have done something about it.
Look how ignorant you are. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
13
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:22:00 -
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Darc Kaahar wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Capitol One wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Move there and flip it back. If your side wants it so bad, then move there, spend more time closing plexes, and then kick them out. TBH people don't care so much about the system as they care about the fights we got capturing it. As for the system flipping back to Minmatar side, gratz? I agree with you. Everybody won. There was a really cool fight at the end. I bet there were tons of cool plex fights along the way, and yet there are still complaints..... No we took it after 13 plexes of no fights. They took it a few hours after DT, which is not a great time for us, but seems they at lease got a few frig fights.
Personaly loath frigs so wont fly them. I also dont normally plex, but on the 3rd just formed the fleet expect someone would come kill me.
If anything Houla has shown that flipping a system should take more than 6 hours. Would be nice if a Dev working on FW would pop a note somewhere saying they see the issuse and are planning/have done something about it. Look how ignorant you are.
Nice shades bro.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
60
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Posted - 2012.04.06 05:45:00 -
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Darc Kaahar wrote:You don't understand how it works.
Just sayin'
You do know who/what I am right? If you are a bit hazy on the subject then consult Sasawong .. the two of us were at it while you were still getting tubes inserted in your orifices prior to becoming a pod pilot!
Silence iKillYouu wrote:If it wasn't so dam fast u guys wouldn't of taken it to begin with.
It got taken by the amarr while latenight was offline.
U guys had to plan it for days we just logged in and took it the next day.
And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous SpeedGäó?
We (meaning everyone but us Euros  ) bitched and moaned about the DT shuffle focusing all the action in a 2-3 hour window every day .. exactly the same problem now except the window is determined by players, ie. whenever a TZ allows a blob/absolute superiority to be acquired.
Null didn't like station ping-pong and got an enema. Well I don't like system ping-pong .. where is my treatment? |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
Late Night Alliance
157
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Posted - 2012.04.06 08:19:00 -
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Why u mad bro?
http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
178
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Posted - 2012.04.06 09:04:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote:U guys had to plan it for days we just logged in and took it the next day.
Iol
Sry to tell you that taking Houla was not planned at all. I logged in, say a frig gang plexing in Kamela and undocked a Moa, opened a medium and they ran off after the minor was done. That pissed me off, so I went to Houla looking for a fight, thats how it started. The idea we planned it is so laughable.
I don't plex, why would I plan a fleet like that? Sure there was a small frig gang as well but when isn't there?
The entire time from starting the first plex in houla to the last plex, my fleet was no more than 7 people. Yes there was another fleet as well that made us look around 16 strong, but on our TS 7 dudes for 5 hours.
As for the fight, that was happens when you open your fleet to everyone, pop on amarr comms and tell people theres a bunker to shoot.
Not that W-BR don't plan stuff, we do. Flipping a system however isn't one of them. We've hardly ever plex bar the odd person. That may change but as of now, we in no way plan system flipping ops. We just dont give a **** about it. Atm.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
154
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Posted - 2012.04.06 13:16:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:
And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous SpeedGäó?
It's only one system out of 40 or so. Certainly it shouldn't take more than 40 days of nearly unopposed effort to conquer Amarr space?
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
Caldari State Capturing
162
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Posted - 2012.04.06 13:23:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:
And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous SpeedGäó?
It's only one system out of 40 or so. Certainly it shouldn't take more than 40 days of nearly unopposed effort to conquer Amarr space?
Bah, we bittervets remember the glory days of Caldari when we took 5 systems in a single day, with old mechanics. Though when we repeated the gallente standings bug/exploit (working as intended by Gallente CSM until we did, then it was exploit btw) on industrial scale Amarr took 6 systems in a day. Though I would not rank it on same category  |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
60
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:36:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:
And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous SpeedGäó?
It's only one system out of 40 or so. Certainly it shouldn't take more than 40 days of nearly unopposed effort to conquer Amarr space?
Unopposed for 3 hour sprints per system .. that is indeed waaaaaaaay too fast.
PS: Amarr started out with Gëñ50% the number of systems of all other parties despite being the bad-asses of the cluster .. not only that but the one score systems with Amarr sovereignty are like a merry-go-round where the other three have bottlenecks, killzones, escape routes et al. "built-in" (read: Amarr sucks balls geographically).
But 'meh' .. we'll be grinding EHP for occupancy soon enough so what the hell .. CCP has broken plexing 4 times already (twice by 'accident') and they have given no indication of knowing their heads from their asses with regards to FW so I'd wager whatever they introduce as a "fix" will break it even further/again.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
154
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:51:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:
And that doesn't strike you as being of Ludicrous SpeedGäó?
It's only one system out of 40 or so. Certainly it shouldn't take more than 40 days of nearly unopposed effort to conquer Amarr space? Unopposed for 3 hour sprints per system .. that is indeed waaaaaaaay too fast. PS: Amarr started out with Gëñ50% the number of systems of all other parties despite being the bad-asses of the cluster .. not only that but the one score systems with Amarr sovereignty are like a merry-go-round where the other three have bottlenecks, killzones, escape routes et al. "built-in" (read: Amarr sucks balls geographically). But 'meh' .. we'll be grinding EHP for occupancy soon enough so what the hell .. CCP has broken plexing 4 times already (twice by 'accident') and they have given no indication of knowing their heads from their asses with regards to FW so I'd wager whatever they introduce as a "fix" will break it even further/again. But it's not all that broken. Anyways, you know how to win Huola back. A measley one or two day "invasion" will no longer work. You'll need to live there, or break the the will of those living there to defend it. |
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Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
6
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:01:00 -
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No one really gives a **** who's name is in the top left corner. We did it for a nice fight (which was had by all parties).
To then take it back unopposed and claim a victory is rather sad.
We did it for the fight, not the **** swinging. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
Caldari State Capturing
162
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:30:00 -
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I think CCP made another unannounced "fix" to FW plexing with one of these recent patches (no, i'm not telling what they did).
I need to run few more tests and comfirm it, but if they really did, it will muck up plexing even more now. Go CCP |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
241
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:18:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:I think CCP made another unannounced "fix" to FW plexing with one of these recent patches (no, i'm not telling what they did). I need to run few more tests and comfirm it, but if they really did, it will muck up plexing even more now. Go CCP
*ding dong*
"paging hans to the csm front desk, thats hans to the front desk, we have a situation with fw, some ass you promised to kick for us needs kicking"
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
230
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:21:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:I think CCP made another unannounced "fix" to FW plexing with one of these recent patches (no, i'm not telling what they did). I need to run few more tests and comfirm it, but if they really did, it will muck up plexing even more now. Go CCP
Just remember: if it looks like something that might be considered an exploit (gives you unfair advantage, etc), petition it to a GM before using it and keep the reply if it states it's working as intended / not considered an exploit. That way, if someone petitions you for it later you have a thing to show that you reported it yourself and got told it's fine to use it. :) |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
60
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Posted - 2012.04.06 18:15:00 -
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If Damar is referring to that little nugget he mentioned earlier today then there is no *new* exploit, but there are some CCP asses in need of righteous kicking  |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
Caldari State Capturing
162
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:15:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:*ding dong*
"paging hans to the csm front desk, thats hans to the front desk, we have a situation with fw, some ass you promised to kick for us needs kicking"
Well, Hans didn't see it worthwhile to even acknowledge he received the explantion for "standings bug" I sent him so I dont see why he would bother with this one either, if he asked CCP about mechanic change. Not that CCP probably even knows their own game mechanics as they have repeatedly demonstrated in communication with GM's. Talking to a piece of wood would often times make more sense.
Edit: Yeah, Veshta, it's the nugget. So no exploit but significant change to plexing mechanics nonetheless. Not that I would reveal it here and give possible advantage to enemies. EM seems to think i'm stupid and assume they subscribe to "fair play". I have not forgotten how rude two of their players were back in 2009 (or was it 2010). Calling Caldari militia a bunch of exploiters right to my face and in person tends to do that. |
SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries
Late Night Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:43:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:No one really gives a **** who's name is in the top left corner. We did it for a nice fight (which was had by all parties).
To then take it back unopposed and claim a victory is rather sad.
We did it for the fight, not the **** swinging.
Amarr are the ones who made a big deal out of taking a system when no one was defending it. Just because we took a fight outnumbered and out gunned (out out ECM'd) doesnt mean you guys are 'all that'. It was an enjoyable fight with about an even spread of losses despite being outnumbered 2-to-1. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
7
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:35:00 -
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SigmaPi wrote:Salicaz wrote:No one really gives a **** who's name is in the top left corner. We did it for a nice fight (which was had by all parties).
To then take it back unopposed and claim a victory is rather sad.
We did it for the fight, not the **** swinging. Amarr are the ones who made a big deal out of taking a system when no one was defending it. Just because we took a fight outnumbered and out gunned (out out ECM'd) doesnt mean you guys are 'all that'. It was an enjoyable fight with about an even spread of losses despite being outnumbered 2-to-1.
Hardly 2-1 odds, and you had a blackbird, Falcon and 2x scorps prob about 3 less ecm boats than us granted but we didn't have 2 triage archons on field, we had a couple of scimi's......
This thread was started for the aknowledgement of the "GF".
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
207
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:27:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:SigmaPi wrote:Salicaz wrote:No one really gives a **** who's name is in the top left corner. We did it for a nice fight (which was had by all parties).
To then take it back unopposed and claim a victory is rather sad.
We did it for the fight, not the **** swinging. Amarr are the ones who made a big deal out of taking a system when no one was defending it. Just because we took a fight outnumbered and out gunned (out out ECM'd) doesnt mean you guys are 'all that'. It was an enjoyable fight with about an even spread of losses despite being outnumbered 2-to-1. Hardly 2-1 odds, and you had a blackbird, Falcon and 2x scorps prob about 3 less ecm boats than us granted but we didn't have 2 triage archons on field, we had a couple of scimi's...... This thread was started for the aknowledgement of the "GF".
Seems to me like it was a chest-beat. GFs can be exchanged in local, forum threads are for ego-boosts.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries
Late Night Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:28:00 -
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It was 93 - 41. Maths says more than 2-to-1. |
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
178
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:35:00 -
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I dont need my ego boosted thanks, it was merely a GF post in the vain hope you guys wouldn't be dicks about it and **** and moan and also come out saying was a nice scarp.
I guess civil convos with people expressing ones pleasure about a fight is a no no with the minnies. Noted, I would say you should work on that, but meh if ya wanna be dicks be dicks.
If your counting numbers 2 Triage Archons Vs 4 Scimis, 41 Minnies mostly BS VS 88 Amarr(MY FLEET COUNT) Mostly BC's.
It was a good fight, but you guys seem intent on spoiling that. Good job.
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Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
Late Night Alliance
157
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Posted - 2012.04.07 00:24:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:No one really gives a **** who's name is in the top left corner. We did it for a nice fight (which was had by all parties).
To then take it back unopposed and claim a victory is rather sad.
We did it for the fight, not the **** swinging.
Didn't want that system anyway
U mad
Go lay down
http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Number X8
T.R.I.A.D
Defiant Legacy
1
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Posted - 2012.04.07 00:32:00 -
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I for one enjoyed it very much.. Took over 300,000hp to bring my geddon down. Gf gf . |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
208
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Posted - 2012.04.07 06:00:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:I dont need my ego boosted thanks, it was merely a GF post in the vain hope you guys wouldn't be dicks about it and **** and moan and also come out saying was a nice scarp.
I guess civil convos with people expressing ones pleasure about a fight is a no no with the minnies. Noted, I would say you should work on that, but meh if ya wanna be dicks be dicks.
If your counting numbers 2 Triage Archons Vs 4 Scimis, 41 Minnies mostly BS VS 88 Amarr(MY FLEET COUNT) Mostly BC's.
It was a good fight, but you guys seem intent on spoiling that. Good job.
Okay, maybe if that was like 88 frigates. But double the #s, regardless BS v. BC is still pretty crazy, especially when you are approaching the triple digits mate. So you can go chill the **** out, lol.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
San Severina
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 06:44:00 -
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
Caldari State Capturing
162
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:49:00 -
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Just a random update on plex mechanics: I have now figured out how one can remove outpost style plexes (respawnable ones) from circulation and thus completely shut down any and all efforts of retaking or defending FW systems by simple virtue of making sure there are no plexes.
Gallentes have used this tactic a lot, such as Moira. and back then it was "working as intended" according to GM's though froggies used different mechanics (cloaking) to achieve this. I figured out a better mechanic. Let's see if CCP or CSM have interest to fix this one... |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2012.04.11 07:46:00 -
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I hope you posted it as a bug. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
178
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Posted - 2012.04.11 08:57:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:I hope you posted it as a bug.
working as intended |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
Caldari State Capturing
162
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Posted - 2012.04.11 09:36:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Uppsy Daisy wrote:I hope you posted it as a bug. working as intended
Indeed. Lots of people have also asked me how to trigger it (and thus make their lives easier) but since I am decent guy and believe playing by the rules most of the time, I have only revealed it to CCP (bug report), Hans (CSM) and two of my associates who shall remain unnamed right now.
Of course, there is great desire in caldari ranks to return the favor to gallente from the time they were happily preventing plex spawn with their own methods so I might just reveal it to known plexers in my militia to **** off a lot of people on the opposing side, who rightly deserve it. |
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