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Eluhaf
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Posted - 2008.11.04 23:46:00 -
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With the nov 11 announcment just did some testing on the latest SISI release to see what was new with missile spammers. I have to say that I was really surprised how much missiles were nerfed against small targets. I had heard that Cruise Ravens were a thing of the past, but didn't realize the extent. I mean a decently fit AF ( i would suspect to an inty as well) can tank them Ravens with Cruise or Torps with no problem, even under web.
Not sure how this works for shooting NPCs, whether the Raven has lost its vastly superior missioning capabiliites but given how invested people are in them don't see it changing for a while.
So if Raven become so vulnerable to fast AFs and inties, are we going to see a significant rise in empire wars to go after missioners?
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.04 23:52:00 -
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We'll certainly see an increase in Ravens (and every other BS) fitting heavy neutralisers. Most AFs don't tank, shoot or move that well with no cap.
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Seishomaru
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Posted - 2008.11.05 00:11:00 -
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9 in 10 mission runners are already unable to defend themselves. Because they focus on swearing and screaming like babies sin local instead of fight back. Nerfing their ships or not will change nothing.
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Yerotun
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Posted - 2008.11.05 00:16:00 -
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So, are you saying....No more easy mode on lvl 4's for you raven pilots? I am pretty sure YOUR main concern really lies in an AF orbitting you. If you were really that concerned with an AF in pvp, you would already have a neut fit, and some drones, either ew or neuting drones. amirite?
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.05 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 05/11/2008 00:23:41
 Originally by: Eluhaf
Not sure how this works for shooting NPCs, whether the Raven has lost its vastly superior missioning capabiliites but given how invested people are in them don't see it changing for a while.
Personally I don't think CCP or anyone else should care what people have specialized in for missions. Missions are the bottom end of Eve content, even though almost all of us non-trader/non-industry types rely on them for income. But tbh there are plenty of mission setups that don't involve missiles, so even if CCP did want to preserve peoples' mission-running abilities keeping missile boats the preferred ships of most mission runners wouldn't necessarily be a top priority.
Originally by: Eluhaf
So if Raven become so vulnerable to fast AFs and inties, are we going to see a significant rise in empire wars to go after missioners?
The missioners that **** people off are in NPC corps, so it's irrelevant, unfortunately. But Ravens and other battleships are already vulnerable to massed frigate swarms, T2 or otherwise, unless the frigate pilots all suck. You swarm with enough numbers and the battleship will go down eventually, heavy neuts or not. |
Eluhaf
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Posted - 2008.11.05 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
We'll certainly see an increase in Ravens (and every other BS) fitting heavy neutralisers. Most AFs don't tank, shoot or move that well with no cap.
the damage was so low, that I am pretty sure you coulf fit at least one of the AFs to perma tackle a Raven with no cap save the point.
And of course an inty with range bonuses for point could it as well. |
Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.11.05 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Eluhaf
WI mean a decently fit AF ( i would suspect to an inty as well) can tank them Ravens with Cruise or Torps with no problem, even under web.
So if Raven become so vulnerable to fast AFs and inties, are we going to see a significant rise in empire wars to go after missioners?
A turret bs has no chance in hitting afs as well, plus ravens have two utility slots that allow two medium energy neuts fitted. The cycletime of the medium neuts would prolly be enough to stop them scrambling. |
Blastil
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Posted - 2008.11.05 00:58:00 -
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Good. With the nerfs to heavy ship tracking we might see a return to swarms of lighter ships rather than swarms of BS. BS have their place as posbashers and anti-cap ship support. As it stands today I need to worry about a raven's cruise missles or torps in my AF because they will simply hose me. In order to fight a lighter ship, you should NEED a lighter ship. Maybe we'll see more AF and Inty pilots in 0.0 fleets these days...
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.05 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Eluhaf
So if Raven become so vulnerable to fast AFs and inties, are we going to see a significant rise in empire wars to go after missioners?
You say this as if you think it's currently difficult to keep a mission raven tackled with an inty or AF. It's not. They'll fight back even less, but it won't change anything.
What will change empire wars is the speed nerf as a whole. That will change all combat, though. Nothing to do with missiles.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.11.05 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eluhaf
Originally by: Malcanis
We'll certainly see an increase in Ravens (and every other BS) fitting heavy neutralisers. Most AFs don't tank, shoot or move that well with no cap.
the damage was so low, that I am pretty sure you coulf fit at least one of the AFs to perma tackle a Raven with no cap save the point.
And of course an inty with range bonuses for point could it as well.
I've done this alot against ravens in my small nos, fully armor tanked wolf.
Raven's with neut+light drones+Target painter+lots of missiles=ouch
Most BS's can kill an AF, but it takes a long time now. (Which is pretty fun in a AF)
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Seishomaru
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Posted - 2008.11.05 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Good. With the nerfs to heavy ship tracking we might see a return to swarms of lighter ships rather than swarms of BS. BS have their place as posbashers and anti-cap ship support. As it stands today I need to worry about a raven's cruise missles or torps in my AF because they will simply hose me. In order to fight a lighter ship, you should NEED a lighter ship. Maybe we'll see more AF and Inty pilots in 0.0 fleets these days...
that simply does not computer otherwise you would need ONLY light ships and the race would be for having ships smaller than enemy.
Yes big ships should have hard time hit small ships. But they should be near invulnerable to light weapons. No really, not tankning about tank. Talking about no matter how many t1 frigates they should deal ZERO damage to a dread hull for example.
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Cyb3r Thr3at
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Posted - 2008.11.05 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Good. With the nerfs to heavy ship tracking we might see a return to swarms of lighter ships rather than swarms of BS. BS have their place as posbashers and anti-cap ship support. As it stands today I need to worry about a raven's cruise missles or torps in my AF because they will simply hose me. In order to fight a lighter ship, you should NEED a lighter ship. Maybe we'll see more AF and Inty pilots in 0.0 fleets these days...
Oh.. I hope so!
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McTard
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Posted - 2008.11.05 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cyb3r Thr3at
Originally by: Blastil
Good. With the nerfs to heavy ship tracking we might see a return to swarms of lighter ships rather than swarms of BS. BS have their place as posbashers and anti-cap ship support. As it stands today I need to worry about a raven's cruise missles or torps in my AF because they will simply hose me. In order to fight a lighter ship, you should NEED a lighter ship. Maybe we'll see more AF and Inty pilots in 0.0 fleets these days...
Oh.. I hope so!
Guess what?
You won't have to worry about Cruise or Torps anymore. It'll be pulse boats with good tracking that'll hose you.
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XSarah
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Posted - 2008.11.05 02:28:00 -
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solo mission running is thing of the past, at least with cookie cutter raven --- lololol carebears got nerfed instead of PvPers, makes me laugh
Originally by: Eluhaf
With the nov 11 announcment just did some testing on the latest SISI release to see what was new with missile spammers. I have to say that I was really surprised how much missiles were nerfed against small targets. I had heard that Cruise Ravens were a thing of the past, but didn't realize the extent. I mean a decently fit AF ( i would suspect to an inty as well) can tank them Ravens with Cruise or Torps with no problem, even under web.
Not sure how this works for shooting NPCs, whether the Raven has lost its vastly superior missioning capabiliites but given how invested people are in them don't see it changing for a while.
So if Raven become so vulnerable to fast AFs and inties, are we going to see a significant rise in empire wars to go after missioners?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 04:30:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 04:33:42
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 04:33:01
Hey ;)
Yes, I think you'll be able to (probably) solo hunt for ravens and such at wartime. After all, it's high-sec, mission runners generally don't do PVP capable fits well.
Originally by: Blastil
Good. With the nerfs to heavy ship tracking we might see a return to swarms of lighter ships rather than swarms of BS.
Again, I've said it countless times, solo stats != gang situations.
BS gangs with 10+ people can trivially wade through equally sized (or larger for that matter) smaller ship gangs. On SISI, right now.
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