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Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Lana Lanee on 05/11/2008 14:42:33 QUOTE FROM THIS OFFICIAL GUIDE Quote: Gallente Gallente ships are mainly armor-tank, specializing in close range combat by using hybrid weapons and drones. They have reputed to create the most impressive damage when dealing with blaster weapons. k thx. now you are gonna say this is a former feature that is now a bug or what? FIX BLASTERS BACK!
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:43:00 - [2] End yourself -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:44:00 - [3] They're not doing anything to blaster damage. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Chimii Lecto Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:45:00 - [4] Caps is cruise control for cool. And the damage output for blasters remains unchanged. ---------- /Pretty Posting.
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Lana Lanee Edited by: Lana Lanee on 05/11/2008 14:42:33 QUOTE FROM THIS OFFICIAL GUIDE Quote: Gallente Gallente ships are mainly armor-tank, specializing in close range combat by using hybrid weapons and drones. They have reputed to create the most impressive damage when dealing with blaster weapons. k thx. now you are gonna say this is a former feature that is now a bug or what? FIX BLASTERS BACK! Name a non-Gallentan blasterboat that outdamages Gallentan one of same class _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Winterblink They're not doing anything to blaster damage. No it will still hurt if you hit, the difference is only that you wont hit anything anymore.
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:46:00 - [7] Edited by: Kalintos Tyl on 05/11/2008 14:49:54 Edited by: Kalintos Tyl on 05/11/2008 14:47:32 # Minmatar Minmatar ships are versatile (although Gallente can also be versatile by shield tanking in Eos or Myrmidon, dealing different damage with drones; the same is true for Caldari ships and their missiles), but at the same time difficult ships to fly well. They do a bit of everything: shield tank, armor-tank, missiles, drones and turrets. For turrets, they use projectile weapons with the variations "Auto-Cannon" and "Artillery". Minmatar ships are generally fast and agile, which makes them the perfect candidates for speed-tanking. Mealstorm: mass: 103,600,000 kg inertia: 0.12 speed: 94 m/sec Hyperion: mass: 100,200,000 kg inertia: 0.11 speed: 110 m/sec isnt something off ? Megathron: 98,400,000 kg 0.11 105 m/sec Tempest: 103,300,000 kg 0.105 120 m/sec Tempest was buffed to aprox mega agility in last build becouse mega was like 30% more agile. All hail galante whiners. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/lie.jpg guide ninja edited already
Jethro Jechonias Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Lana Lanee QUOTE FROM THIS OFFICIAL GUIDE Just so that you know, that "official" guide is no more authoritative than the player written guides found on the forums. Also, the fact that you think that blasters "suck" doesn't change the validity of the statement you quoted.
Another Forum'Alt	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:51:00 - [9] Nerf Amarr TBH. Nerf Zulupark. NOW.
Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:51:00 - [10] you can't expect to speed tank ALL ships as i don't expect all gallente ships to wtfpwn in dmg. BUT it's not about the DAMAGE MULTIPLIER on guns. nerfing tracking or giving others a better way to tank your damage, and ONLY yours is still a way to nerf it.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Winterblink They're not doing anything to blaster damage. No it will still hurt if you hit, the difference is only that you wont hit anything anymore. I'm pretty sure that you will if you prevent your opponent from moving too fast. The speed nerf will help you out there. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Winterblink They're not doing anything to blaster damage. No it will still hurt if you hit, the difference is only that you wont hit anything anymore. Which is a tracking and range issue, not a damage issue. Gallentean ships should still be (on paper) the most damaging but it's somewhat up to player skill to be able to maximize it in any given combat situation. Ofc, I'm still waiting to see shortrange weapons will do on TQ, blasters included, so we'll see. _____________________ The unofficial faceless Achura alt of EVE Online
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm pretty sure that you will if you prevent your opponent from moving too fast. The speed nerf will help you out there. Of course, except vs people preventing you from moving too fast into your range. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Winterblink They're not doing anything to blaster damage. No it will still hurt if you hit, the difference is only that you wont hit anything anymore. Which is a tracking and range issue, not a damage issue. Gallentean ships should still be (on paper) the most damaging but it's somewhat up to player skill to be able to maximize it in any given combat situation. Ofc, I'm still waiting to see shortrange weapons will do on TQ, blasters included, so we'll see. when it hits tq it will be too late. gg all blaster spec 5 for nothing. during that time i could have just trained all pulse specs to 4...
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Lana Lanee when it hits tq it will be too late. gg all blaster spec 5 for nothing. during that time i could have just trained all pulse specs to 4... Is there some sort of issue with testing it out on Singularity? I was under the impression these changes have been there for some time now for folks to test. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Lana Lanee when it hits tq it will be too late. gg all blaster spec 5 for nothing. during that time i could have just trained all pulse specs to 4... Is there some sort of issue with testing it out on Singularity? I was under the impression these changes have been there for some time now for folks to test. can't you see the 2948924 threads about blasters being way over nerfed on singu atm? we don't have that many zmg missiles are nerfed threads, and mission carebears outnumber blaster pilots... we tested, we gave feedback, it's still a crap situation for blasters. give blasters a 7-10k optimal, pulse 15, etc to scale it, but don't leave us at 2.5 with the insane tracking issues....
sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:08:00 - [17] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Winterblink They're not doing anything to blaster damage. No it will still hurt if you hit, the difference is only that you wont hit anything anymore. i havend felt the test server yet, but i can imagine it will be like a hyper with void :) that also doesnt hit :) --- Somebody needs a hug!
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:08:00 - [18] Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: Lana Lanee Edited by: Lana Lanee on 05/11/2008 14:42:33 QUOTE FROM THIS OFFICIAL GUIDE Quote: Gallente Gallente ships are mainly armor-tank, specializing in close range combat by using hybrid weapons and drones. They have reputed to create the most impressive damage when dealing with blaster weapons. k thx. now you are gonna say this is a former feature that is now a bug or what? FIX BLASTERS BACK! Name a non-Gallentan blasterboat that outdamages Gallentan one of same class scimitar - putting the gist back into logistics
Virgo I'Platonicus Ex Eventus Corpi	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Chimii Lecto Caps is cruise control for cool. And the damage output for blasters remains unchanged. As I read this, i heard the words in the sound of caprica 6 (bsg). Spooky... V. <3
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Free Ammatar Aid Organisation	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:13:00 - [20] My! What an excitable young exclamation mark he is.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Lana Lanee when it hits tq it will be too late. gg all blaster spec 5 for nothing. during that time i could have just trained all pulse specs to 4... Why is it too late? The EVE database certainly isn't chiseled into stone tablets, and well-supported complaints can certainly be addressed. _____________________ The unofficial faceless Achura alt of EVE Online
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:39:00 - [22] ummm just to mention the official guide is written by a third party and apparently has nothing to do with the game and in actuality your problem is most likly a bug and will be fixed within 48hours more to read on mmorpg.com
Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:47:00 - [23] what part of official you don't understand?
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Lana Lanee can't you see the 2948924 threads about blasters being way over nerfed on singu atm? we don't have that many zmg missiles are nerfed threads, and mission carebears outnumber blaster pilots... we tested, we gave feedback, it's still a crap situation for blasters. give blasters a 7-10k optimal, pulse 15, etc to scale it, but don't leave us at 2.5 with the insane tracking issues.... Of course I can see that, just checking that you're not just ranting for the sake of ranting without actually having tried the changes out first. Good on you. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Jethro Jechonias Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Lana Lanee what part of official you don't understand? What part of obsolete and irrelevant do you not understand? Would it make you happier to have that line removed from the guide? CCP's public documentation is notoriously out of date. I suppose that you will use the Item Database as grounds for arguing that webs should be have a 90% post-patch effect. CCP doesn't reference that guide when making game balancing decisions. Building your argument for boosting blasters on flavor text in a guide, "official" or otherwise is absurd.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:06:00 - [26] Originally by: FlameGlow Name a non-Gallentan blasterboat that outdamages Gallentan one of same class Typhoon
Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Jethro Jechonias Originally by: Lana Lanee what part of official you don't understand? What part of obsolete and irrelevant do you not understand? Would it make you happier to have that line removed from the guide? CCP's public documentation is notoriously out of date. I suppose that you will use the Item Database as grounds for arguing that webs should be have a 90% post-patch effect. CCP doesn't reference that guide when making game balancing decisions. Building your argument for boosting blasters on flavor text in a guide, "official" or otherwise is absurd. that was/is something part of how the game was conceived. if you change this it's like removing the launchers from caldari and adding only remote shield repair bonus to 50% of its ships. and i HATE to be forced to give this example, but maybe you understand the following analogy, seems to fit you. it's like making warriors in wow into a healing class...i hate myself right now btw
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Winterblink They're not doing anything to blaster damage. No it will still hurt if you hit, the difference is only that you wont hit anything anymore. Which is a tracking and range issue, not a damage issue. Gallentean ships should still be (on paper) the most damaging but it's somewhat up to player skill to be able to maximize it in any given combat situation. Ofc, I'm still waiting to see shortrange weapons will do on TQ, blasters included, so we'll see. I dont know if there is any player skill involved in hoping your opponent is an idiot.
Craleo Caldari Brotherhood Cartel	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Lana Lanee when it hits tq it will be too late. gg all blaster spec 5 for nothing. during that time i could have just trained all pulse specs to 4... Why is it too late? The EVE database certainly isn't chiseled into stone tablets, and well-supported complaints can certainly be addressed. It isn't? Then what creates the lag? BA-DA-BING BOOSH! Thank you, I'll be here all night! .
Jethro Jechonias Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Jethro Jechonias on 05/11/2008 16:22:48 Originally by: Lana Lanee that was/is something part of how the game was conceived. if you change this it's like removing the launchers from caldari and adding only remote shield repair bonus to 50% of its ships. and i HATE to be forced to give this example, but maybe you understand the following analogy, seems to fit you. it's like making warriors in wow into a healing class...i hate myself right now btw The up coming rebalance is nothing like either example. But there is no point trying to change your mind as you have decided that Blasters are now useless. If you don't want to use Blasters than don't. Your toy has been nerf'ed. Such is life. Suck it up and move on. It is up to you to decide if moving on means: finding new tactics, training for new weapons, or moving on to a new game.
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:30:00 - [31] Just tested on multiple corpies ships with my usual mega fit. Test rules: both start at 80k from eachother and get in range ASAP My Megathron 7x ion 1x large neut (caldari antimatter) 1x web, 1x disruptor, 1x 100mn mwd, 1x cap booster 2x 1600mm plate, 2x magstab 2x EANM 1x large repper 5x ogre 3x trimark I It deals about 751 dps at the right range with drones out. 3.6k OPT with 9.6k falloff (eft stats, ingame it was more like 12k that i stopped doing serious damage) Target ships Torp-raven (torps, mwd, point, buffertank) Typhoon (AC/Torps/neut, mwd, point, buffertank) Rokh (rail 80k opt, mwd, usual fleet fit) Gank Geddon (had 30k or something with the multispectral ammo, mwd, buffer tank i guess) Harbringer (40k opt, mwd, 64k buff tank) Results. The raven moved faster then i did, (and it did anyway for the last year+) it had more range (24k or so im figuring, skills dependant). It died, slowly because i barely stayed in range, but it died. (i was at 9% structure though >.>) The Typhoon moved slower probably because of the plates, i died wile he was halfway into armor (bastard had a neut, dropped cap/web and he ran out of my range and nuked me before i got back up) Rokh, the thing miserably failed at staying at range, even though he had a 90k chase advantage before i got there. Gank Geddon, i got owned far outside range that thing kicks serious DPS at nice range, i moved faster by 4m/s, just got into 14k when he popped me. The Harbringer, it moves faster, has a fat buffer tank that takes long to chew through and has a good 40-30k range. It was anything like a close call, he took me out before i got through the first 20% of his armor (got in range due luck i guess) Conclusion. Blasters work fine on the mega for the looks of it. I cant see any disadvantages i have on SISI that i currently dont have on TQ. Overall ALL the ships move slower, so most are affected by it in a balanced way. The Amarr ships have the obvious advantage due longer range ammunition, which they have on TQ already. Ravens are faster and have longer range with the nerf, which they already are on TQ right now. Rokhs have not been affected much. It's fairly logical i caught up with him, sniper BS dont run guns + MWD + tank that long without a cap booster. Didnt see much difference from TQ, although i found it stupid to engage a sniper with a blasterboat, seein i had to travel the 80k n all. The Typhoon has good AC range and good torp range. Depending on its fit it will go faster/slower then the average plated megathron, it deals around the same DPS, just depends how well the torps sync with the tank. For how i see it, nothing to whine about. My megathron works perfectly, im suspecting my Brutix and thorax to be the same. Yes longer range weapons have a itty whitty bit of a advantage, which is nullified by the fact that their still going about the same speeds as they used to, the numbers are just missing a 100m/s. For ****s and giggles, i bought and fitted a ishtar too. Is 2.4k/s bad? only 900m/s slower then on TQ atm. And i usualy dont even use polycarbons on them, the 400m/s increase i get out of it isnt worth the 60m. Ending words: CCP, nothing wrong with the upcomming speed adjustments for the looks of it, although could you add another Certificate please? The "We whine of the forums without a clue" medal. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Jethro Jechonias Edited by: Jethro Jechonias on 05/11/2008 16:22:48 Originally by: Lana Lanee that was/is something part of how the game was conceived. if you change this it's like removing the launchers from caldari and adding only remote shield repair bonus to 50% of its ships. and i HATE to be forced to give this example, but maybe you understand the following analogy, seems to fit you. it's like making warriors in wow into a healing class...i hate myself right now btw The up coming rebalance is nothing like either example. But there is no point trying to change your mind as you have decided that Blasters are now useless. If you don't want to use Blasters than don't. Your toy has been nerf'ed. Such is life. Suck it up and move on. It is up to you to decide if moving on means: finding new tactics, training for new weapons, or moving on to a new game. i wonder how many people would "move on to a new game" if they would move all l4 agents to low sec or make missiles useless in both pvp and pve. stop using arguments just to avoid the obvious. blasters were meant to do dmg. they stil ARE meant for that. HOWEVER, not being able to actually HIT a target that's not a POS seems kind of big to me. sure, i'll brag to everyone telling how much my neuts just hit the control tower for when my heavy electron cannons won't be able to track a friggin abaddon that's orbiting me with 200m/s at 3-4km away. npnp
Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Lana Lanee on 05/11/2008 16:37:15 Originally by: Deira Lenia Gank Geddon, i got owned far outside range that thing kicks serious DPS at nice range, i moved faster by 4m/s, just got into 14k when he popped me. that's what's wrong. you don't see that on TQ. i didn't anyway. Never lost to a gank geddon. EVER! and people say it's not an amarr buff. meh, should have started training faster.
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Lana Lanee Edited by: Lana Lanee on 05/11/2008 16:37:15 Originally by: Deira Lenia Gank Geddon, i got owned far outside range that thing kicks serious DPS at nice range, i moved faster by 4m/s, just got into 14k when he popped me. that's what's wrong. you don't see that on TQ. i didn't anyway. Never lost to a gank geddon. EVER! and people say it's not an amarr buff. meh, should have started training faster. Never fought a gank geddon before like this, but usualy if i go 1 vs 1 with a amarr BS i win, because of close range warp advantage. If you run the same situation on TQ right now, you would get the same effect, he had the range advantage from start of the fight. Me MWD'n in a nearly straight line wont help either. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Deira Lenia Originally by: Lana Lanee Edited by: Lana Lanee on 05/11/2008 16:37:15 Originally by: Deira Lenia Gank Geddon, i got owned far outside range that thing kicks serious DPS at nice range, i moved faster by 4m/s, just got into 14k when he popped me. that's what's wrong. you don't see that on TQ. i didn't anyway. Never lost to a gank geddon. EVER! and people say it's not an amarr buff. meh, should have started training faster. Never fought a gank geddon before like this, but usualy if i go 1 vs 1 with a amarr BS i win, because of close range warp advantage. If you run the same situation on TQ right now, you would get the same effect, he had the range advantage from start of the fight. Me MWD'n in a nearly straight line wont help either. true, you have a point. question though. what do you think the outcome would have been if you both started on 0?
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:53:00 - [36] Originally by: Lana Lanee Originally by: Deira Lenia Originally by: Lana Lanee Edited by: Lana Lanee on 05/11/2008 16:37:15 Originally by: Deira Lenia Gank Geddon, i got owned far outside range that thing kicks serious DPS at nice range, i moved faster by 4m/s, just got into 14k when he popped me. that's what's wrong. you don't see that on TQ. i didn't anyway. Never lost to a gank geddon. EVER! and people say it's not an amarr buff. meh, should have started training faster. Never fought a gank geddon before like this, but usualy if i go 1 vs 1 with a amarr BS i win, because of close range warp advantage. If you run the same situation on TQ right now, you would get the same effect, he had the range advantage from start of the fight. Me MWD'n in a nearly straight line wont help either. true, you have a point. question though. what do you think the outcome would have been if you both started on 0? I dont fly amarr often (cant do more then their cruisers atm) but for what i know their guns are useless at blaster range. I would have wtfbbqpwnd him to use Oveur terms. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:58:00 - [37] Something in addition that i did notice though. The webs leave ships with faster speed then on TQ currently, but didnt make much of a difference. Im more wondering if it now gets usefull to try things like faction webs/scramblers to add webrange and MWD shutoff at optimal gunrange. Although i forgot to check if the scrambler turns MWD's off on SISI atm. Im going to dig into those facts once i see the actual numbers infront of me, anything on SISI is to subject of change. As i use blasterboats alot i wanted to see beforehand >.< -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:08:00 - [38] Edited by: Leviathan9 on 05/11/2008 17:12:49 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 05/11/2008 17:10:11 Try using a gank mega setup, 7 neuts, 3 mag stabs, 2 plates, dcu II eanm II. With my skills i get about 1.3k dps with drones. you also get further range than Ions, plus with Null you get somewhat around 26km max range, and still over 1k dps.. just. Also tbh, gallente without a DCU is kinda fail. Swap over one of those EANM IIs for a DCU II, your overall ehp increases by quite a bit. As for your setup again, also change the guns, 3 ion IIs 4 neutron IIs, the range difference between the two doesn't have much effect, you do more dps also. Use Void, that gives you more dps also. ---------------------------
Jethro Jechonias Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Lana Lanee ...when my heavy electron cannons won't be able to track a friggin abaddon that's orbiting me with 200m/s at 3-4km away. Heavy Electron Cannons can track an Abaddon that is orbiting with 200m/s at 3-4km range, with no problem at all. Range might start to be an issue, but not tracking, so try pulling in a bit closer. If you meant Electron Cannons, tracking will be a bit more of an issue, but you are still on the up side of the tracking curve, and would be getting a greater chance to hit than the Abaddon. A Mega Pulse fitted Abaddon is still likely to out damage your Electron fitted Megathron/Hyperion, but that's because you are comparing the lowest teir of blaster with the highest teir of pulse laser.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Lana Lanee Edited by: Lana Lanee on 05/11/2008 14:42:33 QUOTE FROM THIS OFFICIAL GUIDE Quote: Gallente Gallente ships are mainly armor-tank, specializing in close range combat by using hybrid weapons and drones. They have reputed to create the most impressive damage when dealing with blaster weapons. k thx. now you are gonna say this is a former feature that is now a bug or what? FIX BLASTERS BACK! <Insert 48 hours notice comment here>
phanthom chancer	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Why is it too late? The EVE database certainly isn't chiseled into stone tablets, and well-supported complaints can certainly be addressed. Because it would most likely take CCP 1+ years to actually do anything about it.
Akechi Hideyoshi	Posted - 2008.11.05 19:34:00 - [42] Unbonused ship, all skills at 5: Heavy Pulse II, Scorch Range: 22 500 + 5 000 + 5 000 (32 500) Damage: 102.465 EM / 22.77 Therm ROF: 3.78s DPS: 33.1 Tracking: .07617 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null Range: 5 625 + 7 812.5 + 7 812.5 (21 250) Damage: 79.695 Therm / 66.4125 Kin ROF: 3.78s DPS: 38.7 Tracking: .09375 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage Range: 3 000 + 15 000 + 15 000 (33 000) Damage: 65.74836 Exp / 54.7903 Kin ROF: 4.05s DPS: 29.8 Tracking: .099

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